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Mojo61777

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I have a room that is four foot wide, six foot long and six foot tall. Foil lined and am looking to grow three to four plants. My budget is pretty much nonexistant. I have like fifty bucks to spend on a light system for this area. Im looking for the best light I can achieve with this budget. Something I can purchase from the local hardware store. The seeds I have are supposed to be alaskan thunder. Do these plants do good indoors? The first two plants I grew Im pretty sure I pulled well before maturity, they were frosting pretty good, well the tops were however the flowers were not dense or very big. Im sure this is from lack of light and over pruning, and messing with the lighting as well.
At any rate, this is hobby I intend on exploring to the fullest in time. I have loads of patience I just need some guidence. Anyone willing to share and or help will be greatly appreciated!:joint::hump:
 

djlifeline

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Get rid of foil and stick with plain White Walls. You might aswell save and invest in a hps. Don't waste money on anything else or will cost more overall.
 

JN811

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I shall help you.. Tin foil is bad. Get rid of it. You want dense buds its all about light, and containing that light. With a $50 budget you should buy this...


it cost me $16 at home depot. For three plants you want to get 3 of these set ups and i think ull be good. Mix red and blue spectrum lights, more red during flowering. Just improve the set up as you go along. Another big key is containing the light. Block the light and you will get better results.. Let me know if u have anymore questions..
 

Mojo61777

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I shall help you.. Tin foil is bad. Get rid of it. You want dense buds its all about light, and containing that light. With a $50 budget you should buy this...


it cost me $16 at home depot. For three plants you want to get 3 of these set ups and i think ull be good. Mix red and blue spectrum lights, more red during flowering. Just improve the set up as you go along. Another big key is containing the light. Block the light and you will get better results.. Let me know if u have anymore questions..
Okay, Im finally getting somewhere. My next question is this, the light pictured ar ewhat wattage? And what do I look for as far as spectrum? Are the lights labled? If you could give me specifics I will head to the store now. I have seed germinating as we speak amd am looking to have all bases covered.
 

JN811

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those are 27 watts, blue spectrum i believe 5000k. You're going to need plugs that go into an eletrical socket and then y splitters, which are couple dollars each. For veging blue spectum is the best, and for flowering red is the best. I use this for side lighting with my 400 watt hps which is red so i figured it would be good to get some blue spectrum light. Just ask the guy at the hardware store... Seriously, light is one of, if not the biggest factor that effects growth.. Dont skimp on it and get as many as possible if you want the best results..
 

JN811

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this is the best post you can read to understand lighting...
Things to know about lighting
Things to know about lighting
Color rating- Measured in Kelvin (K). The higher the number, the more bluish the light. 4000K-7000K is mostly on the blue side of the spectrum, while 3000K and under goes from a white spectrum, to a redder spectrum.

How much light is needed?
The minimum amount of light required by marijuana plants is around 3000 lumens per square foot. However, it's not 100% accurate, since although you may have a 10,000 lumen light, the amount of light that reaches the plant varies with the distance between the light and plants, and reflectivity of the grow box. The ideal amount is somewhere around 7000-10,000 lumens/sqft, and as long as the plants do not burn, as much light can be used as you want.
(*note, the sun produces about 10,000 lumens/sqft, on a sunny summer day).

Determining lumens for your grow area:
Determine the square footage of your area (example in a 4 foot by 4 foot area, there is 16 square feet)
If you have a 1000 watt High Pressure Sodium, that produces (approx.) 107,000 lumens.
Divide this by 16 (your square footage) 107,000 / 16 = 6687 lumens per square foot.
So just divide the total amount of Lumens, by the total amount of Sq ft, and thats your lumens per square foot.

How far away from my plants do the lights go?
The lights in your grow room should be as close as possible to the plants without burning them. There is no such thing as too much, unless there is sufficient heat to dry out and burn the leaves. A good rule is to put your hand under the light, if its too hot for your hand, chances are that the plants will be too, so move the light up until your hand feels more comfortable. For seedlings and clones, I keep them a little further away from the light, because they are very susceptible to burning and drying out, at these stages.

Efficiency is very important when choosing a type of light. The wattage is not the most important thing, as you can see below, different types of light produce different amounts of lumens per watt. A 300 watt incandescent will produce about 5100 lumens. While a 300 watt Metal Halide (just an example, they do not come in 300 watts), will produce 27,000 lumens. Obviously far more efficient for growing, while still using the same amount of electricity.

Approximate light production:
Incandescents: 17 lumens/watt
Mercury vapor: 45-50 lumens/watt
Fluorescents: 60-70 lumens/watt
Metal halide: 90 lumens/watt
High pressure sodium: 107 lumens/watt

Incandescent lights: Incandescents are the most popular type of lights in the world. They may come advertised as incandescent, tungsten, quartz, halogen, or simply standard. The important thing about incandescents is this: they suck.
There are some incandescents which are sold as 'grow lights.' They usually have a blue coating and usually come in 60W and 120W sizes. While they may seem like a good choice to new growers, they are next to useless; they produce some light at a usable spectrum, but only have about a 5% efficiency and generate more heat than usable light. Most of us have these in our homes right now. Don't use them for growing, instead opt for a Compact Fluorescent as a cheaper but more efficient alternative.

Fluorescent lights: Fluorescents are a lot more useful than incandescents. Their efficient enough, and cheaper than HID lights. Compact fluorescent tubes are popular with growers because of their good output to size ratio. Compared to standard 4' tubes, compact fluorescent bulbs are smaller, and more can fit into a given area. Fluorescents are good for small grows on a tight budget, and for novice growers, since they do not require any special sort of wiring or understanding of the necessary bulbs for a given fixture, and are very widely available.
Fluorescent lights come in many different Kelvin ratings; often the spectrums are labeled on packaging as being 'cool white' or 'warm white.' Cool white is more blue, and is good for the vegetative stages of growth, and warm white light is more orange or reddish, and is best for the flowering stage.

High Intensity Discharge (HID) Lighting Systems:

Mercury Vapor (MV)
Mercury vapor lights are not the most efficient light for growing. They are very bright, and relatively cheap. They do emit light at the wavelengths necessary to support your plants growth, but not nearly as good as a MH or Hps light. Much of the light emitted by MV lights is bluish-white. Street lighting is what most MV lighting is used for.

Metal Halide (MH)
Metal halide lighting systems are optimal for use in the vegetative phase of growing. They emit mostly blue light, which encourages vigorous growth of foliage. They are very efficient, but can get rather expensive to start with; fluorescents may seem more appealing because of their lower price, and they are not much different when compared on a lumen-to-lumen cost level. These lights can be used through-out the grow, but will most likely result in light, fluffy buds.

High Pressure Sodium (HPS)
High pressure sodium lights emit mostly orange, yellow, and red spectrum light, which is perfect for the flowering stage of the plants growth. They are (in my opinion) the most efficient type of light available for any application. HPS lights can be used through-out the entire grow. They produce more dense and usually larger buds than any other light.
HPS lights are generally a little more expensive than MH systems of similar wattage. They are more commonly used by experienced growers because of their ability to produce tighter buds, higher lumen-output-per-watt, and will produce from start to finish.

I'll also add this graph below, i hope this post helps some of you out.

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Mojo61777

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Okay, next question from the green horn. Im going to purchase a hps light. Again my budget is about fifty bucks. So im probably looking at something in the range of 100 to 120 watts. In all the reading I have done regarding hsp lights, Im concerned about the venting of heat. What do I have to do to set up a hps light? Do i need special wiring? Will this result in a fire hazord if set up incorrectly? This is what I have decided to go with. For the veg stage Im using 4 t12 40 watt plant tubes along with six 40 watt cool white cflo bulbs. Come flowering stage I will add to the set up a 120 hps light. What is the best way to incorparate this light to my grow? I need specifics please. I.E. type of wiring, venting if needed etc. I will be sure to keep the progress posted along with updated pictures to keep all my helpers updated!
 

JN811

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you cant set up a hps for $50, ive looked into it and its simply not possible..... and yes doing it yourself is definetly risky business... that is a very small ammount of light u plan to use for vegging... You are really better off doing it how i told you.. but if u do it the other way Id make sure you dont set ur place on fire!
 

JN811

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to buy a hps is at least $50 then you need a ballast which is another $25.. Get it from htgsupply.com for $66 plus s&h and you can avoid setting fire to ur place... its 150 watts, check it out..
 

JN811

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REDI JEDI 420

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COMPACT & POWERFUL!
16,000 lumens!
Best mini grow light on the market today!
Fits in very small spaces!
$66.95FLORALUX 150w HPS Mini Grow LightBest mini grow light on the market today! COMPACT & POWERFUL! 16,000 lumens! Fits in very small spaces! Comes complete with 150 watt HPS Bulb!
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