The Soil

Foolet

Active Member
Now, I plan on growing and after much reading I am starting off with the basics. I plan on buying soil later tonight and I keep hearing different stuff from different people. Now, I am probably buying it from either
A. A gardening place
B. Walmart
So could you tell me the best (Not to expensive) brand to get. Also, I hear stuff about getting a soil with ##-##-## what would be the best one for growing it from a seed. (I don't plan on using the wet napkin method.)

Also, my friend told me a halogen light would be good for growing yet I have seen things contradicting him. Is a Halogen light okay to use or will it make a big different from using a halogen light and a cfl light?
Thank you so much for the help. I did my research I just want to be 100% sure before I ruin my unborn baby.
 

Waggs

Active Member
Pretty sure halogen is a no no.

Too many soils to choose from. lol im using fox farms, i'd go with light warrior for seed starting then move it to ocean forest with a perlite mixed in.
 

Foolet

Active Member
Pretty sure halogen is a no no.

Too many soils to choose from. lol im using fox farms, i'd go with light warrior for seed starting then move it to ocean forest with a perlite mixed in.
Okay these would be available at walmart? or a regular smaller gardening store? The Halogen outputs 1370 lumens. It uses 90 Watts it says. Also, if halogen are a no no I have CFL's in my basement about 4 of them but the box has been thrown out so how could I tell if they will be enough? They seem to be just like a regular light bulb but windy no blue or any color like that just white.
 

Waggs

Active Member
if you are starting off with cfls get the 6400k spectrum grow bulbs 25 watt range. should be able to get them at any small gardening store or other places im sure. im lazy I just order everything hehe.

Keep reading on the site, there is an abundance of info right here at your fingertips! Best of luck!
 

Foolet

Active Member
I am trying to work with what I have would the halogen with the lumens I said work? Also I have cfl light bulbs but I do not know what "k" they are how can I tell? I have no package just the actual bulb
 

That 5hit

Well-Known Member
i use scott top soil
but mc would work but grower hate on it for som reason
just listin to your plant
most soil contain nutes so for the first 3-4 weeks you dont need nute
i would stay away from time released soil
but they do work great
you have to learn you nute




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cherry popping grow technic (get a few grows under your built before jumping into advanced cultivation, learn the basic)bongsmilie

a good location, soil, nutes, lights, and co2 can only take you so far
big buds and good yeilds are based on genes and growing skills


plant life is tipicaly
2wks-1month veg 24/0 or 18/6
2-3 month flower 12/12
4 months (maybe 3) all together from seed to cured smoke


everything can be found at any bigbox store

place seed in a cup of water
check every day untill you see seed crack and or tap root
then place in a 1in deep hole covered with soil, in a 1 gal pot full of soil
now get a digital thermometer, one with a temperature and a humidty gauge
maintain lights on temps of 70-80 (with co2 you can let it go as high as 95)
at lights off stay above 60. keep humidity around 40%-60% light on/off
when you see a sprout
place light (26 or 42 watt CFL with hood and clamp) over it keeping light as close as 2-4 in. as the plant gets bigger add more light (if you use mh or hps follow light distance guidelines, you'll find out more about them as you advance in you grow skill)
now time for veg growth
get a light with hood (and put it on an on/off timer set timer for 18/6
water plants ever 2-3 days or when soil is dry
after 2 weeks of just plain water introduce nutes at 1/4 strength, every other water
inrich air with co2 if you gat it (not needed if less then 6 plants, just open a window or pump in fresh air)
after 2wks too a months of vegging its time to sex and flower
tranpants to a 3-5gal pot
if still useing CFL's double or triple the amount of lights (the more light the more dence and bigger the buds will be)
set timer for 12/12 (depending on strain plants can double even triple in size (height) in this stage)
this will show sex and flower your plants, giving you smokable buds
keep the female's they grow white hairs
discard the males they grow grape like ball clusters (pollen sacs)
discard the hermi they grow both sex (re. if it has balls on it discard it)
give it 2 wks of 12/12 then increase nutes
lights will stay on 12/12 untill finish which could be 8-14 wks depending on strain dominates :
short plant with fat wide leaf = indacas = 8-10 wks,
tall plant with long skiny leaf = sativas = 10-14 wks
by far the best way to tell when the plant is ready to harvest is by looking at the trichome
you want to see about a 50% red to white ratio. you will need a minimum 30x zoom microscope (radio shack)
flush plant by feeding plain water for last 2 wks (improves taste)
cut, hang, dry 5-7 days
smoke
or
cure:
place in mason jars sealed tight for 12hr
open jar and take buds out and let dry for 30m - 1hr or untill dry
replace in jars
repeat this for 2wks to a month or untill buds nolonger become wet in jar after 12hr
now smoke
or
seal away for longterm storage

rules to a successful longterm grow
1. tell NOone
2. NEVER ever break rule 1
3. dont grow where you dont own
4. restrict weapons of any kind on property
5. be seen, but keep a low profile in community
6. suppress or eliminate odors emanating from grow room
7. pay your bills
8. descretly acquire & place items
9. descretly despose of waste
10. don't talk to the police. if caught tell them your name and ask for your lawyer. say nothing, sign nothing. sign nothing that says you said nothing. ask for your lawyer

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Foolet

Active Member
Wow very helpful post thanks. May I ask you do you think the halogens with the lumens I said work?
 

Foolet

Active Member
Just got 4 soft white compact fluorescent light bulbs each 3000k will that be good? I didn't disregard your post I already had the bulbs since you said 6000k can I put two 3000k to make up for one 6000k
 

Waggs

Active Member
Just got 4 soft white compact fluorescent light bulbs each 3000k will that be good? I didn't disregard your post I already had the bulbs since you said 6000k can I put two 3000k to make up for one 6000k
The 2700-3k soft white are more used for flowering stage. Im pretty sure you will want the daylight spectrum 6400-6500k for veg state.

The numbers are the wavelength of the light and two 3000s do not equal 1 6000.

Im just a noob too but I got the right type of lighting for my situation. If you are serious about your grow, you might wanna do the same :) Good luck!
 

Foolet

Active Member
Okay, I value your opinion but I just want to be sure can anyone confirm that I cannot use two 3000k to equal one 6000k if it's aimed at the same plant?
 

freddog23

Active Member
halogens are not good grow lights. they get way too hot you will kill ur plants. as for soil i have found that miracle grow seed starting mix works really good and its like 4 bucks for a 8 quart bag. ONLY SEED STARTING MIX. dont use the potting soil mix. trust me it sucks.i have had great results with the seed starting mix. as for the potting soil it has too much bark and is too heavy for your seeds to sprout thru. Aso make sure that it stays moist until they sprout. its very light mix and dries pretty fast when using HIDs. you will then have to switch to a different soil, but is a cheap start to get your plants started.
 

baddfrog0221

Active Member
i have found that miracle grow seed starting mix works really good and its like 4 bucks for a 8 quart bag. ONLY SEED STARTING MIX. dont use the potting soil mix. trust me it sucks.i have had great results with the seed starting mix. as for the potting soil it has too much bark and is too heavy for your seeds to sprout thru. Aso make sure that it stays moist until they sprout. its very light mix and dries pretty fast when using HIDs. you will then have to switch to a different soil, but is a cheap start to get your plants started.
I'm actually a week into a method like this one. Never use halogens as far as I am concerned. Buy Fluorescent lights in the cool white or full spectrum range for your early growth and vegetation. You will need to make sure you cover the needed lumens required for the size of your grow operation. I'll break down mine for yhou so you have a base line 80W fluorescent = 7500 - 10000 lumens. Your lumens will be determined by your wattage. Remember they're weeds they love sun give them what they want and lots of it and you'll be fine. Also NO HALOGEN OR INCANDESCENT only Fluorescent, Metal Halide, High Pressure Sodium or the sun. And pick one and stick with it plants don't like lots of sudden changes in their lighting. Hope I can help and good growing.:blsmoke:
 

DocGreen420

Member
I have 4 white compact cfl flurescent lights but there 3000k :(
Ok bro you can keep your 3000k but you will need daylight=6500k bulbs for vegging I would suggest if I may Use one 65W true wattage equals-300W and gives off a true 4100 lumens and add maybe 1 or 2 of your 3000k bulbs . Get them at Home Depot or you can use a method I showed you earlier in your other post. Lumens dont add up either you cant take (2)1700 lumens and and get 3400lumens it doesnt work out that way not with cfls the lumens break down to readily before they hit the plants surface. Search for that if you dont believe me, Get you a light meter to. Oh i almost forgot to ask what watt are your current bulbs?
 

GanjaFresh

Active Member
Aahaha, walmart thats where I started from. Alright, well my first grow was with Schultz Professional Potting Soil Plus. It was a decent soil and a decent grow in fact, it had some nutrients already included but along with the soil, I would recommend getting some extra perlite because it does a bad job of draining the water sucessfully.

 
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stoned88911

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Okay, I value your opinion but I just want to be sure can anyone confirm that I cannot use two 3000k to equal one 6000k if it's aimed at the same plant?


Those are the color spectrum of the light, not the light brightness or anything.
6000k has more blue spectrum (good for veging) and 3000k is more of a red light(good for flowing)
so putting 2 3000k lights would just mean you have double the red spectrum light, not any blue light spectrum.

so no, it wont make it 6000k. Hopes this helps
 

Oldreefer

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2 -3000k does not make it 6000k....
I've used miracle grow (reg) successfully, also MG organic and also fox farms OF.....proper watering is very important with any soil with nutes built in....
I agree that halogens aren't for growing......
Most cfl will state their color temp somewhere on the package. I use a mix of cfl 6500 with 2700/3000 etc.....Also floros "sunlight" do ok too.
READ, READ, READ.....
 
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