Blue Cheese, PPP, Thai SS...Jerry's Second Grow

[SL2]

First, don't freak out and pull the plant out of her dark cycle. 10 hours won't make that much difference.

Second, have you been feeding heavily? Do you periodically give reduced strength or water-only feedings?

Some plants are just more sensitive to nutrients. On the first LSD run I had 1 cola that developed some clawing while the other two were perfectly normal.

Is your plant the same phenotype as the others? In other words, are they clones of each other or are they different plants from seed?

Also, refresh me on what nutrients you are using...I can't remember off the top and don't feel like looking it up.

I don't think you have a lockout situation, so I'm not sure I would "flush" with epsom salt. You're probably best off just giving it a heavy water-only feeding as opposed to a flush. The difference being a traditional flush uses 3x the amount of water as the pot size...a 1 gallon pot requires 3 gallons of water, a 2 gallon pot requires 6 gallons, 3 gallon pot requires 9 gallons water etc. That is a bit overkill, and will strip all the nutrients from your soil, which will really create problems.

If you think you're having a salt buildup problem, just give a heavy watering of maybe 1 gallon water per 1 gallon soil or even a little less. Just for reference, when normally feeding it is recommend to give 1 quart nutrient solution per 1 gallon soil as a rule of thumb. So 1 gallon water to 1 gallon soil will still help clean out the medium without removing all the nutrients.

Having said all that, your answers to the first couple questions dictate what course of action should be taken, as I don't know all the circumstances surrounding your situation.

Once they claw though, they will not be flattening back out...ever...so you'll have to look to the new growth for improved health. It's not a huge deal though, and I wouldn't get too worked up about it. Realistically you can just decrease the overall amount of nutrients that the affected plant receives (by diluting the nutrient mix a little with extra water) and that should bring you back down to where it should be.

Im cool, I just didn’t know if this was something I need to jump on asap. I saw you online so I was hoping to catch you!

Here is what I have going on. A little nute comparo with Fox Farm and Dyna Gro.
FF : BB1, SB1 and the LSD1 with the claw
DG: BB2, SB3, LSD2, KB and RD
All plants are from seed. They are fed / watered every other day, I give straight water every other feed. I give them 42 to 48 oz and they are in 2 gal smart pots. Sounds like I need to give them more. Not sure if they would hold 64 oz. I have been giving them veg nutes with the flower nutes to see if that would help with the early yellow leaves I had last time. Might be too much and need to cut it back.

Im sticking with just the basic nutes this grow. No nuclear grow food this time. Want to buy some beasty, open sesame and cha ching? lol

The other 2 on FF show no signs of claw. The other LSD is on Dyna Gro and looks great just not as green. All the DG plants are less green than the FF plants.

I would have thought the BB would be the one to have issues from what I read about their sensitivity.

I can live with the claw, its just a plant but it just would be a shame to loose her now. She has some nice bud forming.

This morning was water only so Ill see how it looks tonight when the lights come on.

Thanks for the info and tips Jerry. Didnt know that rule of thumb for watering. I really appreciate it…

 

[goofygolfer]

looking good jerry those buds look tasty .that's gonna be some fire

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Im cool, I just didn’t know if this was something I need to jump on asap. I saw you online so I was hoping to catch you!

Here is what I have going on. A little nute comparo with Fox Farm and Dyna Gro.
FF : BB1, SB1 and the LSD1 with the claw
DG: BB2, SB3, LSD2, KB and RD
All plants are from seed. They are fed / watered every other day, I give straight water every other feed. I give them 42 to 48 oz and they are in 2 gal smart pots. Sounds like I need to give them more. Not sure if they would hold 64 oz. I have been giving them veg nutes with the flower nutes to see if that would help with the early yellow leaves I had last time. Might be too much and need to cut it back.

Im sticking with just the basic nutes this grow. No nuclear grow food this time. Want to buy some beasty, open sesame and cha ching? lol

The other 2 on FF show no signs of claw. The other LSD is on Dyna Gro and looks great just not as green. All the DG plants are less green than the FF plants.

I would have thought the BB would be the one to have issues from what I read about their sensitivity.

I can live with the claw, its just a plant but it just would be a shame to loose her now. She has some nice bud forming.

This morning was water only so Ill see how it looks tonight when the lights come on.

Thanks for the info and tips Jerry. Didnt know that rule of thumb for watering. I really appreciate it…

No worries. The plant will be fine...it's not going to die because I call it the "death claw"...that name is a bit misleading. The plant will be fine, it will still bud fine and produce good smoke...the leaves will just be clawed.

I would definitely start watering with higher volume and less frequency. 2 gallon pots (smart pot? wtf is that?) should be able to go 3 or 4 days between waterings no problem.

The key to watering soil in pots is to do it slowly and controlled, focusing around the base of the stem. This maximizes absorption and minimizes premature runoff, which means you can prevent wasting of water/nutrients.

What this will mean, however, is you won't need to give water-only feedings as often, if at all. You will be better served giving reduced-strength feedings between normal strength feedings. This is because you don't want to starve plants by going 8 days between nutrient applications (assuming you gave a feeding then 4 days later water-only, it would be another 4 days until they were fed) and then trying to make up for it by overloading when they are fed.

I hope that kind of makes sense...it does in my head.

Also, don't buy the beastie blooms, cha ching, or open sesame. They are 1) expensive 2) unnecessary and 3) incredibly out of whack (in terms of NPK) to what the plant needs. You could grow very successfully using the main 3 Grow Big, Tiger Bloom, and Big Bloom.

Personally, I would go easy with the Tiger Bloom, as it substantially lowers pH (to like 4 lol) and has a bit too much P. You'd be better continuing with the Grow Big at around 3/4 strength and using only 1/4 strength of the Tiger bloom. I think they recommend 1 tbsp per gallon, so 3/4 tbsp grow big and 1/4 tbsp Tiger Bloom would be good. Adjust as needed, but never go above 1/2 strength with the Tiger Bloom...less is more with that stuff.

And use the Big Bloom. I never use 4 tbsp per gallon, but at least 2, sometimes 3 is good.

 

[warisnottheanswer]

dam that bud is lookin yummy jerry great job!

 

[SL2]

No worries. The plant will be fine...it's not going to die because I call it the "death claw"...that name is a bit misleading. The plant will be fine, it will still bud fine and produce good smoke...the leaves will just be clawed.

That’s a relief. I thought it was terminal if not corrected! lol

I would definitely start watering with higher volume and less frequency. 2 gallon pots (smart pot? wtf is that?) should be able to go 3 or 4 days between waterings no problem.

Smart pots are cool and I noticed better growth than the 2 gal plastic pots I used last grow. They are made from fabric and air prunes your plants creating a more fibrous root structure. The LACxS male I pulled had a perfect root ball in the shape of the pot. No soil fell off other than the top. I could hardly tear the ball apart It was SO full of tiny roots everywhere.

http://www.smartpots.com/

The key to watering soil in pots is to do it slowly and controlled, focusing around the base of the stem. This maximizes absorption and minimizes premature runoff, which means you can prevent wasting of water/nutrients.


I do water slow and get some runoff in the saucer but the plant sucks it back up. I need to try that for sure. It would be better for me to water every three or four days instead of every other day.

What this will mean, however, is you won't need to give water-only feedings as often, if at all. You will be better served giving reduced-strength feedings between normal strength feedings. This is because you don't want to starve plants by going 8 days between nutrient applications (assuming you gave a feeding then 4 days later water-only, it would be another 4 days until they were fed) and then trying to make up for it by overloading when they are fed.

I hope that kind of makes sense...it does in my head.
That makes a lot of sense.

Also, don't buy the beastie blooms, cha ching, or open sesame. They are 1) expensive 2) unnecessary and 3) incredibly out of whack (in terms of NPK) to what the plant needs. You could grow very successfully using the main 3 Grow Big, Tiger Bloom, and Big Bloom.
I used a little of the cha ching on the WW and I could hear the leaves sizzling in the cabinet! That’s why they are for sale! lol

Personally, I would go easy with the Tiger Bloom, as it substantially lowers pH (to like 4 lol) and has a bit too much P. You'd be better continuing with the Grow Big at around 3/4 strength and using only 1/4 strength of the Tiger bloom. I think they recommend 1 tbsp per gallon, so 3/4 tbsp grow big and 1/4 tbsp Tiger Bloom would be good. Adjust as needed, but never go above 1/2 strength with the Tiger Bloom...less is more with that stuff.

And use the Big Bloom. I never use 4 tbsp per gallon, but at least 2, sometimes 3 is good.

I noticed when I added nutes my ph dropped to 5 so you are right on.
I think that’s the amount sogrow uses and his plants are killer.

Thanks Jerry for helping a newbie dirt farmer fine tune his technique…

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Hope you've got a pipe handy, because this is going to take a minute...

Chiesel

Trainwreck clone. Only flowering for a week....maybe.

Oldest trainwreck.

Chiesel 2

OG18 Skunk

Power Kush

Ugly Sleestack Skunk

LSD

Larger LSD

Jack the Ripper

Trainwreck

LSD

 

[goofygolfer]

yikes jerry o mg wtf and anything else i can think of .Mr. Ganja King my new nickname for you .thats amazing .


kiss-ass

 

[farmer2424]

HAHAHA. you cease to amaze me jerry, your the fuckin shit. And that must be one stinky ass room

 

["SICC"]

Everything looks great, i have been hearing alot of good things about that LSD strain, looks so damn good

And that Chiesel looks amazing, when will the next chop be?

 

[Jerry Garcia]

yikes jerry o mg wtf and anything else i can think of .Mr. Ganja King my new nickname for you .thats amazing .

Thanks goofy...each day gets a little better...

HAHAHA. you cease to amaze me jerry, your the fuckin shit. And that must be one stinky ass room

Yeah, the smell is actually pretty minimal with my high-velocity fan/carbon scrubber combo. But I get the full effect when they come out for inspection each day or so...

[QUOTE="SICC";3885424]Everything looks great, i have been hearing alot of good things about that LSD strain, looks so damn good

And that Chiesel looks amazing, when will the next chop be?[/QUOTE]

Everything you hear about the LSD is true...well, except the trip-like high...I never really had any experience like that.

But it will get you pretty fucking stoned. And it smells and tastes just fantastic. Highly recommend.

The next chop will probably be in the next week or so, and it will probably be the Chiesel. She is still pushing out new growth, and I don't see any amber trichs yet. I felt I harvested a touch early with the last batch of Chiesel...so I'm going to be sure i wait the full time this round.

The LSD is getting close though, but she is still pushing out TONS of new growth...which is cool with me...she can take her sweet time finishing up too.

 

[mared juwan]

I think I soiled my jammies on this one

 

[Jerry Garcia]

OK, so I was inspecting the Chiesel yesterday, and I found some BANANAS growing out of the big buds. Each had a small bunch of 3 bananas which I removed carefully using tweezers. I inspected the rest of the plant and found nothing, but needless to say I'll be keeping a closer eye on her until harvest...which should be happening in 1 week...maybe next friday...?

Otherwise, everyone is doing great. I'm a little worried the vegging plants will get too tall if I don't flower them soon, so I may just switch the timer to 12/12 in the VEG room and get the flowering ball rolling on those girls...

 

[Jerry Garcia]

On a totally unrelated note, my buddy got some Blue Moonshine the other day, and I picked up a bit off him. This stuff is freaking awesome. He also had some OG Kush, which was good, but the Blue Moonshine blows that shit away!

If only I could justify spending $200 on 1 strain...

 

["SICC"]

Damn sorry to hear about banana's, wonder what caused them, hope you get em under control.
Blue Moonshine is legit, I remember when i first smoked it, blew my damn socks off lol
200 is alot of cash tho

 

[Jerry Garcia]

[QUOTE="SICC";3897047]Damn sorry to hear about banana's, wonder what caused them, hope you get em under control.
Blue Moonshine is legit, I remember when i first smoked it, blew my damn socks off lol
200 is alot of cash tho[/QUOTE]

The plant certainly hasn't been stressed...I think it actually happened on the first run with the Chiesel too, because I found a couple immature seeds and I couldn't figure out for the life of me where they came from.

I removed the ones I saw, and I don't expect to see anymore, though I check all the plants pretty well every day or so. It's all good though, she's looking good.

And yeah, I'm gonna put some of this Blue Moonshine away and try to forget about it for a while. I love finding stashed bud that I forgot I stashed...lol...

 

[Babs34]

The plant certainly hasn't been stressed...I think it actually happened on the first run with the Chiesel too, because I found a couple immature seeds and I couldn't figure out for the life of me where they came from.

I removed the ones I saw, and I don't expect to see anymore, though I check all the plants pretty well every day or so. It's all good though, she's looking good.

And yeah, I'm gonna put some of this Blue Moonshine away and try to forget about it for a while. I love finding stashed bud that I forgot I stashed...lol...

Nice little party cup grow you have going on there. I put some in some cups and it turned out to be waste of time.

.....very artistic.

..........that's what it's ALL about right there.
Nice green thumb Jerry.

Blue Moonshine? Never even heard of that strain.

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Nice green thumb Jerry.

Blue Moonshine? Never even heard of that strain.

Thanks. It's getting better all the time, better, better, ahhhhhh...(sorry for the lame Beatles reference, but I love me some Beatles).

Blue Moonshine is a DJ Short strain. You can look it up on attitude.

 

[SotaFats]

Hey Jerry, Awsome thread. Beautiful plants. The 16oz party cup OG18 is amazing! Love the super cropping! I might have to try that sometime.

Questions: The pics from 3-9-2010, are those White pots dimensions; 3gal 10.5”? How tall is the Chisel in that white pot from the floor up? And how tall in the Larger LSD?

Thanks for the incredible bud PORN!!

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Questions: The pics from 3-9-2010, are those White pots dimensions; 3gal 10.5”? How tall is the Chisel in that white pot from the floor up? And how tall in the Larger LSD?

Thanks for the incredible bud PORN!!

Thanks for dropping by. The white pots are 7" square and 9" tall, which holds somewhere around 1.5 gallons of soil.

From the floor to the top of the plant, the Chiesel is probably ~3 feet. The larger LSD is probably closer to 3.5 feet. I'll try and get a ruler next to them for scale when I take pics next...possibly tonight/tomorrow morning.

After checking the trichs again this morning, I've decided the Chiesel is ready for the chop. The LSD's are both close behind...I'll probably end up cutting the 2-cola LSD tomorrow and the fat-cola LSD friday, or something to that effect.

Gonna be a busy few days of trimming and smoking scissor hash. Which reminds me, I'll also be making another round of bubble with my sprung bags...probably this weekend while I watch basketball...GO BUCKEYES!

 

[Evil Buddies]

Hey jerry that moonshine sounds like its the one would love to taste some of that shit.

I just got my cuttings 3 lemon skunk and 3 bubba kush took a couple of pics of the lemon skunk for you to have a look. Its been a year since my last grow and so glad to be back up again.

Im germing some of my own strain the Evils Haze will have some of them growing will send u the link to my grow journal once im up at running. Keep those pics coming jerry they looing lovely.

Evil