NUBE HERE !!! Help Appreciated

[BeginnersLuck]

interesting,


so the buckets are 2 gallons?



how tall you planing to grow the plants. I would check around to see if 2 gallon pots are big enough for what size plants. i usually heard it should be 5 gallon buckets but thats to grow large plants i guess.

My research has showed that the 2 gallon pots should be fine... I can upgrad my pots for like a fifty dollar investment and a trip to the hardware store... I was gonna try this in future grows...

With my GIANT cubes on their and the top two gallon bucket with the 2 inches below the surface I figure there should be alot of room for root growth... I am planning on flowering them ASAP... Meaning as soon as they have the structural integrity to proceed with that... This is a learning one I guess soo...

 

[Big P]

hell ya man


doin better than my first one,


picture yourself getting them good and then flowering for 4 weeks

only to kill them all before any were even smokable


man that was a dark dark day



now im sittin on bricks

 

[BeginnersLuck]

hell ya man


doin better than my first one,


picture yourself getting them good and then flowering for 4 weeks

only to kill them all before any were even smokable


man that was a dark dark day



now im sittin on bricks

Very Nice.. Its gotten around here that people are selling BS for 50 dont know what kind is.. or sensi or dro... My friends and I are all pulling are hair out.. My position got eliminated on dec 11th so I was like okay I will try to help us out... Here I am... I am posting new pics of the yellowing and burn I am seeing.. Your input would be appreciated..

Thanks..

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Here are pics I just took... some of the plants have like I mentioned begun to burn/yello or curl a bit in the last 24 hours..

Thanks...

 

[potroast]

Well, I think you've got a good idea about your problems, but I'll confirm a few things.

You had too much light, 2K watts over a 4x4 with small plants. I'm surprised they didn't fry.

You water too long and too often. Small plants don't drink much, and those 6-inch cubes hold a lot of water. I would drip into them only once a day. I don't understand how you could have algae growth if you use H2O2. Drizzle some H2O2 water into your cubes, and the algae will die off. Then always cover your wet media so it doesn't grow back. This will also protect the roots that emerge from the bottom.

Now in your bucket system, the big cubes will have to put roots down into the rocks, and you will have to veg long enough for that to happen. It would be wise to pour through the cubes once or twice a week, too.

For basic rez maintenance, top off with plain water between changes. Always maintain the same water level in the rez, and don't react to changes in PPM. The pH and PPM will fluctuate normally, just keep them in a range.

The damage that has happened to your foliage will not disappear. Inspect the new growth at the top of the plants to check current growing conditions. You are killing your girls with kindness, once you make any changes, the plants will slowly react over the next week.

You're doing fine, and you will harvest some nice girls.

Have fun!

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Sweeeet the Potroast !!!!

Well, I think you've got a good idea about your problems, but I'll confirm a few things.

Thanks, and thanks for the community members that have helped me

You had too much light, 2K watts over a 4x4 with small plants. I'm surprised they didn't fry.

Right now the plants have been transplanted and are on the floor they are spread out and the room is 6.5x8.5. I have the MH come on at 6 am and off at 6 pm then I have the HPS come on at noon til midnight so for 6 hours there is still 2 k burning... to much or okay now with the offset and spread?

You water too long and too often. Small plants don't drink much, and those 6-inch cubes hold a lot of water. I would drip into them only once a day. I don't understand how you could have algae growth if you use H2O2. Drizzle some H2O2 water into your cubes, and the algae will die off. Then always cover your wet media so it doesn't grow back. This will also protect the roots that emerge from the bottom.

because the way I am setup now I cant cover my media with hydroton I have the 6 inch tops though for the rockwool I can apply that after getting some more H202/water mix on there. I didnt keep them covered because I wanted them to air out more?!?

Now in your bucket system, the big cubes will have to put roots down into the rocks, and you will have to veg long enough for that to happen. It would be wise to pour through the cubes once or twice a week, too.

The cubes are definetly rooting into the clay now.. The roots are going nutso I looked at one and it is really spreading alot of weblike looking shit outa the roots.. So you mentioned 1-2 x week watering through the top, just to buffer the PH and help stimulate the roots?

For basic rez maintenance, top off with plain water between changes. Always maintain the same water level in the rez, and don't react to changes in PPM. The pH and PPM will fluctuate normally, just keep them in a range.

What do you mean by this... If my res was at 200 and then I see new yellow/curl/burn and I check the PPM and its at 300 I shouldnt worry, or if my PH is up to 6.2 in the res dont add any PH down? Kinda confused on that...

Also is two waterings a day for 15 minutes in the ebb and grow to much? Thats what I am currently doing...

The damage that has happened to your foliage will not disappear. Inspect the new growth at the top of the plants to check current growing conditions. You are killing your girls with kindness, once you make any changes, the plants will slowly react over the next week.

You're doing fine, and you will harvest some nice girls.

Have fun!

Thanks for the confidence.....

 

[cazador]

Well, I think you've got a good idea about your problems, but I'll confirm a few things.

You had too much light, 2K watts over a 4x4 with small plants. I'm surprised they didn't fry.

You water too long and too often. Small plants don't drink much, and those 6-inch cubes hold a lot of water. I would drip into them only once a day. I don't understand how you could have algae growth if you use H2O2. Drizzle some H2O2 water into your cubes, and the algae will die off. Then always cover your wet media so it doesn't grow back. This will also protect the roots that emerge from the bottom.

Now in your bucket system, the big cubes will have to put roots down into the rocks, and you will have to veg long enough for that to happen. It would be wise to pour through the cubes once or twice a week, too.

For basic rez maintenance, top off with plain water between changes. Always maintain the same water level in the rez, and don't react to changes in PPM. The pH and PPM will fluctuate normally, just keep them in a range.

The damage that has happened to your foliage will not disappear. Inspect the new growth at the top of the plants to check current growing conditions. You are killing your girls with kindness, once you make any changes, the plants will slowly react over the next week.

You're doing fine, and you will harvest some nice girls.

Have fun!

Well said. This is exactly what I have been saying all along. Rep+ for helping a newbie out.

Next stop, harvest time

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Well said. This is exactly what I have been saying all along. Rep+ for helping a newbie out.

Next stop, harvest time

yes, yes you have lol... Its hard to just sit back. Im type A, so ya know...

 

[potroast]

Right now the plants have been transplanted and are on the floor they are spread out and the room is 6.5x8.5. I have the MH come on at 6 am and off at 6 pm then I have the HPS come on at noon til midnight so for 6 hours there is still 2 k burning... to much or okay now with the offset and spread?

Before your plants were in a 3x3 bed -- only 9 sqft. A 1K lamp will adequately light about 20 sqft. Now your plants are spread out so your two lamps will cover two adjacent areas of 4x4, or 4x8. You should situate your lamps so they cover that area well, and run them both for all of lights on time.

because the way I am setup now I cant cover my media with hydroton I have the 6 inch tops though for the rockwool I can apply that after getting some more H202/water mix on there. I didnt keep them covered because I wanted them to air out more?!?

Keep your wet media covered with a piece of panda plastic.

The cubes are definetly rooting into the clay now.. The roots are going nutso I looked at one and it is really spreading alot of weblike looking shit outa the roots.. So you mentioned 1-2 x week watering through the top, just to buffer the PH and help stimulate the roots?

You will want to keep the large rockwool cubes from drying out completely, and the flush-through will help to prevent salt build up.

For basic rez maintenance, top off with plain water between changes. Always maintain the same water level in the rez, and don't react to changes in PPM. The pH and PPM will fluctuate normally, just keep them in a range.

What do you mean by this... If my res was at 200 and then I see new yellow/curl/burn and I check the PPM and its at 300 I shouldnt worry, or if my PH is up to 6.2 in the res dont add any PH down? Kinda confused on that...

Also is two waterings a day for 15 minutes in the ebb and grow to much? Thats what I am currently doing...

If your PPM are that much higher, then you need to top off with plain water. That will dilute the PPM. And only adjust your pH when it is out of range. IOW start with your mix and adjust to 5.6pH. Then top off regularly with plain water adjusted to 5.6pH. When your rez pH drifts up to 6.2, adjust it back down to 5.6.

Two irrigations/day is fine, you may want to increase that when plants are larger.


Have fun!

 

[cazador]

once again Potrost comes through.
BLuck follow PRost's advice and you'll be on your way to a bountiful harvest.

Before your plants were in a 3x3 bed -- only 9 sqft. A 1K lamp will adequately light about 20 sqft. Now your plants are spread out so your two lamps will cover two adjacent areas of 4x4, or 4x8. You should situate your lamps so they cover that area well, and run them both for all of lights on time.



Keep your wet media covered with a piece of panda plastic.



You will want to keep the large rockwool cubes from drying out completely, and the flush-through will help to prevent salt build up.



If your PPM are that much higher, then you need to top off with plain water. That will dilute the PPM. And only adjust your pH when it is out of range. IOW start with your mix and adjust to 5.6pH. Then top off regularly with plain water adjusted to 5.6pH. When your rez pH drifts up to 6.2, adjust it back down to 5.6.

Two irrigations/day is fine, you may want to increase that when plants are larger.


Have fun!

Again

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Before your plants were in a 3x3 bed -- only 9 sqft. A 1K lamp will adequately light about 20 sqft. Now your plants are spread out so your two lamps will cover two adjacent areas of 4x4, or 4x8. You should situate your lamps so they cover that area well, and run them both for all of lights on time.



Keep your wet media covered with a piece of panda plastic.



You will want to keep the large rockwool cubes from drying out completely, and the flush-through will help to prevent salt build up.



If your PPM are that much higher, then you need to top off with plain water. That will dilute the PPM. And only adjust your pH when it is out of range. IOW start with your mix and adjust to 5.6pH. Then top off regularly with plain water adjusted to 5.6pH. When your rez pH drifts up to 6.2, adjust it back down to 5.6.

Two irrigations/day is fine, you may want to increase that when plants are larger.


Have fun!

OK sounds great and thanks again soo very much for the follow up and hand holding...

Mucho Grassiass...

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Well said. This is exactly what I have been saying all along. Rep+ for helping a newbie out.

Next stop, harvest time

For Sure.... I am trying... but not as hard... if that makes sense....

BL

 

[BeginnersLuck]

All, So I have been away for a couple days just trying to lay low and keep it eazy... Not to mention my friend harvested some afghan that is permacouch stuff... Anyways to the update, things SLOWLY seem to still be working their way...
Only some of the plants still get very very slight tip burn... For the most part though the plants have stopped burning up..
They havent grown in a few days it seems... Seems like there was an initial push for growth but that has certainly settled off.. Biggest plant is still like 9 inches smaller ones are like 4... They are greening up for sure...
The res is currently at like 400ppm... I havent given them ANY new nutes the res keeps rising... I havent switched out the res yet... Its still the same one I started the ebb and grow with 9 days ago... I am still toping the nutes off with just plain RO water... trying to get the PPM down to around 300 each morning to see it rise..
I am wondering when do I start feeding them more nutes? Shouldnt they now be growing crazy; they dont seem to be moving much...?
I have supplied pics from 2 days ago... I will get more today/tonight and post.

Thanks,

 

[BeginnersLuck]

So I checked them this afternoon and some are wilting up a bit more. I emptied 12 gallons and added 12 new gallons of ro water.... This brings my total add-back to 24 gallons of the 36...
Anyways the ppm is back to 295.. PH 5.6
I poured 2.5 gallons over the tops of them equally per the advise to top water 1-2 x week for salt build up and keeping moist. The lamps are 25 inches from the top canopy, largest plant is 11 inches.

When do I flower at what height and what should I look for.

Also when or do I switch to 3 x day watering?

 

[Big P]

you better flower no higher than 12"


depending the strain once you know how much the strain will strech then you can flower at shorter or higher lengths

another peoblem with growing multiple strains is they will all strech to a different height and take different times to finish


they say you should expect your plant to double or triple in size but i have had them quadruple before

5 or 6 ft plants it can get ugly fast if you dont have enough room


i would expect them to atleast triple in length

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Thanks alot...

How about the watering schedule? I am currently watering 2 times a day for 15 minute cycles... The flooding takes like 10 minutes so the are only sitting in the nutes for 5 minutes. Should I bump this up to 30 minutes... 10 to fill ;soak for 20 or is what I have now fine only soaking for 5?

When do I bump it up to 3 x day?

 

[Big P]

i dont know but i say the more the merrier do you have air stones in your tank??

i cant really tell you about the watering tho i have never done it like that, mine just sit in the nuted water 24/7

maybe send a private message to potroast with specific questions, bet you can get a lot of good info that way from somone we already know has good expiriance and knowledge

 

[BeginnersLuck]

i dont know but i say the more the merrier do you have air stones in your tank??

i cant really tell you about the watering tho i have never done it like that, mine just sit in the nuted water 24/7

maybe send a private message to potroast with specific questions, bet you can get a lot of good info that way from somone we already know has good expiriance and knowledge

I do have a 60 gal airstone runing in there....

Typically the ebb and grow is run 3 times a day 4 times tword the end of the flowering stretch. I am still only on two x day because of the of the overwater previously.

I will see if I can get his feedback.



BL

 

[Big P]

see i cant understand how your plants could be overwater if they are in oxygenated solution


remeber my roots sit in deep water 24/7


and water is way more dense than those cubes


problem is the cubes dont circulate the water maybe?

anyway i hate to keep telling you this but it will actually make your life easyer if you re-kit the gear you have at some point later and convert it do DWC you can still use most of your stuff you already have

i really dont understand why they even have other methods of hydroponics

i guess they say areo is lil better? but you got so much shit going on is it worth all the trouble with the areo sparyer and stuff i dont know


all i do is walk in my closet test the water add nutes and water and leave


then after 8 weeks i gots weed


but so my opinion is water them early and water them often and my ultimate opinion its to water the 24/7 constantly

 

[BeginnersLuck]

see i cant understand how your plants could be overwater if they are in oxygenated solution


remeber my roots sit in deep water 24/7


and water is way more dense than those cubes


problem is the cubes dont circulate the water maybe?

anyway i hate to keep telling you this but it will actually make your life easyer if you re-kit the gear you have at some point later and convert it do DWC you can still use most of your stuff you already have

i really dont understand why they even have other methods of hydroponics

i guess they say areo is lil better? but you got so much shit going on is it worth all the trouble with the areo sparyer and stuff i dont know


all i do is walk in my closet test the water add nutes and water and leave


then after 8 weeks i gots weed


but so my opinion is water them early and water them often and my ultimate opinion its to water the 24/7 constantly

Big P, that is correct. The Cubes hold a gallon + of water and it doesnt drain from them well. So that water certainly is the problem.
As I mentioned before my future grows are not going to use the rockwool cubes, at least not that big. I plan on growing with net pots or 3 inch rochwool instead of the 6...
So now I am watering the top of the cubes 2 x week so that stays moist. What I am asking about is the buckets.
I destroyed 4 more week plants yesterday and investigated them. They had roots down about 2-3 inches into the buckets.
After priming the water back to 300 last night I am going to kick up the bucket waterings to 3 x day for the 20 minute soak and see how they like that...
Again I am not ready to dump my system LOL; I have put ALOT of planning in this and this is the system that would allow me to grow up to 48 BIG plants with minimal effort and HUGE yields.. I just fucked this up and am trying to compensate for the mistakes... I may in addition add a DWC system per your advise.
Ill keep ya posted..

Thanks,

BL