daddychrisg
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Wow, your work here is huge Ernie. Please tell me that you cut and pasted alot of that info! Thanks for all the great reads, and links. I will throw in my two cents at some point..Thanks again
Thanks man....as much as I would like to take credit for all of that, I did not write it. Everything I posted and more can all be found here in the "info" section:Wow, your work here is huge Ernie. Please tell me that you cut and pasted alot of that info! Thanks for all the great reads, and links. I will throw in my two cents at some point..Thanks again
An excellent response. But it is exactly that kind of archaeological and anthropological evidence that is taken out of context. I'll briefly examine some of what you mentioned.All I'm getting at is the fact that there is overwhelming evidence that aliens have visited earth for thousands of years, and still do so to this day. I know that some great guy in the sky did not wave his hand and create all of us, nor did we evolve from monkeys on our own. Combine that with all the overwhelming evidence that shows aliens have been coming here for thousands of years, and this is where I am now. I do not take any one single persons work as the cold hard facts. As I stated before, I have researched this subject since I was a kid, and to me it is undeniable. Take these people's (Danican & Sitchen)work out of the equation, you are still left with ancient cave paintings, renaissance art with UFOs in them, all the unexplained heiroglyphs in the Egyptian pyramids, the dropa stones, etc.... All the reading material I just posted was the best way for me to convey my beliefs so that everyone here could possibly understand where I am coming from. I must agree with you on the point that these theories are no more credible that "creationism", but I must say, they do make more sense. With all due respect Ethno....isn't everbody that supports the theory that aliens are here/visiting deemed a quack by the scientific community? We are taught at an early age that anything that can not be proven with science is simply not true, but this is something that is beyond our idea of "science". It cannot be proven, and that is exactly what they want....the government AND the aliens; for us to remain dumb and blind just like the herd of cattle we are in the pasture that is this universe
Perhaps the only way to know one way or the other would be to locate the caves in the Bayan-Kara-Ula Mountains and see if those tiny skeletons or, perhaps, more stone discs could be found.An excellent response. But it is exactly that kind of archaeological and anthropological evidence that is taken out of context. I'll briefly examine some of what you mentioned.
First, let's look at the Dropa Stones. There is no evidence that the Dropa Stones ever existed in the first place. The only evidence are a few washed out photographs that do not match the literary description of the stones, including the "alien text" and the "deep groves". They are believed in fact to be photographs of "bi disc" reproductions, and poor ones at that. The earliest mention of them is in one of Erich's "Ancient Astronaut" books, discovered by an "official" expedition funded by a historical society that doesn't exist, by a Dr. Tsum Um Nui. Tsum Um Nui is not a real Chinese name, by the way (it is not pronouncable in any Chinese language), and there is no documentation for him ever having existed. The fact that they translated a completely "unknown" language is dubious, as this has never happened before; this is analogous to Joseph Smith translating the "Golden Tablets", and he supposedly had the help of an angel and the breast plate of the High Priest of Israel. The museums that supposedly had possession of these stones before they were "lost" said that Erich von Daniken simply made the story up for his book, and they never had possession of these artifacts, nor examined them. The secondary sources mentioning them were later proved to be hoaxes or "works of fiction", by the admittance of the actual authors, who support Daniken's theories. Lastly, the Dropa are not a "tribe of dwarf people" in China, but an actual Tibetan tribe that is quite average sized. When an anthropologist related the story to some of the tribal elders, they laughed their fucking heads off, one of them even urinating on himself he was laughing so hard. No one has produced evidence for the actual existence of these caves, the "alien bodies", or anything of the sort.
UFO's in Earth's History - CrystalinksWhat neolithic cave painting depict spacecraft? Sources, please. The "Sorcerer" is one example of such an archaeological source being taken out of context. Erich once again believes it is an alien who upon visiting "morphed" himself into a beast before the eyes of "primitive" people. Every expert says that is it is either a shaman doing a dance for a hunt while wearing a headress (the most common consensus), or it depicts a spirit.
http://www.2012.com.au/Historical.paintings.pdfI'm quite familiar with Renaissance art and Art History. Everything from mannerism to the fantastic altar pieces of Hieronymus Bosch. Which paintings are they, and by whom are they painted? I assure you there are quite logical explanations that fit the timeperiod for whatever you put forth, and I can prove to you that the artist(s) in question did not have extraterrestrials in their worldview, let alone document any such sighting. There is no evidence of sightings, so far as I know, before the years leading up to this previous century. Coinciding with the appearance of science fiction.
You can see some of the images I'm talkin about in the earlier links. There is one that is plainly a helicopter, and another that has 2 greys standing on either side of a UFO.And so far as I know, almost all of the Demotic hieroglyphs have been deciphere. I can even read some myself, though I'm more familiar with the Coptic phase of the Egyptian language. It is due to our familiarity with Coptic and Hieratic that these symbols can now be completely deciphered. If you're speaking of the depiction of what look like helicopters, some have suggested that the ancient Egyptians built flying craft themselves, and they haven't been laughed completely out of academia. That they are spacecraft is reaching... by leaps and bounds. Most likely though, they are a religious symbol comparable to the sun disc or the ankh. In fact, I believe Erich has even suggested the sun disc is a spacecraft as well. They may also be composite images: two or more images combined, which is common in hieroglyphs.
I'm sure those scientists would be ready to put their carrers on the line, but not their lives. Many people have been threatened with their life if they even dared to talk about the things they seen at Roswell, or at Wright Pat AFB in Ohio.People have devoted their entire lives to researching these things. None of them have come up with these answers. If they believed it were so, they would certainly put their professional career on the line. That's science. It's the province of these supposed "quacks" who have neither the education nor the scruples to interpret what they see.
Your argument for a massive world-wide conspiracy is logically flawed. I'm willing to concede it's possible that some things occur. Perhaps something crashed in Roswell and the goverment covered it up. But you know what... other governments have asked to conduct their own investigations of it, so they're not taking it all out of the equation.
As I said before, it's possible that extraterrestrials exist. But the things you mentioned aren't technically "evidence". They're theories put forth to reinforce the worldviews of people who already believe what they're being told. Abductions and spacecraft sightings are more credible to people who are familiar with these fields, especially after these individuals have been proven to be involved in some very shady activities to support their claims.
Once again Skunk, this is not correct. The first reported case of abduction was by Betty and Barney Hill in September 1961. They described their captors as being "small with whitish skin and large catlike eyes".Several good points there ethno', particularly on the emergence of aliens coinciding with science fiction...
Also how people's depictions of these aliens changed right in line with sci fi. Back in the 50's people were drawing pic's of monstrous beasts, now they are grey men, that look much more human. Man doesn't really fear beasts when he is in his own element, he fears other men. So giving the aliens a more man-like appearance has led to a greater fear, a greater sense of wonder...
What about the rest of the reports from that era? They all bullshit?Once again Skunk, this is not correct. The first reported case of abduction was by Betty and Barney Hill in September 1961. They described their captors as being "small with whitish skin and large catlike eyes".
Betty and Barney Hill
Ok here's a 1 liner from that linkOnce again Skunk, this is not correct. The first reported case of abduction was by Betty and Barney Hill in September 1961. They described their captors as being "small with whitish skin and large catlike eyes".
Betty and Barney Hill
That's fantastic! With respect Ethno I would be interested to hear your views on how that could happen.One thing that sceptics cannot explain is, Betty could draw a detailed sketch of the star system Zeta Reticuli which is in the Reticulum constellation, 6 years before astronomers even discovered it?
Interesting no?Dr. David Saunders, a statistician who had been on the Condon UFO study, argued that unusual alignment of key sun-like stars in a plane centered around Zeta Reticuli (first described by Fish) was statistically improbable to have happened by chance from a random group of stars in our immediate neighborhood. [2]
See that's the thing man, it's hard to weed out what is bullshit and what could be concieved as probable. The point I was trying to make is that not all of the early abduction cases specify big monsters as being their captors. There are quite a few cases that change with the sci-fi times I agree, but not all of them. I'm not sure what you are getting at with all the info you just posted, I will have to take some time and read it all. I will report back after.What about the rest of the reports from that era? They all bullshit?
This is fascinating to me because Zeta Reticulu is supposed to be where the greys are from.One thing that sceptics cannot explain is, Betty could draw a detailed sketch of the star system Zeta Reticuli which is in the Reticulum constellation, 6 years before astronomers even discovered it?
So this man did not even know what telepathy was, but he reported that to be their means of communications, which, once again, goes hand in hand with the abduction cases reported today.The few times they communicated with him, Barney said it seemed to be "thought transference"; at that time, he was unfamiliar with the word "telepathy".