Mycorrhizal fungi applications for cannabis - the caveats

[infoseekr]

I want to know a couple things about the inoculates. I have great white and use it in a flood hydro system with silica rocks.
This pumpkin pro seems like a great bargain.
is its selection of organisms, specific to pumpkins? or is it similar, the same, close to what might be used for cannabis, or what great white uses? Can the Pumpkin pro be used in hydro re-circ systems? is anyone using it now, what are results? Do you have to feed the organisms with a carbohydrate? like molassas or something? if so how much per gallon of H2O?

I only saw one reply button at bottom of page so I hope everyone in thread gets copy of this.


what the hell is a trackback?

 

[infoseekr]

also, a bit off subject. the two of you are complaining about snake oil, and grannies sunshine [piss in the bottle]. suggesting these companies could slap a 50 dollar price on shit and sell it to you.

that without regulation [government intervention into free market] we will always get screwed. Being a student of Economics [Ludwig Von Mises, Murray Rothbard persuasion] I suspect your fears are unfounded BS. pardon my french. These companies put their name, image, reputation and CAPITAL ASSETS on the line with every claim they make. if product fails or falls short they will fail. and no one invests CAPITAL ASSETS, run a manufacturing, distribution and employs workers to fail, the intent is to win, make profit, and if profit is consumed by sending out freebees, and fixing some scam they tried to pull over, then they lose and this occurs to me to be big Risk, and unlikely any serious company with street credit, and a reputation would even attempt. High price comes from lack of competition and scarcity of said product, as the masses dont think to research and find a bargain like , perhaps pumpkin pro. as word gets out that, perhaps pumpkin pro is usable and cheap then instantly we have competition, and a surplus on the market driving prices down. im sure you guys can think of another analogy, say the bud market.

Also what seems curious to me about those who expect government fixes [regulation, welfare, subsidies etc] that the vary ideas, and conversation surounding such topics are often the genesis or seeds of perhaps a successful capitalistic free market enterprise. The two of you seem to have stumbled onto a void in said Market, the consumer and producer would both benefit from you two creating a free market testing and authenticaing service, doing trial runs on products and creating a standard for said products. sort of like a UL Listing... go for it I think you'd do well.and it would be of great service to the entire industry.
send me my 20% when your all set up and running. contact me through this site.

good luck
Best Regards
Infoseekr

 

[infoseekr]

also, a bit off subject. the two of you are complaining about snake oil, and grannies sunshine [piss in the bottle]. suggesting these companies could slap a 50 dollar price on shit and sell it to you.

that without regulation [government intervention into free market] we will always get screwed. Being a student of Economics [Ludwig Von Mises, Murray Rothbard persuasion] I suspect your fears are unfounded BS. pardon my french. These companies put their name, image, reputation and CAPITAL ASSETS on the line with every claim they make. if product fails or falls short they will fail. and no one invests CAPITAL ASSETS, run a manufacturing, distribution and employs workers to fail, the intent is to win, make profit, and if profit is consumed by sending out freebees, and fixing some scam they tried to pull over, then they lose and this occurs to me to be big Risk, and unlikely any serious company with street credit, and a reputation would even attempt. High price comes from lack of competition and scarcity of said product, as the masses dont think to research and find a bargain like , perhaps pumpkin pro. as word gets out that, perhaps pumpkin pro is usable and cheap then instantly we have competition, and a surplus on the market driving prices down. im sure you guys can think of another analogy, say the bud market.

Also what seems curious to me about those who expect government fixes [regulation, welfare, subsidies etc] that the vary ideas, and conversation surounding such topics are often the genesis or seeds of perhaps a successful capitalistic free market enterprise. The two of you seem to have stumbled onto a void in said Market, the consumer and producer would both benefit from you two creating a free market testing and authenticaing service, doing trial runs on products and creating a standard for said products. sort of like a UL Listing... go for it I think you'd do well.and it would be of great service to the entire industry.
send me my 20% when your all set up and running. contact me through this site.

good luck
Best Regards
Infoseekr

 

[infoseekr]

do you have to feed the mycorrhizal? ive heard you've gotta put molasses in reservoir , that the Myco eat the carbohydrates?

 

[Dr. VonDank]

I like to make a slurry in a cup or container larger than the root ball then dip in and soak a min before transplant. Myo products need to be applied within a half inch of roots(slurry works great). I agree with UB about the liquid forms(stay away) You can mix your dry powder or granules in your rez or stock tank just before you feed. Great White has been improved with some enzymes as well. They also sell the plant success and a new seaweed/humic product to feed myos and improve chealition of nutrients in the rhizosphere. Humboldt County Nutrients has a product called "White Widow" that has double the propogls per gram of any other product on the market as of current.

 

[Uncle Ben]

I like to make a slurry in a cup or container larger than the root ball then dip in and soak a min before transplant. Myo products need to be applied within a half inch of roots(slurry works great). I agree with UB about the liquid forms(stay away) You can mix your dry powder or granules in your rez or stock tank just before you feed. Great White has been improved with some enzymes as well. They also sell the plant success and a new seaweed/humic product to feed myos and improve chealition of nutrients in the rhizosphere. Humboldt County Nutrients has a product called "White Widow" that has double the propogls per gram of any other product on the market as of current.

The plant feeds the fungi, it's a symbiotic relationship. Regarding enzymes, amino acids all the other hype, the customer doesn't know if he's really getting anything (what non-partisan lab has analysed the contents, supplements are not regulated) and if is anything IS added, what is the required amount to be effective and what is the direct impact? Is there is any real world value in adding this stuff or is a feel-good thing?

99% of buyers are buying on blind faith or what someone repeated said by someone else, anecdotal this and that....

I had a Dr. of Horticulture tell me I was wasting my time and money adding myco products to my soil. In fact, he said I could actually be doing harm to the ones already present. Had another expert say that when you add some of these microbial/myco products, the native ones "just eat 'em."

UB

 

[wyteboi]

also, a bit off subject. the two of you are complaining about snake oil, and grannies sunshine [piss in the bottle]. suggesting these companies could slap a 50 dollar price on shit and sell it to you.

Would be ALOT easier then you think

I suspect your fears are unfounded BS.

What "fears" ? Shit works , and works good , just not worth the money.

These companies put their name, image, reputation and CAPITAL ASSETS on the line with every claim they make. if product fails or falls short they will fail.

OR they change the name of the product , add some more colors to the bottle, name it after a transformer , then continue on with the "snake oils" ..........who cares about the folks that already spent a bunch a money on a brand new product that "failed". Will the corp let you trade it in for the "NEW/IMPROVED VERSION"?
IS this whole site politicians?

send me my 20% when you guys get all set up

You have to EARN your %. That school should have tought you that much.

 

[forushani]

Hi guys
I am new here but I played with Mycrrhizae and it works.

I have some that I imported from Uk and am willing to share.

 

[infoseekr]

Im not trying to teach anyone, everyone is free to think as they wish. I nutshelled thousands of pages of economic theory into a forum comment. I left out a couple things, to say the least. Adam Smith spoke of an invisible hand in the market. hes referring to the natural checks and balances in a FREE MARKET [minus regulation]. One user above gave me the finger??? WTF? I intend to insult no one.

Ultimately the CONSUMER too has a responsibility to know what they are purchasing, This very forum, this very topic, this very conversation is an example of Human Action, Reasonable intellect, people wanting to know what they're buying. wanting to know effectiveness. there are thousand of independent groups that test, approve, and apply their seal to products and services in the market. snake oils are no different. my original comment was provoked by another member wishing worshipful government would regulate. Government has nothing except what it steal, taxation. Also regulation was first realized in the beggining of the progressive era [1880-1920] By the leaders of Big Business NOT the reformers. These big business leaders USED GOV. to regulate their Competition [crushing it] ensuring their monopoly, so they could raise prices and control scarcity. In addition, these actions Diminished Private Property Law, making them unresponsible for dumping toxins, or polluting my yard. Just prior to this Courts upheld private property, and I a single citizen, could get a court Injunction forcing polluter to STOP, and also be rewarded fines paid to me by polluter. After the1880's [progressive era] Big Business polluters could pollute anywhere within a range they defined, in addition to now being able to charge what ever they want, and handicap any moral businessman from competing as he can not compete unless he too joins into such activity. These are Moral Hazards. One can not imagine, wishful thinking of what would be best [desire for regulation] We must look at the moral hazards and allow the free market to function.
AGAIN Consumers have a responsibility in the market to, anyone has the right to sell snake oil if said consumer is blind to effectiveness.
NOW TO THE MYCO ISSUE. this very conversation is an example of Adam Smiths invisible hand. as time goes by people in the know with experience weed out the snake oils via, this forum and other formats. NO ONE forced anyone to buy MYCOS. It was voluntary. all Exchanges are Voluntary to both parties. All established companies operating in a free market are dependant on customer satisfaction, the moment their customers start to Question, and lose confidence, they lose the market share and they FAIL.

Ill stop here. I doubt I deserve any flak from the good people in this forum, Im not scolding anyone, Just be aware ASKING/EXPECTING anything from Government is in form Socialistic and/or Fascist. NOT American Freedom. the Free Market is ultimate Democracy. the consumer voting with Dollars.

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Im not trying to teach anyone, everyone is free to think as they wish. I nutshelled thousands of pages of economic theory into a forum comment. I left out a couple things, to say the least. Adam Smith spoke of an invisible hand in the market. hes referring to the natural checks and balances in a FREE MARKET [minus regulation]. One user above gave me the finger??? WTF? I intend to insult no one.

Ultimately the CONSUMER too has a responsibility to know what they are purchasing, This very forum, this very topic, this very conversation is an example of Human Action, Reasonable intellect, people wanting to know what they're buying. wanting to know effectiveness. there are thousand of independent groups that test, approve, and apply their seal to products and services in the market. snake oils are no different. my original comment was provoked by another member wishing worshipful government would regulate. Government has nothing except what it steal, taxation. Also regulation was first realized in the beggining of the progressive era [1880-1920] By the leaders of Big Business NOT the reformers. These big business leaders USED GOV. to regulate their Competition [crushing it] ensuring their monopoly, so they could raise prices and control scarcity. In addition, these actions Diminished Private Property Law, making them unresponsible for dumping toxins, or polluting my yard. Just prior to this Courts upheld private property, and I a single citizen, could get a court Injunction forcing polluter to STOP, and also be rewarded fines paid to me by polluter. After the1880's [progressive era] Big Business polluters could pollute anywhere within a range they defined, in addition to now being able to charge what ever they want, and handicap any moral businessman from competing as he can not compete unless he too joins into such activity. These are Moral Hazards. One can not imagine, wishful thinking of what would be best [desire for regulation] We must look at the moral hazards and allow the free market to function.
AGAIN Consumers have a responsibility in the market to, anyone has the right to sell snake oil if said consumer is blind to effectiveness.
NOW TO THE MYCO ISSUE. this very conversation is an example of Adam Smiths invisible hand. as time goes by people in the know with experience weed out the snake oils via, this forum and other formats. NO ONE forced anyone to buy MYCOS. It was voluntary. all Exchanges are Voluntary to both parties. All established companies operating in a free market are dependant on customer satisfaction, the moment their customers start to Question, and lose confidence, they lose the market share and they FAIL.

Ill stop here. I doubt I deserve any flak from the good people in this forum, Im not scolding anyone, Just be aware ASKING/EXPECTING anything from Government is in form Socialistic and/or Fascist. NOT American Freedom. the Free Market is ultimate Democracy. the consumer voting with Dollars.

Right, an unregulated free market has worked so freaking well hasn't it? There's been virtually no regulation in the US healthcare industry...they even have exemption against antitrust LAWS. And how have they rewarded the consumer? By jacking up rates for no reason (see: Blue Cross California 39% increase for NO REASON), dropping people who get seriously ill, and denying people coverage if they have a PRE-EXISTING CONDITION.

Life is a pre-existing condition.

The problem with your above argument is that there is no such thing as a "Moral Businessman." It's an oxymoron by definition. A business has one priority...to make money. And they will do anything to make more. Morality involves doing the "right" thing for society as a whole...not for your business or your books. There can be no consumer responsibility without business responsibility, which time has proven again and again to be non-existent (see: the US Banking Industry over the past 20 years).

Anyway, I started using some of my Hydroorgancis Mycorrhizae a couple weeks ago, mixed into my soilless mix...and I can already tell a marked difference. I transplanted some recently rooted clones into the mix, and the size of the leaves on all 3 plants I tested it on are mammoth. I'm not sure if growth is any faster thus far, but it is noticeably stronger.

I'm going to do a side by side comparison using two clones from the same plant...I will post pictures when it happens. It will probably be my trainwreck...

 

[Jerry Garcia]

I had a Dr. of Horticulture tell me I was wasting my time and money adding myco products to my soil. In fact, he said I could actually be doing harm to the ones already present. Had another expert say that when you add some of these microbial/myco products, the native ones "just eat 'em."

UB

myco wars!

 

[wyteboi]

Sorry infoseek , i dont think i understood your first comment.(still dont) I stick my foot in my mouth alot ...... no big deal. i'll take the finger back........i think

 

[wyteboi]

The problem with your above argument is that there is no such thing as a "Moral Businessman."

Hell maybe thats why im in such bad condition. i try my best to be a businessman with morals. i never make money.
i do make plenty of friends though (associates)..............

 

[wyteboi]

Anyway, I started using some of my Hydroorgancis Mycorrhizae a couple weeks ago, mixed into my soilless mix...and I can already tell a marked difference. I transplanted some recently rooted clones into the mix, and the size of the leaves on all 3 plants I tested it on are mammoth. I'm not sure if growth is any faster thus far, but it is noticeably stronger.

I'm going to do a side by side comparison using two clones from the same plant...I will post pictures when it happens. It will probably be my trainwreck...

So your usin rooters jerry? I got that too cause at the time (in the dro store ) it was the cheapest myco they had.
I mix a lil in the pot , but mainly i dump a lil on the roots when upcannin. My test are the opposite then "controlled" so i cant really tell.
What i can tell is the HUGE difference in roots when i upcan. I really think the big difference came from the new dirt though.

I'll leave the myco out on a few peat balls , then see what they look like when i upcan from the cup.............

 

[infoseekr]

Your wrong, moral businessmen can not exist in a regulated market, I suggest you back up to my prior comment which details the progressive era. and just who is responsible for the regulation we have.
Also if one wanted to grow cannabis to sell, this is a market, evidence here now in this forum are likely businessmen looking for quality MYCO to get bigger better yeilds onto market. these likely business men also search out genetic/seeds of the highest quality, and improve their grow chambers to ensure quality, and all of this is motivated by likely profits. so likely businessman has customer satisfaction in mind. anyway I hope to STOP this thread on economics. I meant not to ruffle the leftist in forum, but our very activity is regulated, one can not get certain products from holland, we can not sell said product at farmers market. and there are those not so moral businessmen who want these regulations as they keep prices high, these individuals know that once cannabis is LAWFUL and unregulated and taxed that scarcity would diminish and prices would drop... cutting into said businessman profits, and devaluing his production facility. So LEADERS in the cannabis market might vote against legalization. So even in said market a moral cannabis producer could not compete with those who want the government regulation... he can not take risks, to produce and sell at cut rate prices as he will eventually fail.... If it were lawful we'd have a different market for the better, and ethically/morally right. FREEDOM PEOPLE! We too are the private sector, and private property rights are superior to state statutes and legislation.
Human Action, reason, intellect. all trade on said market [free] is voluntary, I want said plant, you want said dollar... we both benefit.

 

[infoseekr]

SOrry for the economics Ranting, I want to return to the MYCO threads. Ill bite my tongue, if you bite yours.... LOL... Friends?

 

[infoseekr]

Id offer this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpmqy9tC4uI to anyone interested in the economics freedom issue. Health care comes up around 14 min in. but dont miss the whole video as much context is needed.

 

[Jerry Garcia]

So your usin rooters jerry? I got that too cause at the time (in the dro store ) it was the cheapest myco they had.
I mix a lil in the pot , but mainly i dump a lil on the roots when upcannin. My test are the opposite then "controlled" so i cant really tell.
What i can tell is the HUGE difference in roots when i upcan. I really think the big difference came from the new dirt though.

I'll leave the myco out on a few peat balls , then see what they look like when i upcan from the cup.............

Yeah the granular stuff...I think it's called Rooters...I mix up a fresh batch of soil(less) mix every time I transplant, and this last time I threw some of the rooters stuff.

It's way cheap for as much as you get (only use 1 or 2 tbsp per gallon of soil) at around $13. I figured it's a small investment in the event it has no effect...

Glad to hear someone else has used it and likes it. I'll try and do a solid controlled experiment with it on my next round of clones. Early indications are positive though on my test crop...

 

[Jerry Garcia]

SOrry for the economics Ranting, I want to return to the MYCO threads. Ill bite my tongue, if you bite yours.... LOL... Friends?

Everyone is entitled their opinions. This is an inappropriate place to take this conversation any farther however, so we can agree to disagree at the moment.

Thread=unjacked.

 

[infoseekr]

Besides a Myco product to create the rooting symbiosis. What Products Does the forum Like for Root stimulants. for instance, Canna Rhizotonic, House and Garden Root Excellurator, Root 66, B1 thrive products??? Enzyme products? Im using House and gardens line except the root excell as its pricy, I have used it and I know a few ml in 25 gal is all you need. compared to root 66 one needs almost 400ml in 25gal. Also is there a generic, agriculture or store brand that works ???