Citizens should pay for protection afforded by law abiding gun owners?

[laughingduck]

Sensible Gun Registration Plan That Will Work

Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont 's own Constitution very carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.

Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun.

Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only affirming the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as a clear mandate to do so. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by the government as well as criminals. Vermont 's constitution states explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent." Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation that may arise."

Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so," Maslack says Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the least restrictive laws of any state .. it's currently the only state that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns. Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way.

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[NoDrama]

This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.

Great Idea!! Although there are many stupid people in this world who would be apt to shoot themselves by accident, I won't complain as I won't have to hand out Darwin awards to them.

 

[redivider]

what most affects local crime rates is the socio economic conditions of a small geographic area, not 'many guns, low regulation'.

for example: somalia has a shit-ton of guns, and zero regulation.....

anyways, apparantely their cnstitution says they have to pay a no-gun tax.... all power to them.....

 

[Illegal Smile]

what most affects local crime rates is the socio economic conditions of a small geographic area, not 'many guns, low regulation'.

for example: somalia has a shit-ton of guns, and zero regulation.....

anyways, apparantely their cnstitution says they have to pay a no-gun tax.... all power to them.....

But the wrong people have all the guns in Somalia. In fact, you remind me that I am terribly concerned about the millions of economically disadvantaged people in America who are being denied access to guns because of the high prices. I think the government should heavily subsidize guns and ammo to make them affordable to everyone. After all the second amendment gives us the RIGHT to own them. We shouldn't lose that right just because we can't afford them!

 

[fitch303]

Ohio is a prefect role model for how our national gun laws should be.

 

[Smirgen]

Non Gun owners should be able to opt out... Either pay the 500 dollars or put a sign in their front yard stating that they dont own any firearms.

 

[Dragline]

Buy a gun or pay the government $500? That is fucking stupid! I exercise my 2nd amendment right to the fullest. Im a gun owner with a good variety and usually growing collection. Just as it is my right to own guns, it is other peoples right not to. Just as many of you have argued there should be no government mandate saying you either purchase health insurance or pay a fine. To then argue that people buy a gun or pay a fine is simply hypocritical.

What the fuck would Vermont need to be defending itself from anyway? New Hampshire gonna try to jack you of a ski slope or something?

 

[laughingduck]

Buy a gun or pay the government $500? That is fucking stupid! I exercise my 2nd amendment right to the fullest. Im a gun owner with a good variety and usually growing collection. Just as it is my right to own guns, it is other peoples right not to. Just as many of you have argued there should be no government mandate saying you either purchase health insurance or pay a fine. To then argue that people buy a gun or pay a fine is simply hypocritical.

What the fuck would Vermont need to be defending itself from anyway? New Hampshire gonna try to jack you of a ski slope or something?

I just think it is funny when things come full circle and what the liberals started comes back to slap them in the back of the head!

 

[NoDrama]

Its a Tax, anyone could go and buy an SKS rifle for $200 and be done paying the tax forever. Whats so hard about that? Hell you could buy an old used gun for $50 if you know the right people. If the government mandates you buy health insurance there isn't an alternative. Its not like you can go out and buy insurance for far less than the fine/tax.

 

[beardo]

A felon cant own a gun...??? Right? is that true? or can you still get a permit if your not on parole? if it is true a felon cant own a gun how do they justify denying your rights?

 

[Rob Roy]

A felon cant own a gun...??? Right? is that true? or can you still get a permit if your not on parole? if it is true a felon cant own a gun how do they justify denying your rights?

Even more irony, a felon convicted of a nonviolent "victimless crime" cannot own a gun. They don't have the legal justification, but they make shit up as they go along.

Plus they will use violence on you, to um keep a nonviolent person from owning guns and uh doing violent things. See? Makes perfect sense.

 

[beardo]

so then a felon who allready has trouble finding work because of having a record would have to pay or go to prison for not being able to pay the tax

 

[dukeofbaja]

Dragline, you have literally just changed my view on fining those who opt out of universal health care (if it ever happens). And as much as I disagree with you on other issues, I say you are the only person to articulate a good counterpoint so far in this thread (one which I am too high to have thought of myself).

I get the spirit behind taxing those who don't own guns, but I don't think any state would ever pass a law, even the gun-lovingist of them all. This argument is based on a very strict interpretation of the state's constitution it seems, and whenever you get that strict/extremist in your interpretation, it is no good....

Perhaps gun owners should not be allowed the right of police assistance, since they are more than capable of handling themselves?

PS - Excuse the highness of this post. I am very very high right now

 

[NoDrama]

In some states felons CAN own guns, for instance in S Dakota or Montana you can reclaim your right to a Gun after 8 years of the conviction. There are states where felons may never own a gun, but not all states are the same.

 

[RickWhite]

Sounds like the OP was intended to make a point more than pass an actual law.

Liberal dogma frequently involves resting comfortably under the protection of others and then criticizing the people who provide it. Although we all hate war, some of us realize that it is sometimes necessary to ensure our safety. Liberals on the other hand refuse to nut up and toe the line with the rest of us preferring instead to hide within the moral high ground on pacifism - a position afforded to them by the sacrifice of others. While it appears morally superior on the surface, it is in fact a cowardly dereliction of one's moral duty. The piece above is a demonstration of this point.

And the piece has other significance as well as it can be applied to a great many areas in which there is a public benefit.

 

[RickWhite]

In some states felons CAN own guns, for instance in S Dakota or Montana you can reclaim your right to a Gun after 8 years of the conviction. There are states where felons may never own a gun, but not all states are the same.

In MI it is a felony to disobey or resist a cop. If he goes to cuff you for no reason and he thinks he felt you pull your hand away you are a fellon. MI is a police state.

 

[beardo]

In some states felons CAN own guns, for instance in S Dakota or Montana you can reclaim your right to a Gun after 8 years of the conviction. There are states where felons may never own a gun, but not all states are the same.

is this true? thanks. i thought their was a fedral law against it. i was under the impression you could never even go hunting

 

[medicineman]

For non-violent crimes, (drugs etc), a felon can regain his gun rights by petitioning the courts for an expungement. An expungement will clear your records and you can even pass an FBI check, ask me how I know. My expungement cost me 780.00 for lawyers fees and court costs. Probably would be much more now. I now am the proud possessor of a concealed carry permit, Boolyaa.

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the least restrictive laws of any state .. it's currently the only state that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit.

Incorrect info - Vermont is not the only state that allows this. Alaska's constitution gives us the same right to carry concealed with no permitting requirements.
GWN

 

[RickWhite]

For non-violent crimes, (drugs etc), a felon can regain his gun rights by petitioning the courts for an expungement. An expungement will clear your records and you can even pass an FBI check, ask me how I know. My expungement cost me 780.00 for lawyers fees and court costs. Probably would be much more now. I now am the proud possessor of a concealed carry permit, Boolyaa.

You do know the law varies from state to state right?

In MI, one can only get an expungement for a first offense of ANY kind. So, if you have an expired license plate misdemeanor - no expungement.

On another note, I find it absurd that someone such as yourself who expresses his desire to commit terrorism as you have done a few times in this forum can get a CPL. I can tell by the way you talk you will wind up brandishing your gun and either get arrested or shot. you are just that type of guy.