Seedlings aren't happy

Hey, happy people! Forgive this newb...I've spent the past 48 hours reading everything I can on this forum. There's so much information that I've diagnosed my seedlings with 16 different problems...probably none of which are accurate. Ha ha ha... (btw I am a very seasoned gardener, but totally new to both cannabis and hydroponics.)

I have a tent setup and have sprouted four feminized seeds, White Widow, Northern Lights, Hawaiian Snow, and The Ultimate. I am growing these to take clones for both indoor and outdoor growing.

Seeds in wet paper towels sprouted in 24 hours (with the exception of Hawaiian Snow, which needed more heat from the mat to sprout and was out in 48 hours). Then they were moved into Rockwool cubes, which were prepared by a 90 minute soak in pH 5.0 (manufacturer now recommends 30 minute soak...no more overnight soaks) then flushed well with weak nutrient solution. I used vinegar to drop the pH for the soaking liquid. (Didn't have pH down, and didn't realize the importance of not using vinegar until later.) The nutrient solution is General Hydroponics Advance Nutrient System, at their strength recommended for seedlings, 1/4 tsp of each of 3 solutions in a gallon of water. Then I lowered the pH to 5.5 with vinegar and brought to room temp. The water was bottled spring water, which I later learned I shouldn't use because of high ppm levels.

Nute-soaked Rockwool cubes were put into a wick-system setup, nestled in vermiculite into which the wick was buried. The whole thing went into my tent with a 400watt HPS about 2-3 feet above the seedlings, and I left for Portland for a week.

When I came back, my babies were pretty fried. Yellow/brown on the leaf tips. The temp of the seedling area was in the high 80s/low 90s.

Not knowing whether the discoloration was due to heat, too much nute, too little nute, too warm nute solution, or whether the fact that I had used vinegar to lower the pH...

I immediately flushed with distilled water. I tossed the nute solution and made up another solution with "drinking water" which is RO, reduced the nute level by 1/4th (by making a gallon at the recommended level of 1/4 tsp of each solution in a gallon, then discarding 1/4 of the solution and adding more water), adjusted to 5.5ph with genuine pH down, brought to room temp, and returned them to the tent. I raised the light so that the temp at seedling level is 75-79 degrees and added a fan.

There are some new leaves coming out that look healthy, but the largest leaf set is still pretty narsty. Pics:


Hawaiian Snow


Northern Lights


The Ultimate


White Widow



Anyone have any seasoned insight about what might have happened, or any suggestions for what I might do to help these babies recover?
 

jjburnout

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I think your temps are too high... also, I wouldnt use any nutes untill at least the 2nd set of true leaves....just my 2 cents.

Good luck.....
 

HookdOnChronics

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Hey man, so I think that those tiny little seedlings couldn't handle the HPS being that close to them, just to intense for such little seedlings. Most people don't even put them under the HPS for 2 weeks after planting, and just keep them under some simple flouros. Anyways, you've raised the light, so thats good. The hi 80 low 90 temp is a little to much, try to lower that. And do not use any more nutes until they are at least 2 weeks old. The already hurt leaves are not going to recover most likely, but you should be OK seeing as how the 2nd set of true leaves are already on their way out...

Hope this helps, and other Q's, just ask.
 
Thanks, guys! I figured they'd be okay. I'm trying not to be one of those paranoid newbs who check their seedlings every 30 minutes. Heh heh... I've been gardening a long time, but I usually don't spend $20 on a single seed!

Didn't realize they should be without nutes for the first couple of weeks. I'll switch them over to water for the next week, then back to nutes after that.

Happy Growing!
 

McFonz

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hydro needs nutes since sprout.
soil doesn't.

you should use nutes.

If you went off for a week it might be rez. temp, pH shifting and a thousand more options.

I'd first check the PH and temp of the rez.


You COULD use spring water. You COULD soak the rockwool overnight.
 

KushLuvR

Active Member
I think your temps are too high... also, I wouldnt use any nutes untill at least the 2nd set of true leaves....just my 2 cents.

Good luck.....
I agree with burn out here. i don't think Seedlings should be fed nutes. Think of it this way..would you feed a infant a big mac? No, you want he/she to mature a little so they can digest the food. One thing i've noticed is plants are similar to humans...find out what they need, give it to em and there happy. I definetly beleive ur problem is from nutes too early....just my 3 cents:bigjoint:
 

homegrownboy

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This is why i grow in soil...hydro too many things go wrong too quickly.

Wait...is it hydro? I don't see no flow valves or anything. If it isn't hydro...then ya you burnt the crap outa them with nutes. Those lil round leaves called cotlydons supply the plant with the vital food it needs for the first few weeks of life. Once those fall off then you can start adding nutes in small low doses, but i'd still wait till the plant shows it needs food. I've grown some plants that i've only had to feed once or twice in veg, and once or twice in flowering, although that's rare. Usually at about the 3rd week you can start to introduce the nutes. I'd reccomend organic over chem, but that's your decision.
 

homegrownboy

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I agree with burn out here. i don't think Seedlings should be fed nutes. Think of it this way..would you feed a infant a big mac? No, you want he/she to mature a little so they can digest the food. One thing i've noticed is plants are similar to humans...find out what they need, give it to em and there happy. I definetly beleive ur problem is from nutes too early....just my 3 cents:bigjoint:
Ha ha...some people do...that's the sad part...that's why there's 200lb 10 year olds!
 

Moochbuds

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I have been using nutes since day one with my bubbleponic system, have had NO nute burn till i added a full strength of BC Boost, and let me tell you was that a mistake, depending on how much nute he has used, might not be the prob, i have pic of how mine r doing on my journal, they r 16 days old, go compare to what i have going, hopefully it will help you out. I would like to know what kind of light you are using and how far away is it from your plants. From what i can see i say light damage, I have had mine at 80.0 to 81 no higher now lower, the ligt is about 18-20 inchs away. (400WMH) being that young with that much light and heat looks to have stressed them, thats my answers wrong or right
 
No nutes needed.

I put cuttings in a clone machine all the time and they will sit there and grow up to 2 feet over 2 months just on tap water.
They won't get thick stems or anything, but they won't burn a single leaf either and once put in blocks the stems thicken up right away.

Also like they said the HPS is too much- I grow easily up to 2 feet tall with just water and $19.00 Home Depot Flourescent shoplight. I would not put under HPS till at least 1 week after put in blocks and rooted there.
 

Moochbuds

Active Member
I have been using a 400watt MH bulb, simple more Lums more growth def would use a good light. i will switch to the HPS when flowering comes
 

Moochbuds

Active Member
No nutes needed.

I put cuttings in a clone machine all the time and they will sit there and grow up to 2 feet over 2 months just on tap water.
They won't get thick stems or anything, but they won't burn a single leaf either and once put in blocks the stems thicken up right away.

Also like they said the HPS is too much- I grow easily up to 2 feet tall with just water and $19.00 Home Depot Flourescent shoplight. I would not put under HPS till at least 1 week after put in blocks and rooted there.
Lol you never do anything to clones no nutesor Ph change straight tap water with ph 5.5, doesnt even matter if you dip the roots in cloning gel, thats just the way clones grow lol
 
Yes, this is a passive hydro wick system...the rez is currently a 9x13 pyrex dish with a rubber lid. I drilled holes for the wicks and the plants are sitting directly over the holes with the wicks dangling down into the rez. Temp is at 76F, pH 5.5 in the rez, 78F in the air where the seedlings are. I am using General Hydroponics Advanced Nutrient System and their instructions are to use the amount I used for seedlings over 1 day old, so by THEIR instructions, it's okay to keep them in nutes. But I've never grown cannabis before, so I'm flying blind. They seem to be just fine now that the light was raised. It is currently 3 feet above the seedlings level. I can't get it any closer or the temp rockets to 90F. It's a 3x3 grow tent...small space. I'm going to have to get a vented hood for the light, apparently, because I'm going to have REAL problems with temps once these babies get larger.
 

homegrownboy

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Yes, this is a passive hydro wick system...the rez is currently a 9x13 pyrex dish with a rubber lid. I drilled holes for the wicks and the plants are sitting directly over the holes with the wicks dangling down into the rez. Temp is at 76F, pH 5.5 in the rez, 78F in the air where the seedlings are. I am using General Hydroponics Advanced Nutrient System and their instructions are to use the amount I used for seedlings over 1 day old, so by THEIR instructions, it's okay to keep them in nutes. But I've never grown cannabis before, so I'm flying blind. They seem to be just fine now that the light was raised. It is currently 3 feet above the seedlings level. I can't get it any closer or the temp rockets to 90F. It's a 3x3 grow tent...small space. I'm going to have to get a vented hood for the light, apparently, because I'm going to have REAL problems with temps once these babies get larger.
As long as you followed the directions you did it right...hydro setups need nutes from the first day.
 

Moochbuds

Active Member
As long as you followed the directions you did it right...hydro setups need nutes from the first day.
yes they do need nutes from the start. I would really suggest that you go look at my grow journal, it is exatly what you need to look at, i am using hydro bubbleponic and had nute probs.

read what people posted about using amounts of nutes outa the box, the amounts are to high they want you to use their products, yes they are great and i will always use BC nutes, but the mix they say to use is way to much.

The company wants you to use as much as they can get you to that way you have to buy more 70$ nutes.

Just take 10 mins and look at what happened to mine will help you out alot im sure. Good luck bud
 
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