Root Clone Test - pictures

hotsxyman911

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this is just another method that big time growers would use and it was told on this site to hobbes and people were douting him so he just wants to prove that it works. if you have negative comments just dont look at the thread. we are all working to share knowledge with everyone for different techniques so stop the hating please its just immature.
 

AquafinaOrbit

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this is just another method that big time growers would use and it was told on this site to hobbes and people were douting him so he just wants to prove that it works. if you have negative comments just dont look at the thread. we are all working to share knowledge with everyone for different techniques so stop the hating please its just immature.

Though I'm on your side as I really hope with works. (Could be ridiculous making clones to sell, but at same time may hurt market.) there is no reason to call someone immature when we are still yet to prove this method.
 

reeferMaster

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olny douting him becuase the thread says pictures and i have yet 2 see any picture of a root clone , im am just curious like every one be cuse this method is not popular but very interesting,
 

hotsxyman911

Active Member
ok so its been 5 days and my update is not much progress looking but re sprayed the soil to moisten it a little and thats about it for me.
 

Hobbes

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The root will not grow more roots until it develops calydons (tiny first leaves) - then we have a sprout.

The people calling for proof before believing are correct - Root Cloning doesn't work until someone posts pics of roots with calydons.

.... like watching sod grow .... think weeks or months .... maybe the bubbler will be quicker ....

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bongsmilie
 

greensister

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It will take time if it will happen. I am skeptical, but that doenst mean im biased. From what i know about plants, its possible, but such whispy roots are fragile and the probability is low-based on what i know. Im sure there are 1000s of factors im not aware of that contribute the the success or failure of this experiment.

I would like for it to work. Believe me. ScrOG would be changed forever. Hell, you could do some massive overgrow the government campaigns in parks and along highways.

And yes, there were pics. Pics of how he prepared. Its not like TV cooking where a 4 hour roast is done in 1/2 hour.

And HOBBS....if it doesnt work this time for you, after my next harvest in 4+ months, ill be trying this too.
 

Afka

Active Member
see you made it don should be very interesting
Wouldn't this need to happen in an laboratory environment?


Pathogens, fungi and bacteria, will probably decompose the roots before this process will happen.

There's a reason there aren't 10000 cannabis sprouts under a chopped canna-tree outdoors.


After reading this, I figured I'd throw a handful of roots in a worm compost, it's the perfect warm moist environment, but I figured, DUH, they're gonna eat that shit in no time.
 

greensister

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That is true, to a point. Roots take extra care to compost as they have a protective mechanism because they are meant to be underground. If you were to take worm castings, which will have live beneficial bacteria and few pathogens, and put the roots in there, if the worms are not in the container, and/or there is a better choice of food for the critters such as partially decomposed organic material, the roots will be one of the later choices for the composting agents to consume. They would go after the easy stuff first, which could provide enough time for the roots to regenerate and start up its immune system, staving off the composting agents that would eat them eventually.

If you used something sterile like perlite and warmed distilled water, then it would take even longer to compost.

The entire world is a lab. You dont need, white walls, and bright overhead lights, and glass cabinets to call something a lab. You just need a question, an idea, and the will to execute a plan to find out the answer.

Almost everyone here should consider themselves an amatuer scientist because scientists observe, research, predict, and test.
 

Hobbes

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What are the methods of vegetative propagation?

Stems, roots, leaves, and even single cells are used for cloning plants. Plants can be cloned by cuttings. For cuttings, a portion of a stem with leaves is cut from the parent and placed in a suitable rooting medium for that particular species of plant. Some suitable media include moist sand, a mixture of peat moss and soil, or water. After roots have developed from the cut end of the stem, the cutting is transplanted into soil. House plants such as coleus, philodendron, ivy, and geraniums propagate by cuttings.

Grafting is similar to cuttings in that a part of a stem (or a bud) is removed from the parent. The part removed from the parent is called a scion. In making a graft, it is important to match the vascular cambium of the scion to that of the stock. A graft will fail if the cambia are not in contact. Grafting is used when it is difficult to root cuttings of the plant being propagated, or if the stock has desirable traits not found in the plant that is the source of the scion. For example, frail ornametal roses are usually grafted onto the root stock of more hardy and disease-resistant wild roses. This way, the aboveground part of the rose has the qualities we like in a rose (pretty flowers and pleasing aroma), and the roots resist soil-borne pathogens, which the original parent of the scion could not do. Grafting is also an important means for reproducing plants that do not produce seeds. The best examples here are seedless citrus fruits and certain ornamental plants.

Modified stems, like stolons of strawberry (left), rhizomes of bermuda grass and irises, tubers of potatoes, are all commonly used to propagate these crops. Crops propagated asexually are uniform genetically.

There are now new ways to clone plants. In the past few decades, scientists have begun to use methods of biotechnology to produce cloned plants commercially. Basic studies of plant development have shown that one plant cell can give rise to an entire new plant if the cell is first grown into a mass of cells (callus) under controlled environmental conditions and the callus is then treated with special chemicals (plant hormones) that induce development of shoots and roots. Using these tissue culture methods, one plant could be divided into myriads of cells, each of which could potentially develop into a new plant.
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What are the are rooting powders?

Rooting powders are widely used in vegetative propagation to enhance rooting of stem cuttings. Rooting powders usually contain a plant hormone, auxin, which strongly influences root initiation. Propagation from cut leaves can also be promoted by auxins. Auxins have another function inside plants. Auxins are involved in apical dominance, a phenomenon in which the uppermost bud exerts an inhibitory influence upon the lateral buds, preventing their development.

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Rhizomes are horizontal underground stems that can produce new stems from their nodes. Examples of plant species that store food and propagate with rhizomes are smooth bromegrass, Kentucky bluegrass and johnsongrass. Stolons are horizontal aboveground stems that can produce new plants from their nodes. White clover, strawberries and bermudagrass propagate themselves with stolons.

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Hobbes

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What are root's functions?
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The three universal functions of all roots are anchorage, absorption and translocation of water with dissolved mineral nutrients. In many perennial and biennial species, roots are also sites for food storage. These food reserves keep the plant alive through the non-growing season, and are used to resume growth in spring or after cutting or grazing. Some species that store food in their roots are yams, alfalfa and red clover. Food storage organs of some vegetables (carrots, beets, and radishes) are actually a combination of root and stem tissues.

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There are two major types of root systems: fibrous and taproot (left). Grasses have fibrous root system. Their roots are adventitious, arising from the lowest nodes of the stems. Species with a fibrous system are more shallowly rooted than plants with a persistent taproot. Most dicots have a taproot system. The taproot originates from the primary root (radicle) of the seed. The taproot may have many branches originating from it. Roots of legumes may also have root nodules, which are sites for nitrogen fixation .

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Zones of the root

A root can be divided into the mature zone, zone of maturation, zone of cell elongation, and the zone of cell division (the apical meristem) protected by the root cap (right). All of the root cells originate from the divisions of the cells of the apical meristem. These cells are small, thin-walled, and contain large nuclei. Root meristem is protected by a root cap. The root cap is a dynamic, multifunctioning organ. For many years it was believed that the root cap functioned solely to protect the apical meristem of the root. Recently, it was shown that the cells of root cap percieve both light and gravity. Root caps of both dicots and monocots produce large numbers of metabolically active root "border" cells, which are programmed to separate from the root into the surrounding soil. In soil, border cells play important roles in protecting the roots from the soil-borne diseases (Hawes et al, 1998).


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What are the root tissues?
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The primary root tissues are the epidermis, the outermost layer of cells covering the root surface, the cortex that surrounds the stele, and the vascular tissue or stele, which occupies a central position.
The root epidermis (1 on the cross-sections below) is usually a single cell layer that protects the root. The cells of epidermis can elongate to produce root hairs. These root hairs have larger surface area and are more efficient in absorbing water. Root hairs are also the sites of Rhizobium invasion of the legumes.

Right: scanning electron micrograph of soybean root hairs.





above: crossection of a dicot root


below: crossection of a grass root



Let's focus on the micrographs of root crossections (left). The cortex (2) is composed of thin-walled parenchyma cells, which are frequently arranged in radial rows or concentric circles. The root cortex region frequently functions as a major storage region, its parenchyma cells are packed with starch grains or other compounds. The innermost layer of the cortex is endodermis (3). The endodermis is a single cellular layer enclosing the vascular cylinder.

The central region of the root (stele) consists of xylem (xy), phloem (ph) and associated parenchyma cells. When xylem occupies the center of the root, it has variable number of extensions projecting outward toward the endodermis. The phloem tissue lies between these radiating arcs of xylem. Such anatomy is typical to the roots of dicots (carrots, beans, etc).

Where a pith is present, the vascular tissue takes the form of discrete strands of xylem (xy) with alternating strands of phloem (ph), like in the roots of corn, grains, turf and other grasses.

The main function of xylem is the upward transport of water and dissolved nutrients. The phloem is the tissue through which photosynthate, manufactured by the leaves and other green parts of the plant is translocated to other regions of the plant. At times of reserve mobilization, the phloem is also the tissue through which organic materials are transported from storage regions (roots and tubers) to support new growth.

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golddog

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Very interesting, heard about this before.

I'm subscribed, I will start a test as soon as I harvest or transplant.

Great Post !

Peace - :joint::peace:
 

IAm5toned

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still no response......:wall:
i dont think so.
you have to have a node for a vegatative clone.
on paper, it appears that you could take a clone from a leave, then root it, then use the ensuing root system to make clones. but then your not really cloning a leaf then are you ;)
you could also use deep culture methods to clone from a leaf, as all it requires is a single cell to develop into a callus, then you could introduce hormones to make shoots.... but im no biologist and couldnt begin to tell you how to do his. i know you would need a lab to pull it off however.
 

Hobbes

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" based on this if you can get a leaf to root then sooner or later it will develops calydons then grow into a sprout"

Sorry T5, I replied to what I thought you were asking, in the post directly below yours on the previous page. I assumed that you typed in leaf instead of root. I'm not familiar with leaf cloning.

If I have it wrong please restate in one syllable words, book words confuses me.:

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"The root will not grow more roots until it develops calydons (tiny first leaves) - then we have a sprout." - The sprout grows like any normal sprout, we believe that this may be a way to clone auto flower strains.

With root cloning the root itself will develop "buds" - calydons - which is why some people refer to it as Root Budding. That does give a clearer picture of what we want - calydons to bud on one end of a root. Sprout.

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bongsmilie
 

That 5hit

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i dont think so.
you have to have a node for a vegatative clone.
on paper, it appears that you could take a clone from a leave, then root it, then use the ensuing root system to make clones. but then your not really cloning a leaf then are you ;)
you could also use deep culture methods to clone from a leaf, as all it requires is a single cell to develop into a callus, then you could introduce hormones to make shoots.... but im no biologist and couldnt begin to tell you how to do his. i know you would need a lab to pull it off however.

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" based on this if you can get a leaf to root then sooner or later it will develops calydons then grow into a sprout"

Sorry T5, I replied to what I thought you were asking, in the post directly below yours on the previous page. I assumed that you typed in leaf instead of root. I'm not familiar with leaf cloning.
If I have it wrong please restate in one syllable words, book words confuse me.:

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"The root will not grow more roots until it develops calydons (tiny first leaves) - then we have a sprout." The sprout grows like any normal sprout, we believe that this may be a way to clone auto flower strains.

With root cloning the root itself will develop "buds" - calydons - which is why some people refer to it as Root Budding. That does give a clearer picture of what we want - calydons to bud on one end of a root. Sprout.

bongmsilie
leaf cloning has never been proven, with weed - but i have tried it and at best made the leaf develop roots after a while the fans of the leaf die then i just give up - but next time i will keep the leaf there longer to see if the roots make calydons -- this could be a way of root cloning with out disturbing the roots of a growing plant or waiting 'till harvest to get roots, furthermore this could be done and finshed by harvest,, if it work
 

IAm5toned

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or you could just LST the mom to get adventious roots, and then take the branch that the roots are protruding from.
you can also do this by wrapping the base of branch with cloth/plastic to make a lightproof barrier. roots will form. i forget what the proper term for this is called, it just takes a little longer than traditional cloning with cuttings for the roots to develop
 
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