PK 13/14 before or after shooting powder???

[Silky Shagsalot]

Speaking more generally of the H&G nutes, what concentration of Coco A and B are people using during an 8 week grow? Top Booster and Shooting Powder particularly send the ppms way up.

that's why you reduce your base nutes when using those supps.

 

[jberry]

What's shakin JBERRY???--

Didn't see the coco in thread but what's the scoop with water and coco??? Never heard that. You've probley seen my coco grows. Never had a problem but If I can get more updated info on coco and plain water that would be cool...

Its just good practice to always add at least a small amount of feed to the water...

When you apply plain water you
wash everything out and leave nothing behind.
Then the potassium that the coco generates naturally
in high amounts will serve to lock out other nutrients.

While you may not notice it, it does happen
and decreases the buffering capacity of the coco
so that it is harder to balance the next round of
fertility. Soil or peat mixes hold onto nutrients and
materials so the effect is reduced. By feeding each
watering you never starve the plant or help nutrients
to lock out. It may also be possible to reduce
the aggressiveness of your feed program, better
for the plant, the system, and your pocket.

Consider coco as needing to be ‘fed’ along with
the plants. Once the medium establishes a buffer, which
it will do based on the nutrients it sees right or wrong; the
grower can wipe this out by applying plain water to the
medium. The medium hangs on to nothing and will readily
flush away its nutrients; then the plant will suffer until
the buffer is restored. Always use fertilizer when you water
coco that a plant is actively growing in, at least at about
EC=0.6. This will hold the balance or ratio of the
nutrients to each other and insure that the plant gets exactly
what it needs.

 

[Huh??]

If you don't what's in it, then why buy it? Because of an ad from an old hippie turned super capitalist pig, or forum chatter, cause "everyone is using it"?

These snake oil salemen have this community all figured out regarding its psychology. They are also able to get around the law which governs ag products because it falls into a non-nutritional category. At least that's what I understand about U.S. Agricultural Consumer Protection rules. Correct me if I'm wrong. Try to find a MSDS on this stuff, you can't.

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All you have to do is read the back of the package to find out whats in it.

 

[Silky Shagsalot]

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All you have to do is read the back of the package to find out whats in it.

the back will tell you nothing.... no one knows what's in it. it's junk, and overpriced junk to boot!

 

[Silky Shagsalot]

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All you have to do is read the back of the package to find out whats in it.

the back will tell you nothing.... no one knows what's in it. it's junk, and overpriced junk to boot! kind of a glorified miracle grow, lol...

 

[Huh??]

the back will tell you nothing.... no one knows what's in it. it's junk, and overpriced junk to boot!

Have you ever looked?

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

have you ever tried it silky cos its basically a lot of p and k which most folks use to boost flowering. theres obviously more to it than that but in essence its p and k whick i believe is actually uncle bens thread the never ending abuse of p and k ?!!?!? it is

https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/158144-never-ending-abuse-phosphorous-bloom.html

 

[Uncle Ben]

Have you ever looked?

In the real world, the two salts they're packaging would cost about a dime, if that much. You're paying high dollar prices for hype. Such a product if not used in conjunction with some N will work against you. However, I notice they say to use it along with your basic nutrient, but why all the bullshit and waste of money? Just buy a lb. of Jack's Classic Blossom Booster for about $4.00 USD and get it all. It's a perfectly designed product using high quality salts, a 10-30-20 with micros including an increased amount of Mg to help ward off chlorosis.

 

[Huh??]

I'm not arguing about prices,I agree it is rather expensive.However,it does in fact say whats in it right in the back.

On another note,I recall seeing a thread in which somebody grew ten plants that yeilded fourty two pounds and they were using H&G nutes.I'm not saying that they were the main factor because he was also running 10,000+ watts,but that's the nutrient line he chose to go with and he obviously knew what he was doing.

 

[Uncle Ben]

I'm not arguing about prices,I agree it is rather expensive.However,it does in fact say whats in it right in the back.

That's refreshing.

On another note,I recall seeing a thread in which somebody grew ten plants that yeilded fourty two pounds and they were using H&G nutes.I'm not saying that they were the main factor because he was also running 10,000+ watts,but that's the nutrient line he chose to go with and he obviously knew what he was doing.

Meaningless as it was anecdotal evidence and he had no control group to compare yields with. There's got be some merit with these rocket fuels! Kicker is most of the folks I see using them end up with pathetic results. That could be a result of their growing skills, the products they're choosing, or both.

Having said that, folks tend to put way too much emphasis on "nutes" and not enough on "The Balance". Without everything in balance regarding nutrition and plant vigor, it's just a potshot.

 

[robert 14617]

more is not always better

 

[Huh??]

That's refreshing.

Meaningless as it was anecdotal evidence and he had no control group to compare yields with. There's got be some merit with these rocket fuels! Kicker is most of the folks I see using them end up with pathetic results. That could be a result of their growing skills, the products they're choosing, or both.

Having said that, folks tend to put way too much emphasis on "nutes" and not enough on "The Balance". Without everything in balance regarding nutrition and plant vigor, it's just a potshot.

Yeah,but he wasn't trying to compare them to anything and I'm not either.
You are correct though,using his set up you could get great yields with many different nutrient lines.I can't find the original thread from thcfarmer.com but this is a thread about that thread.
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/281949-42-pounds-10-indoor-trees.html

 

[GreenGaint]

If I was to guess whats in Shooting Powder besides Pharmaceutial grade P&K, I was thinking maybe Creatin, which is L amino Acid (look it up) an important energy for floral development and bulk. Acutally N does play a role in flower development, not Ammonical nitrogen which is for stem and leaves but Nitrate nitrogen. Sometimes the buds seems to have stopped developing and not getting any bigger, the nitrate (stored in leaves) actually gives the buds energy to continuing bud formations

PEACE

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

creatin as in the body builders drug!? that's crazy

 

[masonite420]

Let me dispell the myth...The bottom line is that you get the cleanest results. In look and in taste and that is what house and garden is all about. Without question, Shooting powder is far and away the best finishing agent on the market. In just 24-72 hours, the impact that this bud expander will have on your harvest will be undeniable. Proven to restart aggressive flowering, Shooting Powder induces a second surge of flower production during the last three weeks of the flowering cycle, resulting in a 30% increase in yield. Compatible with all nutrient lines, Shooting Powder is the secret of every successful gardener.
Derived From: Potassium Sulfate, Potassium Carbonate, and Potassium Phosphate
Ingredients Explained: House and Garden’s formulation consists of two main active ingredients; phosphorous and potassium. Phosphorus plays an essential role in photosynthesis and is involved in the production of all oils, starches and sugars. Both a stress reducer as well as a maturation facilitator, phosphorus facilitates rapid growth while boosting flower and root development. Potassium is responsible for water loss and absorption as well as the ability to endure colder temperatures. Potassium is also necessary in the formation of sugars, starches and carbohydrates needed for protein synthesis and cell division.
Application: Apply one sachet into 25 gallons of water three weeks before harvest. Use two sachets per 25 gallons in hydro the last two weeks before harvest, one sachet in soil last two weeks. Peace and good luck

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

its actually raw mono PK i found out a while back. dyed orange of course haha all of the above is true it does what it says on the pack but so does a bottle of canna PK13/14 if you ask me. they may have added a little of this n that to it but the difference is negligeable imho

 

[legallyflying]

I am interested in seeing some side by side comparisons. The commercial flower growing industry uses many of the same hormones that are supposedly in shooting powder. Just because the label lists the npk and the base of that npk, that doesn't mean that is the only thing in the bottle.

I used shooting powder last round and it DID make a difference for sure. The bud growth did not trail off like it usually does and it actually sped up! My buds were way more dense than my buddy running the same genetics as myself. UB is just a jaded old man living in the past. His constant griping about " overpriced snake oils" has just as little merit as baseless advertising. Funny that u choose to pick on super thrive when uncle ben himself did a side by side and noticed increased root development in clones.

To think that plants can not be affected and manipulated by the application of hormones, amino acids, and enzymes is not only naive, it's actually pretty damn stupid. Hormones control everything in a plant from root formation, internode spacing, all the way to flower formation and maturation. As lame as some ads are, people disparaging certain products without a single thread of knowledge about them is even lamer. Just about as lame as people dumping long chain polysaccharide sugars in the root zone expecting the plant to uptake complex carbohydrates and all of a sudden become as fat and sweet as a big piece of candy.

Unfortunately I do not have the luxury of side by side tests as I have a single 70 gallon Rez for all flowering plants. I can tell you from experience though that shooting powder works very very well. If you can put the effort forth to do a side by side I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

sup legally,

i agree with you there is more to it than just P&K but the difference between liquid pk and the shooting powder is pretty small. ive not done side by side but what the hell ive got 9 of the same plants going at the moment just flipped into flower, ill do 4 with each and one with both and post pics here. let the products speak for themselves.

i dont know about superthrive and im not saying that plants are not manipulated by the minerals and organisms we promote in them thats just being blind to facts. all i was trying to say is that the difference is pretty minimal.

 

[Uncle Ben]

The commercial flower growing industry uses many of the same hormones that are supposedly in shooting powder.

Really? And just what are those hormones?

Just because the label lists the npk and the base of that npk, that doesn't mean that is the only thing in the bottle.

And just because it says it contains something the plant mostly need nor will benefit from, is the real issue.

I used shooting powder last round and it DID make a difference for sure.

So you had a control group, clones, exact enviro conditions and you repeated your "experiment" in triplicate?

UB is just a jaded old man living in the past.

I'm a seasoned horticulturalist that's been there, done that. IOW, I'd rather live in the experience of the past than hype of the future.

Funny that u choose to pick on super thrive when uncle ben himself did a side by side and noticed increased root development in clones.

Never said anything of the sort nor have I done what you say I've done. Here's a thread on Superjive: https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/294633-superthrive-superjive.html

....and here's the caveats. http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda Chalker-Scott/Horticultural Myths_files/Myths/Vitamin B1.pdf

To think that plants can not be affected and manipulated by the application of hormones, amino acids, and enzymes is not only naive, it's actually pretty damn stupid.

No one said they aren't affected. The issue is the degree of the affect if any and the results, which you may or may not like.

Guys like you are predictable. You'll believe a money grubbing snake oil saleman before you'll get off your lazy butt and do your homework by sourcing solid facts from a professional, not a partisan vendor out to make a quick buck on the back of some poor fool.

UB

 

[homebrewer]

In just 24-72 hours, the impact that this bud expander will have on your harvest will be undeniable. Proven to restart aggressive flowering, Shooting Powder induces a second surge of flower production during the last three weeks of the flowering cycle, resulting in a 30% increase in yield.

This sounds like that other crappy product from H&g that you were pushing in another thread. What did it do again? Force sugar into the buds creating better flavor and xx% increase in this-or-that? Come on man, rise above that BS.