Need some help please

[justlearning73]

Ok I have been reading and searching. I still have a few questions. My area is 3ft deep x 4 ft wide and is up to 10 feet tall. I figure I can do the spouts on top of main chamber. O out of the dim above I was looking at the main chamber would be 3 x 4 x 7 and the top only 3x4x 2. Does the sound ok? I am only looking to grow for my self and parents. So I guess 3 to 4 plants at a time. I figure 4 to 5 feet tall? All I have is bag seeds. I would like better seads not sure how to go about this safely. I do not have a lot of cash and but would like this to be as effcient as possible. I was thinking 400 MH and 400 HPS as well as some CFL or Flo for side lighting as the plants grow. I was also thing making the reflector for both 400 the same size at the ceiling so that as I adjust up and down the ceiling goes up ann too. I would make cool tubes and the frflector form the DIY section. I also plan to use soil. I hear about using Hydro nuts in the soil as well? Did i misunderstand this? Would the home made CO2 trick with the yeast for this small of a set up? My propane line is not hard to get to my grow area but dont want to have so spend if i dont have too. Any help you guys can provide would be awesome.

 

[justlearning73]

Did I ask this in the wrong location?

 

[YungMoolaBaby]

Nope. Anyways, your plan for the splitting up the rooms sounds good. You could definitely put 2 400w lights in there, but you have to make sure of more than adequate ventilation because that will be a lot of heat. Even if you only have one in there, keep it cool. As for the hydro nutes in soil, I would just buy some fox farm and use that. Don't use hydro nutes for soil. Pick a good soil and they will have great nutes for you anyway. You should purchase a co2 burner and hook it up to your propane line and put that in your flowering section. Your plants will finish faster and they will have many more trichomes.

 

[justlearning73]

Thanks for the reply YMB. I am kinda conserned about the heat my self. I can not afford an ac right now. Should I go to mayby a 250w for both? Co2 burners are kinda expesive too arent they? Couldnt i get the same effect with the bucket? What soil do you recommend. I had tried with the micle grow but was told that it wasnt that good.

 

[dew-b]

Ok I have been reading and searching. I still have a few questions. My area is 3ft deep x 4 ft wide and is up to 10 feet tall. I figure I can do the spouts on top of main chamber. O out of the dim above I was looking at the main chamber would be 3 x 4 x 7 and the top only 3x4x 2. Does the sound ok? I am only looking to grow for my self and parents. So I guess 3 to 4 plants at a time. I figure 4 to 5 feet tall? All I have is bag seeds. I would like better seads not sure how to go about this safely. I do not have a lot of cash and but would like this to be as effcient as possible. I was thinking 400 MH and 400 HPS as well as some CFL or Flo for side lighting as the plants grow. I was also thing making the reflector for both 400 the same size at the ceiling so that as I adjust up and down the ceiling goes up ann too. I would make cool tubes and the frflector form the DIY section. I also plan to use soil. I hear about using Hydro nuts in the soil as well? Did i misunderstand this? Would the home made CO2 trick with the yeast for this small of a set up? My propane line is not hard to get to my grow area but dont want to have so spend if i dont have too. Any help you guys can provide would be awesome.

i would split the room having sprouts on the bottom level. keeping seedlings and a mother plant on the lowest level then use thje higher space for flower. with the heat existon the top of the room removing all heat there. just need a couple of shelves to split room to the desired demetions.just use a 1x2 to hold shelves in place. then later you can redisign by just moving shelves the yeast co2 should be enough for that small of a grow. might need 2 or 3 jugs. just save your empty milk jugs as far i i know you can't use hydro nutes in soil. gl on our grow. may you be cursed with many buds.

 

[justlearning73]

Thanks Dew-b. What do you think about the lights? 400ws too much for the small space? Should I drop down to 250ws and supplimnet with CFLs or flo?

 

[Man o' the green]

I was looking at the main chamber would be 3 x 4 x 7 and the top only 3x4x 2.
So I guess 3 to 4 plants at a time. I figure 4 to 5 feet tall?
All I have is bag seeds. I would like better seads not sure how to go about this safely. I was thinking 400 MH and 400 HPS
Would the home made CO2 trick with the yeast for this small of a set up?

2' height will be too small for your veg chamber once your light is in there if I understand your plan correctly. I suggest something like 5' + 4'. At some point you will want to do clones in there.
More plants might work better in your space, but not as tall, up to 12 perhaps, without special methods.
Seeds are expensive, but relatively safe to get. Practice on bag seeds if you can.
A 400W would be more than adequate for your veg space on top, but flowering, maybe not as much as you want. Dealing with all that heat will be a serious issue regardless, and ventilation will be critical. You may want to consider a lower wattage just for this reason, like a 250/400W setup. Insulate the horizontal divider as much as is reasonable. Remember that the flower section must be light-tight but ventilated.
I wouldn't bother with CO2 until you have a few grows.
good luck.

 

[justlearning73]

would i be better just converting the whole space and doing on batch at a time? just to be clear 250 mh and a 400 hps with suppliment side lighting or no supplimental side lighting? what do you recomend the specs for the lights?

 

[YungMoolaBaby]

If you have an HID in a small room, you don't NEED the supplemental lighting. But seriously, split it up and make your clone/veg area smaller than the flower area. I would use a great soil called Roots Organic or Fox Farm Ocean Forest. Also, the more co2 you have in your room, the less you have to worry about rising temperatures. You don't need an A/C unit AND co2. I would invest in the co2. But if you don't have the funds, get some yeast and sugar and water and put it above the plants. co2 is heavier than air so it will sink and saturate the plants.

 

[svchop889]

one thing you could consider would be to go with just floro tubes and CFLs in the 6500k spectrum on the bottom you could veg in this space and have a mother plant seedlings clones whatever cfls and floro tubs are easy to cool but i would go with 3' of space and 7 on top with a 400w Hps for flowering the plants that way with your fixture in place you could grow them to 5' or more but still have space for veg. you will need a way to raise and lower the hps fixture, and if your going to build a devider between the two i would make the height of that adjustable as well just in case.

 

[dew-b]

Thanks Dew-b. What do you think about the lights? 400ws too much for the small space? Should I drop down to 250ws and supplimnet with CFLs or flo?

i would put the lights in then run them to get an idea of what temps i would have to deal with. then add ventalation to get temps down if too high. if you can't get the temps down then change lights. just run temp tests befor starting grow. then no heat stress. your temps will change when summer gets here.

 

[ripe fruit]

i have about the same size. i run 2400w hps. i have them in sun system ported hoods running a 475cfm fan to cool them. in autum thru spring it works just fine with 2 other fans for cyculation. in the summer i get slammed with the ac i have duct into the home made tent. i grew 12 plants in soil. now im doing hyro and only do 8.

 

[justlearning73]

Hey guys thanks. Yes I was planning on doing a dry run with the lights to see how hot it is going to get. I have ordered my 4' t-5 lights and mylar to coat. I am kinda stuck between a 600 w or the 400w. Either way Will will go with the air cooled tube. I may if I can come up with the money I might get the water cooled tube for the bulb. I am not too worried about sumer as my house AC should help with that. the growroom is in my house, or will be anyway. Shoot Im not sure what I am doing yet. So I am just leaning. So please let me know your suggestions and what not. Thanks for all the help.

 

[justlearning73]

i have about the same size. i run 2400w hps. i have them in sun system ported hoods running a 475cfm fan to cool them. in autum thru spring it works just fine with 2 other fans for cyculation. in the summer i get slammed with the ac i have duct into the home made tent. i grew 12 plants in soil. now im doing hyro and only do 8.

Do you mean 240w or do you really mean 2400w?

 

[ripe fruit]

Do you mean 240w or do you really mean 2400w?

2x400w. my bad bad. i bet if i had 2400ws in there i would start a fire! lol

 

[justlearning73]

LOL then me having 1 -600w HSP and 4-t-5 flo's should be fine with the heat for me. I have already got the mylar to cover walls and the T- flos. Will still do the "dry" run to make sure. Still looking for the right set up for the 600w before I buy it though. I am currently looking at either the GALAXY 600 WATT ELEC. BALLAST or LUMATEK 600 W 120/240 V DIGITAL BALLAST. Both can run either the Mh or HPS lights. Plus the Complete Fresca Sol™ Light System or GREAT WHITE 6 INCH AIR COOLED (8/PLT) everything I found is on Horticultral Source. Any advice on these choices? I dont have a lot of money so that is why I am asking. If i get the Sol system I figure I can just hook up my water line direct from under the house. Would this be a problem?