My first grow seems to have problems. please help me!

dunnor

Member
Hello there.
This is my first thread, so i will try to make it as good as possible.

The plant i have is a Lowryder 2 and i have planted for 20 days.
I am using a 400w HPS lamp which is above it 40cm.
I havent used any nutrient only the soil Biobizz All-Mix
I use a 5 liter pot and i am watering it half liter of water everyday.
The light period i use is 18 hours of light and 6 hours of darkness.

The problem i have is that the leaves that are in the bottom of the plant have a yellowish stamp on them and they seem to have dried out.

here are the pictures i took today in order for you to take a look.













Does anyone know what is happening with my plant. What am i doing wrong? Should i buy any kind of fertilizer or whatever?

Please help me because i think my plant is dying.



Thank you in advance.
 

GeeTee

Well-Known Member
hey man looks like ur plants are having heat stress from the way ther curling. wats ur temps? and the "stamp" marks cood b from water jus sittin on ur leaf and the light is burning it. also do not water everyday cood cause root rot. water only wen u stick ur finger in the soil bout 1-2inches down and its dry. if its still moist let it go another day w/o water
 

dunnor

Member
hey man looks like ur plants are having heat stress from the way ther curling. wats ur temps? and the "stamp" marks cood b from water jus sittin on ur leaf and the light is burning it. also do not water everyday cood cause root rot. water only wen u stick ur finger in the soil bout 1-2inches down and its dry. if its still moist let it go another day w/o water
Thank you for your quick response.
I know i am having problem with my temperature, which i will try to solve by getting my homebox XS tomorow.

The leaf problem is not water on them because i am watering it very carefully with no drops falling to the leafs.

What else could be the problem?

thanks again
 

robert 14617

Well-Known Member
Plant moisture stress

Plant moisture stress - symptoms and solutions


Contributed by: Uncle Ben


Photo reflects leaf cupping and instances of tip burn here and there, caused by high temperatures from a HPS lamp.Quite often I hear groans from folks having leaf problems - ?Help, my leaves are cupping and the leaf edges are turning brown!?, or, ?My plant's leaf tips are curling down and turning black ....what's wrong?? Unless insect damage has occurred or the plant is suffering from a severe case of calcium deficiency, the plant is trying to tell you that it is water stressed. It's hard to tell *exactly* what the culprit is, and unfortunately the ?solution? the grower chooses many times is not the right one. A mis-diagnosis only serves to make matters worse by promoting further decline. I?ll try to cover some of the more common causes that can induce these common symptoms and try to offer a few simple solutions. The ultimate and correct solution is in the hands of the grower.

1. Over-fertilizing - the most common cause of leaf cupping aka leaf margin rolling, leaf margin burn, and leaf tip curl/burn is the overzealous use of too much plant food in relationship to factors such as plant vigor and rate of growth. The first unit of a plant to show moisture stress is the leaf at its margins and/or tips, reflected by margin rolling (cupping) or burning. A hard, crispy feel to the leaf frequently occurs as well, as opposed to a soft and cool feel of a happy leaf. When you have a high concentration of salts in solution (or in the root medium) compared to lower salinity levels found in the plant?s tissue, water is actually drawn out of the plant across the root gradient in order to fix the ppm imbalance. IOW, this is a natural, osmotic response that serves to equalize salinity levels on both sides of the root?s epidermal gradient. Back off on the amount and/or frequency of plant food. Too much plant food can also burn the roots, especially the sensitive root tips, which then creates another set of problems. Note for the bio folks - as soil dries, the concentration of the remaining salts rises further exacerbating the problem.

2. High Heat - the plant is losing water via it?s leaves faster than what can be replaced by the root system. The leaf responds by leaf margin cupping or rolling (up or down) in order to conserve moisture. A good example is reflected by the appearance of broad-bladed turf grass on a hot summer day, high noon, with low soil moisture levels - the leaf blade will roll in and the grass will take on a dull, greyish-green appearance. Upon sunrise when moisture levels have returned to normal, the leaf blade will be flat. Lower the heat and concentrate on developing a large, robust root system by practicing sound plant culture. An efficient and effective root system will go a long way to prevent heat induced leaf dessication and leaf margin curling. One short episode of high heat is enough to permanently disable or destroy leaf tissue and cause a general decline in the leaves affected, which often occurs to leaves found at the top of the plant located near HID lamps. The damaged leaf (usually) does not fully recover, no matter what you do. Bummer in the summer. One can only look to new growth for indications that the problem has been corrected.

3. High Light - yes, it?s true, you can give our faves too much light. Cannabis does not receive full sun from sunrise to sunset in its natural state. It is shaded or given reduced light levels because of adjacent plant material, cloudy conditions, rain, dust, twilight periods of early morning and late afternoon, and light intensity changes caused by a change in the seasons. Too much light mainly serves to bleach out and destroy chlorophyll as opposed to causing leaf cupping, but it often goes hand-in-hand with high heat for indoor growers. Again, back off on the light and concentrate on developing/maintaining an efficient and robust root system.

4. Overwatering - this practice only serves to weaken the root system by depriving the roots of proper gas exchange. IOW, the roots are not getting enough oxygen which creates an anerobic condition causing root decline and root rot with the end result showing up as leaf stress, stunted growth, and in severe cases, death. Alot of times folks think the plant is not getting enough plant food (which it can't under such adverse conditions), they add more nutes for a "curative", and just add insult to injury.

5. Underwatering - not only is the plant now stressed due to a low supply of adequate moisture, but carbohydrate production has been greatly compromised (screwed up). Step up the watering frequency, and if need be, organic growers may need to water from the bottom up until moisture levels reach a norm throughout the medium. If the pot feels light to the lift - it?s time to water. Don?t wait until the soil pulls away from the sides of the pot or leaves droop before you water. And of course, leach once in a while to get rid of excess salts
 

robb6021

Member
Thats the most obvious case of the light being too close that I've ever seen. I run an air cooled (i have a 4" inline duct fan for cooling) 400w MH/HPS setup and anything closer than 16 inches produces slight leaf curl. I would raise you rlight like 6-8 inches till they recover then watch them closely. I usually have to adjust my height every other day. I try to ride the line btwn leaf curl and doing great, just to maximize the light.
 

jnuggs

Well-Known Member
Place the back of your hand under the light. When you can comfortably hold it there without it being too warm, then you know the closest your plant canopy should be to the light. Also, what are your temperature and humidity levels? And your water source? and what is the PH level of the water you use to feed your plant, and the PH of the runoff?
At this point in time I would say that your light is too close, and you're over watering. It appears to me like her leaves are transpiring faster than her roots are able to replenish the water! Raise that light up a bit, try to keep your temperatures reasonable(80 or 85 MAXXX man!) I'm betting they're going to start needing some nutrients soon.
 

dunnor

Member
thank you so much for your responses.

i have moved my HPS lamp more away from my plant. and i will stop overwatering it. i am gonna fix my humidity problems and i hope that everything will be ok.

Thank you all very much.
 

jawbrodt

Well-Known Member
Am I the only one that thinks the top of that plant would be absolutely fried, if the light was close enough to burn the bottom leaves like that? Seems to me, that the tops would be charcoal by now, if it was that hot. Sure as hell looks like heat stress, but I've never seen it burn all the way to the bottom like that. Hmmm.....I think there's another culprit.(likely watering, humidity, possibly combined with PH)

Also, I run non-cooled open reflectors on my 400 HPSs and have them all at 35-40 cm as we speak. The humidity is 25%, and the temps hover close to 85*, and only ever experienced very slight curling of the very top leaves. I run an oscillating fan over the tops, constantly, so maybe that's why? Still seems awful strange to get burnt that low, without destroying the tops totally. I could be wrong, but I'm just pointing that out. :wink:
 

dunnor

Member
Am I the only one that thinks the top of that plant would be absolutely fried, if the light was close enough to burn the bottom leaves like that? Seems to me, that the tops would be charcoal by now, if it was that hot. Sure as hell looks like heat stress, but I've never seen it burn all the way to the bottom like that. Hmmm.....I think there's another culprit.(likely watering, humidity, possibly combined with PH)

Also, I run non-cooled open reflectors on my 400 HPSs and have them all at 35-40 cm as we speak. The humidity is 25%, and the temps hover close to 85*, and only ever experienced very slight curling of the very top leaves. I run an oscillating fan over the tops, constantly, so maybe that's why? Still seems awful strange to get burnt that low, without destroying the tops totally. I could be wrong, but I'm just pointing that out. :wink:

so mate what do you suggest? because i see that my top leaves are very good with vivid colours but the lower ones are somewhat rotten. i hope it will not ruin my first harvest. i neeed to smoke it its been 15 days since my last cigarete. :P

should i change my light hours to 12/12, now i am at 18 light 6 darkness.
 

jawbrodt

Well-Known Member
so mate what do you suggest? because i see that my top leaves are very good with vivid colours but the lower ones are somewhat rotten. i hope it will not ruin my first harvest. i neeed to smoke it its been 15 days since my last cigarete. :P

should i change my light hours to 12/12, now i am at 18 light 6 darkness.

I think you're PH is way low, burning the leaves, and starting to cause lockout. I fed one of my previous generations with 5.2 fert for a few feeding, and was getting curling like that, and yellowing on the lower leaves. It wasn't as severe as your case, but was damn near the same. I know you said you haven't fed them yet, so is there anything you could've done to throw the PH off? Do you have any way to check the soil or the runoff? Also, I would wait a few more days until you know what the problem is, before you switch to 12/12. It'll kill your yield if you don't get this fixed, so i wouldn't risk it.
 

dunnor

Member
I think you're PH is way low, burning the leaves, and starting to cause lockout. I fed one of my previous generations with 5.2 fert for a few feeding, and was getting curling like that, and yellowing on the lower leaves. It wasn't as severe as your case, but was damn near the same. I know you said you haven't fed them yet, so is there anything you could've done to throw the PH off? Do you have any way to check the soil or the runoff? Also, I would wait a few more days until you know what the problem is, before you switch to 12/12. It'll kill your yield if you don't get this fixed, so i wouldn't risk it.
i havent done anything to throw the ph off.
i only used the all mix biobizz and mineral water. i only have this plant with a lamp of 400w. today the situation is much worse. i touch the low leaves and they broke. they have dried out as hell. but the leaves in the upper plant is in excelent shape. i dont know what is hapening.
 

Southern.IL.Buds

Active Member
Check your upper leaf stems, if they are purple you need to get that girl some nitrogen.
If they are not, I would suggest flushing your plant with a gallon of water, transplanting it to a larger pot, and next time you water, give her a tablespoon o molasses per gallon of water
 

dunnor

Member
here are some pictures i got today of my plant everything seems to be good in the upper leaves. but the lower leaves are getting worse. i have taken some photos close up in order to get a better look of what is going on.

i am waiting for your comments and advices









 

GeeTee

Well-Known Member
hey dunner. the damage leaves will not git any bttr they will die and jus fall off. as long as ur new growth is lookin good ur ok man. like i sayed git ur temps in chek cux u have a really bad cas of heat stress
 
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