Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)

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tebor

tebor

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CrackerJax said:
I didn't ignore it, but you haven't answered it either.

My premise is that LAW abiding citizens have nothing to fear from the Patriot Act.

I stand by that... because it's true. I mean, it's been in place now for 8 years ... where's the list of ppl crushed? There should be hundreds if not thousands of cases of oppression and yet ... all we hear are WORDS.

The WORDS don't jive with the ACTION. The WORDS are false.
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Maybe you missed my other post. Where I provided a few specific incidents of the patriot act screwing over law abiding citizens,Which nobody on this forum is unless they are lucky enough to live in a medical state.
I'li repost it:

Where to begin?

And I am not a law abiding citizen. I am a drug user that "supports terrorism" by buying and using drugs. I have no rights.

the New York Times reported incidents of the patriot act being used to investigate alleged potential drug traffickers without probable cause.

The article also mentions a study by Congress that referenced hundreds of cases where the USA PATRIOT Act was used to investigate non-terrorist alleged future crimes.

In November 2005, Business Week reported that the FBI had issued tens of thousands of "National Security Letters" and had obtained one million financial records from the customers of targeted Las Vegas businesses. Selected businesses included casinos, storage warehouses and car rental agencies. An anonymous Justice official claimed that such requests were permitted under section 505 of the USA PATRIOT Act and despite the volume of requests insisted "We are not inclined to ask courts to endorse fishing expeditions".

This didn't just include financial records, but credit records, employment records, and in some cases, health records.
Furthermore, this information is databased and maintained indefinitely by the FBI. Previous legislation required that federal law enforcement destroy any records harvested during an investigation that pertained to anyone deemed innocent. The Patriot Act superseded that and now the records are maintained indefinitely. According to the legislation, they may be "shared with third-parties where appropriate" yet no where in the legislation does it define who these third parties are or what conditions would be deemed appropriate for the sharing of such records.
The large scale wiretapping and tracing of calls to and from foreign countries also falls under this. Millions of phone records were harvested, fed into a database and were searched for patterns of calling to and from numbers of known terrorists. To date, there have been no announced arrests from this program.
Public libraries have been asked to turn over their records for specific terminals. A few have filed suit, because the National Security Letters that they were presented with were very sweeping, demanding information not just on the individual under investigation, but on everyone who had used specific terminals at the libraries during given time windows. Since many of the users in one case were minor children, one library felt that it had an obligation to notify the parents. The FBI has disagreed and the case is now working its way through the court system.




In May 2004, Professor Steve Kurtz of the University at Buffalo reported his wife's death of heart failure. The associate art professor, who works in the biotechnology sector, was using benign bacterial cultures and biological equipment in his work. Police arriving at the scene found the equipment (which had been displayed in museums and galleries throughout Europe and North America) suspicious and notified the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The next day the FBI, Joint Terrorism Task Force, Department of Homeland Security and numerous other law enforcement agencies arrived in HAZMAT gear and cordoned off the block surrounding Kurtz's house, impounding computers, manuscripts, books, and equipment, and detaining Kurtz without charge for 22 hours; the Erie County Health Department condemned the house as a possible "health risk" while the cultures were analyzed. Although it was determined that nothing in the Kurtz's home posed any health or safety risk, the Justice Department sought charges under Section 175 of the US Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act—a law which was expanded by the USA PATRIOT Act. A grand jury rejected those charges, but Kurtz is still charged with federal criminal mail and wire fraud, and faced 20 years in jail before the charges were dropped. Supporters worldwide argue that this is a politically motivated prosecution, akin to those seen during the era of McCarthyism, and legal observers note that it is a precedent-setting case with far-reaching implications involving the criminalization of free speech and expression for artists, scientists, researchers, and others.



and thats just the tip of the iceberg. They are just getting started.
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tebor

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The ACLU and an unnamed Internet service provider challenged the FBI's use of expanded powers under the Patriot Act to compel Internet access firms to turn over information about their customers or subscribers. The companies were then barred from ever disclosing the searches took place.

The Department of Justice Inspector General issued a report last week detailing the FBI's misuse of national security letters to collect information about innocent Americans without any connection to terrorism.



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wyteboi

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Keenly said:
but SHIT i was so happy today, listening to 98.5 (98 rock in the sac area) today on my way to work, dogface and joe were talking about charlie sheen and how he came out and said it was an inside job

dogface , being the prick he is supposed to act like as a counter personality to joe, denounced it and everything

then something amazing happened, a listener called in and recommended they both watch loose change, and they were instantly interested

made my day that i heard them say they would both watch it, being famous radio dj's played throughout california
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and this is what it is all about :clap:
thats the shit that makes my day too!
they do not have top believe everything in loose change but at least they are giving it a chance. CJ ?
 
wyteboi

wyteboi

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CrackerJax said:
I didn't ignore it, but you haven't answered it either.

My premise is that LAW abiding citizens have nothing to fear from the Patriot Act.

I stand by that... because it's true. I mean, it's been in place now for 8 years ... where's the list of ppl crushed? There should be hundreds if not thousands of cases of oppression and yet ... all we hear are WORDS.

The WORDS don't jive with the ACTION. The WORDS are false.
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It must be nice to live in your lil "law abiding" world.
it all goes back to the comprehension thing, you think people dont go to jail wrongfully EVERYDAY? you really think this does not apply to you?
Like i said plenty of times , YOU NEED TO READ CJ.
or at least answer some of the Q's thrown at u ?
 
wyteboi

wyteboi

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tebor said:
I typed out some key issues.
Will somebody that supports the patriot act address them?
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wont happen. they will just say ur crazy and then go to the next post and say i am crazy.


bottom line is , even if i am crazy , i know more about this war then you will ever care to CJ.
READ CJ ! its good for ya.
 
wyteboi

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"New York Times reported incidents of the patriot act being used to investigate alleged potential drug traffickers without probable cause."
Which means if i told on u for something then they could hold you until they see fit WITHOUT cause. that goes for you too cj.
it wont always happen this way but the rights have been took. you dont have to be a fuckin criminal for the patriot act to take some of your rights away!
CIA is allowed to launder money (thats their job) but that dont affect YOU right this second so who cares....)
 
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fdd2blk

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wyteboi said:
??? off topic again.
Must just be intended for CJ. he will love this even though it has nothing to do with dems and how they are ruining our world.
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4 posts ago YOU quoted keenly who said he heard charlie sheen say it was an inside job. charlie sheen and his wife are crack addicts.

nice, reputable source. :clap:

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/01/08/2010-01-08_charlie_sheens_wife_brooke_mueller_went_to_rehab_for_crack_addiction_report.html


once again, i have to explain my posts. :dunce:
 
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fdd2blk

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you all think you have some superior knowledge and most of you can't even follow along on a pot forum. i have to explain shit in this section more so then in the grow sections. you all make my day. :)
 
wyteboi

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fdd2blk said:
4 posts ago YOU quoted keenly who said he heard charlie sheen say it was an inside job. charlie sheen and his wife are crack addicts.

nice, reputable source. :clap:

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/01/08/2010-01-08_charlie_sheens_wife_brooke_mueller_went_to_rehab_for_crack_addiction_report.html


once again, i have to explain my posts. :dunce:
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nothing to explain. most of us know charlie thinks it was an inside job.
NO ONE on here said he was a source?

he is just a good way to get it out there, most americans will believe him (or look into it theirselves) because he is charlie sheen.
he got your attention quick.

u just like to see people argue.
 
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fdd2blk

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most americans will believe him?

where the fuck do you all come up with this shit?

i like to argue? you are telling me a crack addicted wife abuser inspires me. of course i'm gonna argue. or at least laugh. i do laugh at all this.


just so you know, ... he is NOT a good way to "get it out there". i've read more about his personal vices than i have about how he feels about 911. so what's that tell you?
 
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fdd2blk

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wyteboi said:
??? off topic again.
Must just be intended for CJ. he will love this even though it has nothing to do with dems and how they are ruining our world.
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fdd2blk said:
4 posts ago YOU quoted keenly who said he heard charlie sheen say it was an inside job. charlie sheen and his wife are crack addicts.

nice, reputable source. :clap:

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/01/08/2010-01-08_charlie_sheens_wife_brooke_mueller_went_to_rehab_for_crack_addiction_report.html


once again, i have to explain my posts. :dunce:
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wyteboi said:
nothing to explain. most of us know charlie thinks it was an inside job.
NO ONE on here said he was a source?

he is just a good way to get it out there, most americans will believe him (or look into it theirselves) because he is charlie sheen.
he got your attention quick.

u just like to see people argue.
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am i the only one getting this. maybe it's just me. :neutral:
 
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fdd2blk

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Keenly said:
i guess the number one reason i wouldnt vote for jesse is because i honestly hate the sound of his voice


he loves to hear himself talk and he talks very slowly so it takes him forever to say something



cool dude though


but SHIT i was so happy today, listening to 98.5 (98 rock in the sac area) today on my way to work, dogface and joe were talking about charlie sheen and how he came out and said it was an inside job


dogface , being the prick he is supposed to act like as a counter personality to joe, denounced it and everything

then something amazing happened, a listener called in and recommended they both watch loose change, and they were instantly interested

made my day that i heard them say they would both watch it, being famous radio dj's played throughout california


whats cool about them is joe is an avid marijuana smoker, and when he smokes during the show, they call it "moving the car" lol
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wyteboi said:
nothing to explain. most of us know charlie thinks it was an inside job.
NO ONE on here said he was a source?

he is just a good way to get it out there, most americans will believe him (or look into it theirselves) because he is charlie sheen.
he got your attention quick.

u just like to see people argue.
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this would be fun, if it weren't so embarrassing. :sad:
 
wyteboi

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fdd2blk said:
most americans will believe him?

where the fuck do you all come up with this shit?
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believe him "OR LOOK INTO IT THEIRSELVES" <you left that part out?
The number 1 search on yahoo right now is priscilla presley . people (not just americans , sorry if i said it wrong) are alot more interested in "stars" and games and shit like that, then they are boring history or current events, so alot more people would rather hear charlie say it then a boring guy on youtube. anyways fdd u know exactly where im goin with this.

fdd2blk said:
i like to argue? you are telling me a crack addicted wife abuser inspires me. of course i'm gonna argue. or at least laugh. i do laugh at all this.
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see you brought up charlie to begin with, keen was just talkin about his day, not charlie.

and you know him thats my point. when did u find out he was a crackhead ect...? that probably changed your view on him alot. but u still know him and read about him.
i never even thought he inspired u, let alone say it.

fdd2blk said:
just so you know, ... he is NOT a good way to "get it out there". i've read more about his personal vices than i have about how he feels about 911. so what's that tell you?
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this backs up my point.


it might be fun for u to laugh at us but dont jump in just to add more pages.:bigjoint:

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wyteboi

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:confused: maybe i am just stupid or slow cause i really am lost now. O'well it happens to all of us.
i still made MY point. if i was a jackass while doing so then fuck it :bigjoint:
 
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well FDD, your sort of wrong, in the sense that i did not use charlie sheen as a source..

never even tried to... if you will read the entire post i made i was telling a story of something that happened that made me happy that day

i was not sourcing the sheen, i dont quite understand how just because you saw that i wrote his name down that i was sourcing him, you gotta read the entire posts man
 
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