Hydroponics Question and Answer NewGrowth Style

scooby83

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i went to check my plant 2 day and 1 leave from new growth right at the top of my plant was half droopy like soggy paper or somet

read up on it and it say from over watering but im using a aqua farm that constantly feeds them pulled it out today and the roots have gone into the res boot the roots are bright white

here is some pix any help out there or any one who has had this problem

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NewGrowth

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Scooby your posts are huge man it takes me like 5min just to scroll down to the reply button on this little lap-top.

:lol: Don't worry your plant looks great they never grow 'perfectly' from what I can see your plant is super healthy, did you tie it down yet?

Make sure you post some big bud shots here in a few weeks :weed:
 

KingInDaCloset

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Sounds like you are running a pretty mild nutrient solution. The problem with organic nutrients and hydro is getting a good balance of beneficial microbes in the solution. I've not heard much success from people using fox-farm brand nutrients in hydroponics. Do your plants look healthy? Have you checked the calibration on your pH meter?

The only other thing I can think of is trying a microbial inoculant and maybe a humic acid additive. Clean out your pumps filters too, sometimes crap can build up inside your pumps and cause pH issues. Such a large drop sounds like a bad pH meter though.
Hi, Thanks for the response. I think you had it earlier when you suggested that the uptake of the plants was greater than I thought. pH meter is working, human operator is f*cking up. Looked in my note journal and saw I forgot to top off that reservoir.
Big plan is to switch to Earth Juice soon for the micro blast & true organics. My plants have been happy as hell with the Fox Farms except for when I goof.
Happy gardening! GrowIT!:leaf:
 

NewGrowth

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Hi, Thanks for the response. I think you had it earlier when you suggested that the uptake of the plants was greater than I thought. pH meter is working, human operator is f*cking up. Looked in my note journal and saw I forgot to top off that reservoir.
Big plan is to switch to Earth Juice soon for the micro blast & true organics. My plants have been happy as hell with the Fox Farms except for when I goof.
Happy gardening! GrowIT!:leaf:
Cool glad to hear it! I had heard good stuff about people using it in soil but no one in hydro. Earth Juice is good stuff I know people that like their Meta-K to bulk up flowers.:bigjoint:
 

KiloBit

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hey bro I just found this...I gotta cut down on my smoking....:lol:

anyhow, I got a question but not sure if this thread is the place to post it....but seeing as we kinda know each other I figured I'd give it a shot....this is more to do with DWC and nutrients....the nutrients I am using are the General Hydroponics suite of nutes....they have a chart for measuring in reference to a US gallon ie. 5ml micro 7.5ml grow 2.5ml bloom etc.....do these need to be adjusted for DWC ?.....thinking these measurements are with hydroponics in mind....I do believe they are different grow types...:leaf:
 

NewGrowth

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hey bro I just found this...I gotta cut down on my smoking....:lol:

anyhow, I got a question but not sure if this thread is the place to post it....but seeing as we kinda know each other I figured I'd give it a shot....this is more to do with DWC and nutrients....the nutrients I am using are the General Hydroponics suite of nutes....they have a chart for measuring in reference to a US gallon ie. 5ml micro 7.5ml grow 2.5ml bloom etc.....do these need to be adjusted for DWC ?.....thinking these measurements are with hydroponics in mind....I do believe they are different grow types...:leaf:
What's up Kilo? Good to see you man, I think you are well experienced and accomplished in DWC. GH is made for hydroponic systems as you can see by your beautiful buds and DWC is a "pure" hydroponic system. There is little to no difference in the rate of nutrient absorbtion between a recirculating hydro system and a good DWC system.

Have you tried GH Kool Bloom? Great product from GH :peace:
 

Consciousness420

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Nice to find this Q/A thread..
NewGrowth, I noticed you have grown the white widow max strain so I wanted to ask you a question about that strain because I am at about the 7th week of flowering and I know you suggested that instead of going to merely the 8th week, one should let it go to about the 10th week. So I think I will do that, but what about the nute mix? Im using GH Flora series.. at this point, I have weened it off of the FloraGro and so now only using a two part mix of FloraMicro and FloraBloom (20mL/Gallon of Micro and 40mL/Gallon of Bloom).. do you think this is an ok mix - what do you think is the best amount of nutrients in mL/Gallon and at what ratio for the last few weeks of flowering this strain? Also, I've noticed that at this point, it looks as though the yield is decent BUT the bud itself does not seem to be terribly dense, I clipped off a sample and dried it for 3 days, and it's a bit airy with long pistils, like a chia pet bud. Any tips on this strain would be awesome.. Thanks man..
 

NewGrowth

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Nice to find this Q/A thread..
NewGrowth, I noticed you have grown the white widow max strain so I wanted to ask you a question about that strain because I am at about the 7th week of flowering and I know you suggested that instead of going to merely the 8th week, one should let it go to about the 10th week. So I think I will do that, but what about the nute mix? Im using GH Flora series.. at this point, I have weened it off of the FloraGro and so now only using a two part mix of FloraMicro and FloraBloom (20mL/Gallon of Micro and 40mL/Gallon of Bloom).. do you think this is an ok mix - what do you think is the best amount of nutrients in mL/Gallon and at what ratio for the last few weeks of flowering this strain? Also, I've noticed that at this point, it looks as though the yield is decent BUT the bud itself does not seem to be terribly dense, I clipped off a sample and dried it for 3 days, and it's a bit airy with long pistils, like a chia pet bud. Any tips on this strain would be awesome.. Thanks man..
I just copy and pasted this but I think it will answer your question pretty well. The Lucas formula is basically the perfect GH 3 part formula for growing pot and has been used by growers for years. That white widow sounds awesome, one of my favorite strains.:weed:

General Hydroponics Flora Series Feeding Strategy - Lucas Formula

G-M-B (Grow-Micro-Bloom)
0-5-10 - For Vegetative cycle (18/6)
0-8-16 - For Flowering cycle (12/12)

The numbers above indicate the number of milliliters (ml) of Flora Grow, Micro or Bloom formulas that I use in one gallon (US Liquid) of nutrients.

You will notice I dont use any of the Flora “Grow” formula, do not need to, the Flora "Micro" provides plenty of Nitrogen.

There are two ways to work with this formula:

1. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected water solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. After adding back an amount of water equal to the amount of your reservoir capacity you should change the reservoir and put in fresh solution.

2. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected 100% strength nutrient solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. Continue to use this nutrient solution without dumping the tank unless the PPM rises above acceptable levels.

Between vegetative and flowering cycles you should dump your nutrients, then flush (possibly with Clearex) to remove salt buildups, then change to the other feeding program. Always shake your GH nutrient bottles before using them!

For young plants, just transplanted into the hydro setup, give them 50% strength nutrient mix to prevent overfeeding them while their young. Gradually bring up the mix to full strength as they grow over the next few weeks or so.

The lucas formula is normally intended for use with RO or near 0 PPM water.

NOTE: The Lucas formula eliminates the need for Epsom salts to correct (Magnesium) Mg deficiencies in most normal feeding programs recommended by manufacturers. Cannabis needs a lot of Magnesium to thrive.

The Flora Micro is providing the Nitrogen and the Magnesium in the proper balance, thus there is no need for the Grow formula and little or no room under the maximum acceptable ppm limit of 1600 @ 0.7 conversion.

Calculated EC/TDS levels:

EC microsiemen:
0-4-8: 946 µS
0-5-10: 1184 µS
0-8-16: 1894 µS

TDS @ 0.5 conversion:
0-4-8 = 473 ppm
0-5-10 = 592 ppm
0-8-16 = 947 ppm

TDS @ 0.7 conversion:
0-4-8 = 663 ppm
0-5-10 = 829 ppm
0-8-16 = 1326 ppm

Addback Calculator - (For Advanced Users)

Say you were running the 0-8-16 formula, at 0.7 conversion with a 22 gallon res. When you first fill it up, your ppm will be around 1330.

Now you have been growing for a week, and some of the water has been taken up by the plants, some has evaporated, and now your res is at 947 ppm. You need to get your ppm from 947 to 1330. Here is the equation:

((target - current) / target) * 8 ml per gallon * res gallons = Flora Micro (ml) double this figure to get Flora Bloom (ml)

Example:

((1330 - 947) / 1330) * 8 * 22
(383 / 1330) * 8 * 22
0.3 * 8 * 22 = 53 ml Flora Micro

53 ml Flora Micro, double that and you get 106 ml Flora Bloom. So 53 ml Flora Micro and 106 ml Flora Bloom to add back to your 22 gallon res to get you from 947 to 1330.

Using Hard Water GH Micro

I had been experimenting with using the Hard water Micro as a substitute for the normal Flora Micro, this to account for my hard 350 PPM water and the lack of a large enough RO filter at the time. It has worked well for me. I just kept my reservoir below 1150 PPM @ .5 conversion and its all good.

One tip - do not pH down this stuff, the hard water micro will drop pH gradually over the next 24 hours, for example I mix up a batch, it is at like 6.2, the next day, its at 5.6-5.8 after running in the system for a while. If I pH downed that to 5.7 before putting it in the system, it ended up as low as 4.8-5.2 by the next day.

My conclusion, the hard water micro was buffering the alkaline crud in my water, it just doesnot do it ASAP fast like the phosphoric acid.
 

Crispyone

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Hi just found this thread and it great. i understand you dont do hydro now but please take a look at my girls. saturday i moved them from the tent to under the 1000hsp to fill out for the next couple weeks. they were under 400 of cfl's. theres 10 WW and 10 fem. BB im working with on my 1st grow with help from others.

nutes WERE AN organic iguana juice. they werent doing well till i added hygrozine and superthrive to the resi which was 12 gallons. then the greened up and looked great. leaves were pointing straight up and just doing well.

my resi was always nasty smelling with foam on the top. really hated it.

they were in 4" rockwool with a couple inchs of hygroton. now there under 1000hsp, 18 of light, in 8" net pot with hygroton 2" from the top.

New resi is 40 gallons. right after i made the new resi i fed them, then later in the day the resi turned smelly with the foam. SHIT. the whole place stunk real bad.

i noticed right before i moved them a couple started showing signs of mag lock out. i panicked cause i let the ph go to the high 6's. im religious about my ph and always keep it between 5-6.3. one reason why i moved them.

i found this thread and thought exactly what i needed was a simple nute. my ppm gauge didnt work with organic so that was hit or miss.

sooo i dumped the shitty res rinsed for and hour, flushed the plants for about 3 gallons of ph water from the top. went to the hydro store and bought some ionic and h2o2.

i mixed them up the correct amount of h2o2 for my resi size, ionic grow, the bottle wanted 4 tsp per gal. i gave it 54 tsp. 160 tsp would be full strength . my ppm was 300.

they showed signs of to much water so i let them go over a day without a feeding and tonight there worse. so here i am doing the one thing i said i would never do post pictures on the internet.

i dont know if there over watered or under fed. my brain is drained from dealing with work and now this is keeping me up. these are netherlands seeds that i paid alot for so id hate to start over.

what 1st appeared to be mag lock out now is looking like burn to me but the ppm is low 400's now. But are they starving? plants are 3 weeks into my so called veg and 5 weeks from seeds. all 20 of these seeds popped in less then 24 hours after sitting in my desk for 2 years. :shock:

just remembered i added AN cal mag when they 1st showed what i thought was mag def.


so if i missed something lmk

thanks so much and boy do i hope someone is reading this lol.

crispy
 

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NewGrowth

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Hi just found this thread and it great. i understand you dont do hydro now but please take a look at my girls. saturday i moved them from the tent to under the 1000hsp to fill out for the next couple weeks. they were under 400 of cfl's. theres 10 WW and 10 fem. BB im working with on my 1st grow with help from others.

nutes WERE AN organic iguana juice. they werent doing well till i added hygrozine and superthrive to the resi which was 12 gallons. then the greened up and looked great. leaves were pointing straight up and just doing well.

my resi was always nasty smelling with foam on the top. really hated it.
Well for a bit there I was messing with organics but it was just too damn messy. I'm still a hydro guy though, I grow in coco-coir now. Still dabble in organics though.

they were in 4" rockwool with a couple inchs of hygroton. now there under 1000hsp, 18 of light, in 8" net pot with hygroton 2" from the top.

New resi is 40 gallons. right after i made the new resi i fed them, then later in the day the resi turned smelly with the foam. SHIT. the whole place stunk real bad.
I assume this is a flood table? Could not tell from your pics . . .

i noticed right before i moved them a couple started showing signs of mag lock out. i panicked cause i let the ph go to the high 6's. im religious about my ph and always keep it between 5-6.3. one reason why i moved them.
I don't think it a mag problem, root-zone problems can cause yellowing like this, especially when old roots are dying off and the plant is trying to regenerate new roots to survive.

i found this thread and thought exactly what i needed was a simple nute. my ppm gauge didnt work with organic so that was hit or miss.

sooo i dumped the shitty res rinsed for and hour, flushed the plants for about 3 gallons of ph water from the top. went to the hydro store and bought some ionic and h2o2.

i mixed them up the correct amount of h2o2 for my resi size, ionic grow, the bottle wanted 4 tsp per gal. i gave it 54 tsp. 160 tsp would be full strength . my ppm was 300
Not enough Ionic for your size plants, I like to measure in ml it is just easier for me. 10ml/gal is half dose and what your should be running along with a bit of superthrive to help with the stress.

they showed signs of to much water so i let them go over a day without a feeding and tonight there worse. so here i am doing the one thing i said i would never do post pictures on the internet.

i dont know if there over watered or under fed. my brain is drained from dealing with work and now this is keeping me up. these are netherlands seeds that i paid alot for so id hate to start over.
First step, calm down don't try to overdo it. Your plants don't look too bad, they are DEFINITELY overwatered. I think the other symptoms you are seeing (yellow leaves) are also being caused by overwatering. How often are you flooding your table? Rockwool can hold a lot of water so being so small they may only need to be fed every other day. You do however have to be sure that when they are watered they receive the correct amount of nutrients. Bump up you Ionic grow to 10ml/gal, add some superthrive, and flood less often. They will not bounce back right away and the damaged foliage may die totally but if it is showing healthy green new growth in a few days you are on the right track.

what 1st appeared to be mag lock out now is looking like burn to me but the ppm is low 400's now. But are they starving? plants are 3 weeks into my so called veg and 5 weeks from seeds. all 20 of these seeds popped in less then 24 hours after sitting in my desk for 2 years. :shock:
I think you can pull them back just be patient . . .

just remembered i added AN cal mag when they 1st showed what i thought was mag def.


so if i missed something lmk

thanks so much and boy do i hope someone is reading this lol.

crispy
The cal-mag is fine just be sure to use a little less Ionic Grow if your Cal-Mag also has some nitrogen. For example the Cal-Mag I use is 2-0-0.
 

Crispyone

Member
great thank you so much. ill fix the nutes with 10ml per gallon.

ill let them sit for a couple days 1st to dry out ???

yes a flood table.

i cant believe how clean my resi looks. looks like drinking water :shock: compaired to what it was like .

when i transplanted them the roots were beautiful looking. nice and hairy white roots. some broke off of each plant when i lifted them from the tent to the new net pots.

ill report back in a few days with an update and some new pix.

thank you


Well for a bit there I was messing with organics but it was just too damn messy. I'm still a hydro guy though, I grow in coco-coir now. Still dabble in organics though.



I assume this is a flood table? Could not tell from your pics . . .



I don't think it a mag problem, root-zone problems can cause yellowing like this, especially when old roots are dying off and the plant is trying to regenerate new roots to survive.



Not enough Ionic for your size plants, I like to measure in ml it is just easier for me. 10ml/gal is half dose and what your should be running along with a bit of superthrive to help with the stress.



First step, calm down don't try to overdo it. Your plants don't look too bad, they are DEFINITELY overwatered. I think the other symptoms you are seeing (yellow leaves) are also being caused by overwatering. How often are you flooding your table? Rockwool can hold a lot of water so being so small they may only need to be fed every other day. You do however have to be sure that when they are watered they receive the correct amount of nutrients. Bump up you Ionic grow to 10ml/gal, add some superthrive, and flood less often. They will not bounce back right away and the damaged foliage may die totally but if it is showing healthy green new growth in a few days you are on the right track.



I think you can pull them back just be patient . . .



The cal-mag is fine just be sure to use a little less Ionic Grow if your Cal-Mag also has some nitrogen. For example the Cal-Mag I use is 2-0-0.
 

NewGrowth

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great thank you so much. ill fix the nutes with 10ml per gallon.

ill let them sit for a couple days 1st to dry out ???

yes a flood table.

i cant believe how clean my resi looks. looks like drinking water :shock: compaired to what it was like .

when i transplanted them the roots were beautiful looking. nice and hairy white roots. some broke off of each plant when i lifted them from the tent to the new net pots.

ill report back in a few days with an update and some new pix.

thank you

I would not wait a couple days go ahead and up your Ionic to 10ml/gal then flood once and wait a day. Check to see how wet your rockwool is the next day if it is still wet don't water. If you waited now they would just be nutrient deprived . . . .
 

jnuggs

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consciousness420 - 20mL micro and 40mL bloom per GALLON?? What is your e/c??
I use R/O water.. it's at 25 ppm. I add 5mL grow, 5mL micro, 5mL bloom, and my e/c is already up at like 1.3.
Newgrowth - is it possible that my GH Flora series are more potent than advertised? I have been wondering this for months now. I can't even feed following anything close to the "vigorous growth" schedule. And I feel they are vigorously growing (2 foot high, 3 foot wide..and almost too dense with foliage. drinking 1 1/2 - 2 gallons per day)
 

NewGrowth

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consciousness420 - 20mL micro and 40mL bloom per GALLON?? What is your e/c??
I use R/O water.. it's at 25 ppm. I add 5mL grow, 5mL micro, 5mL bloom, and my e/c is already up at like 1.3.
Newgrowth - is it possible that my GH Flora series are more potent than advertised? I have been wondering this for months now. I can't even feed following anything close to the "vigorous growth" schedule. And I feel they are vigorously growing (2 foot high, 3 foot wide..and almost too dense with foliage. drinking 1 1/2 - 2 gallons per day)
You are feeding the right amount but did you see the Lucas formula? It tends to work better for cannabis and only used Micro and Bloom the whole way. I posted some info on the Lucas formula of the page before this if you want to check it out.
 

Crispyone

Member
Merry Christmas Everyone

Newgrowth we have a new problem it looks like.

they've had 2 feeding in 2 days at the new half straight nutes. they still look droppy and check out the pictures. a couple are real bad and i can see that its starting on a couple of others also.
last photo shows 10 WW on left and 10 fem big buds on right.

EDIT
just checked the resi. 2 days ago at half nutes ppm was 523 and ph was 5.4. now before topping the resi off ppm was 625 and ph was 4.0, holy shit. last nite at 6pm they eat and i wasn't home to check ph so it could of been to low. normally my res rises in ph but now it went way down.

i just topped off with 2 gallon and ppm is 603 and i brought the ph up to 5.8. i think the 1st time i checked the ppm i didnt leave the meter in the resi long enough. now i see i have to leave it in for a few minutes to settle on a reading. so i think that 523 ppm reading is low to start.

can you specify when to take ppm reading? before top off or after?

these ppm reading are including my water ppm which fluctuates between 85 - 200. when i filled resi it was at 86.

thanks again

crispy
 

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NewGrowth

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Looks kind of like they are coming out of it, Keep running your H202. Don't worry too much about the ppm but watch your pH close especially right after you change your reservoir. Some nutrients take a day or so to stabilize in pH when in put into solution. If you keep seeing wild pH flux you may have a rootzone disease. The damaged foliage will never fully recover so keep an eye on that new growth!

Check your ppm before and after you top off because it can give you a good idea how much nutrient your plants are using.

Merry Christmas!
 

Crispyone

Member
Newgrowth

plants are doing well except for one WW which is yellowing. im in the 1st week of flower and im switching to hard water ionic bloom in a few days.

im still at 10ml per gallon when should i start to up the nutes and will i ever get close to full strength?

2 weeks ago i tryed upping the nutes and right away they showed signs of nute burn so i put it back to 10ml.

plants are 10-12 inchs now and so bushy its crazy. i cut 32 clones yesterday so hopefully they take. lol.

thanks for all your help it really paying off now.
 
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