SOG growers wanted !!!

[Bob Smith]

A couple of things:

Firstly, running a test of cloning speed in an E&F tray (just Floranova bloom @350PPMs in R/O water) vs. in rapid rooters with 1mL/gallon of Roots Excellurator added to them (in a humidity dome, obviously) - I'll let you guys know who "wins".

Also, and more to the point of this post, has anyone ever flowered out at 9/sf? Running about 2/sf this run, and was planning on 4/sf next run (64 in my 4x4 tray), but I have some serious height restrictions, so was mulling over just saying "fuck it" and flowering 144 in my 4x4 tray in 3.5" square pots - has anyone done this, and if so, any pitfalls or things of that nature I should look out for? (excluding plant count, I'm well aware that number makes me an extra-naughty boy).

To give a quick summary, have a 4x4 tray with a 40 gallon reservoir in a 4x4 Sun Hut under a 1000HPS controlled by a Sentinel with CO2 @ 1500PPMs, so I'm pretty sure my setup can handle all those plants.

Thanks in advance for your time, and I'd love some input.

 

[streetlegal]

A couple of things:

Firstly, running a test of cloning speed in an E&F tray (just Floranova bloom @350PPMs in R/O water) vs. in rapid rooters with 1mL/gallon of Roots Excellurator added to them (in a humidity dome, obviously) - I'll let you guys know who "wins".

Also, and more to the point of this post, has anyone ever flowered out at 9/sf? Running about 2/sf this run, and was planning on 4/sf next run (64 in my 4x4 tray), but I have some serious height restrictions, so was mulling over just saying "fuck it" and flowering 144 in my 4x4 tray in 3.5" square pots - has anyone done this, and if so, any pitfalls or things of that nature I should look out for? (excluding plant count, I'm well aware that number makes me an extra-naughty boy).

To give a quick summary, have a 4x4 tray with a 40 gallon reservoir in a 4x4 Sun Hut under a 1000HPS controlled by a Sentinel with CO2 @ 1500PPMs, so I'm pretty sure my setup can handle all those plants.

Thanks in advance for your time, and I'd love some input.

Hey Bob, thanks for the post, im really interested in both these things..
What strain are you cloning?

Im starting on a new set-up atm, building aero/nft channels and was curious about spacing myself..
i was going with 5" spacing which is 4/sqft but i might up that number now.. Other then the obvious 'mold' issues and keeping up with clones i couldnt see why not.. that said, im far from an expert GL

 

[NicoXL]

Ok this is a big ass topic so i didn't look through it all but next grow should go like this:


1 1000w HPS on a 6' light rail
3 105w CFLs
2 4'x8' trays (one for week 0-4, the other for week 4-8....roughly)
100 White Russian clones from Serious on each tray with 4"x4" Rockwool
2 400 gph pumps on each tray
Co2 for 45 min a day @1500
and a coco mat for each tray

and yeah the only problem is I found a tray for cheap online but its 90$ fucking shipping, and they are $300 at any hydro shop in the area.

any ideas?

 

[doogleef]

9 per sq ft is REALLY tight. The best way to do that if you wanna do it is to use 4" coco cubes instead of pots. They look like the 4" rockwool but hold a lot less water and can be flooded several times per day.

 

[Bob Smith]

9 per sq ft is REALLY tight. The best way to do that if you wanna do it is to use 4" coco cubes instead of pots. They look like the 4" rockwool but hold a lot less water and can be flooded several times per day.

I'd be using 3.5" square plastic pots with hydroton that I'd be flooding once an hour for ten minutes.

 

[LoudBlunts]

get ready for massive pruning homie!

good luck!

 

[Bob Smith]

get ready for massive pruning homie!

good luck!

Thanks man - anyone who wants to put their two cents in on my journal, please feel free - leaning towards doing 144, but could be talked down off of that cliff and "only" do 64 if there's a compelling argument.

EDIT:

Here's a pic of what pots I'd be using (these are actually the two sets of clones I took today that I spoke of in an earlier post):

 

[LoudBlunts]

dude...you can totally do it...you just gotta be on it


and take strong clones.


i LOVE to pack them in TIGHT as hell.

i see your clones are leaning. you should work on taking stronger clones...and/or put a fan on them.

you should stake them as well.

i might also change mediums to coco...but that is just me and my opinion

 

[LoudBlunts]

also when you take clones...cut all that shit off.


like the fan leaves you can cut fan leaves in half. when you do this...it will help with transpiration and they wont loose water as much.

however, they are in a dome so i guess the extra leaf wont hurt...but i like to remove it...maybe i think it helps with rooting faster? who knows

 

[Bob Smith]

dude...you can totally do it...you just gotta be on it


and take strong clones.


i LOVE to pack them in TIGHT as hell.

i see your clones are leaning. you should work on taking stronger clones...and/or put a fan on them.

you should stake them as well.

i might also change mediums to coco...but that is just me and my opinion

Never tried coco, but the hydroton for me is pretty non-negotiable - I love it more then my dog, it's the shit.

And the clones can and will be staked, those are just kinda "tester" clones to see how long it takes for them to root in an E&F tray (that's a 2x4 tray), and I could fit about 90+ in that one tray.

Actually thinking I'll probably have to take smaller clones (like 2-3") and flower them out immediately with no veg time to finish at the 12" that I'm shooting for.

 

[trouble9039]

Go for it! Trimming will suk, hopefully u will have help...... But other than that give it A go.



How is everyone 1 doing? I backed off abit and shut down the flowering for A little while.

 

[Bob Smith]

also when you take clones...cut all that shit off.


like the fan leaves you can cut fan leaves in half. when you do this...it will help with transpiration and they wont loose water as much.

however, they are in a dome so i guess the extra leaf wont hurt...but i like to remove it...maybe i think it helps with rooting faster? who knows

Yeah, never cut the leaves, although many growers swear by it - I actually like seeing the yellowing on the leaf tips to let me know that roots are dropping.

EDIT: as far as the trimming goes, it seems that I have a different thought then you guys - I actually think that there will be less trimming (speaking of "lollipopping", not of actual harvest trimming) because I'll only be trimming the bottom 1-3" of each plant, whereas the trimming today took me about five hours on 25 plants, trimming the bottom 12" of each. In fact, I wonder if I'll need to trim anything at all, as I'm hoping that everything above ground will simply be a large cola.

And as far as harvest trimming, I think that will be about a wash between 25 three footers or 144 one footers.

 

[pergamum362]

im sorry but what is a "sog"?one time question

 

[strain stalker]

im sorry but what is a "sog"?one time question

SOG= sea of green

 

[kaozsindrome]

Most pointless thread ....EVER!!!!!!!!

 

[sparkafire]

Most pointless thread ....EVER!!!!!!!!

I would like to say thank you. Thank you for taking the time to sign up and lurk around. It is an honor for me and all the other Weed Barons that you chose our thread for your very first post. You sound very intelligent and well written.

Kaosindrome when he is not lurking on RIU

 

[toast master]

gee..... Kaosindrome how do you do that.....

 

[toast master]

never mind. i think i dont want to know

 

[trouble9039]

I would like to say thank you. Thank you for taking the time to sign up and lurk around. It is an honor for me and all the other Weed Barons that you chose our thread for your very first post. You sound very intelligent and well written.

Kaosindrome when he is not lurking on RIU

LOL! That is great spark........ And how the hell are you doing?

 

[Bob Smith]

Anyone ever used this tray?

http://www.amhydro.com/index.php/Do-It-Yourself-Components/184-3-x-3-Heavy-Duty-Tray/flypage.tpl.html?pop=0

Asking because I'm planning my expansion, which will be an 8x8 tent with four 600s and four 3x3 trays (above link).

I'm asking because the Botanicare 4x4 that I have right now is about 7" deep, and the link is only 4" deep - doesn't seem like this would be deep enough, in all honesty, so I'd love to hear from someone who uses it (or has used it) successfully.

Want to use those trays because of the ability to use these inserts over them:

http://www.amhydro.com/index.php/Do-It-Yourself-Components/199-3-x-3-Net-Well-Insert/flypage.tpl.html

Figure with the insert it'll almost be a hybrid DWC/E&F (because of the unlimited root growth).