advanced nutrients vs. fox farm

[jberry]

Budweiser makes the best beer.... it says so right on the label... they use the highest quality ingredients known to man (says so right on the label)

now some people will come running to defend this, and Bud is all they will drink.
other people would argue that Budweiser is piss, while drinking their $12 six pack of honey ale.

this is probably a bad example, but like someone already said, I think everyones idea of a "good value" is going to vary quite a bit, and i guess thats what im trying to point out.

while im already off topic, check out the waves from wednesday... my homies are going big!

have a good day everyone!

 

[sparki]

Why should I be asking a question I already know the answer to? Whoa.. this is getting deep? How about, why aren't you answering the questions you don't think I have the answer to?

In your words, What IS in them? Do you know? If not then how can you tell me they are or are not a good value. While were at it let's get into a little critical thinking. What IS "a good value"? I'd assume that what you think is a good value is based on your own value system. I have a feeling that your value system is vastly different then most people here. Vastly..

yup, i thought i was spending WAY too much on freakin plants. but after getting experience using there products, its really not that bad. for example big bud, i spent like 80 bucks on it, but i barely used a fraction of it. i wouldnt say i used more than a 1/10th of it in my current grow. so at this rate im only spending like $8-$10 per grow. I wouldnt say thats bad at all.

 

[RickWhite]

yup, i thought i was spending WAY too much on freakin plants. but after getting experience using there products, its really not that bad. for example big bud, i spent like 80 bucks on it, but i barely used a fraction of it. i wouldnt say i used more than a 1/10th of it in my current grow. so at this rate im only spending like $8-$10 per grow. I wouldnt say thats bad at all.

What product? And how do you like the Big Bud? What breeder?

 

[Mark5:9]

Rick, Big Bud is a product made by AN. It's a bloom (PK) booster that has a lot of amino's in it. It's also high K. I think it's like a 0-15-40 with a shot of MG to even it out. Like a few other companies out there like Fox Farm. AN backs everything they make with a 100% guaranteed of results or your money back. From the shop you got it at. They don't make it hard at all.

 

[giantart]

The Truth rears its ugly head!! (Yeah)

-help others before yourself-

 

[hugetom80s]

Well you can believe what you like, but I for one prefer Advanced Nutrients because of the results I got, not the advertising.

Honestly, I don't even see the big deal with that, it doesn't bother me.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Rick, Big Bud is a product made by AN. It's a bloom (PK) booster that has a lot of amino's in it.

And just how much does it have? What good are these "aminos". Gawd, you guys will fall for anything.

Big Bud at $80! Are you guys nuts? Hell, fold that damn bill and send it to me @

FoolsRUs
420 Weebee Spending Down Da Road
Nantucket, NY

It's also high K. I think it's like a 0-15-40 with a shot of MG to even it out.

High P foods induce stretch and do not support leaf maintenance and development. High K foods induce a lockout of Ca, Mg, and N and also do not support leaves. Sorry, but the only thing AN knows is how to rip off noobs, and according to the responses in this thread, they're doing a damn good job.

http://www.totalgro.com/concepts.htm


UB

 

[laserbrn]

And just how much does it have? What good are these "aminos". Gawd, you guys will fall for anything.

Big Bud at $80! Are you guys nuts? Hell, fold that damn bill and send it to me @

FoolsRUs
420 Weebee Spending Down Da Road
Nantucket, NY



High P foods induce stretch and do not support leaf maintenance and development. High K foods induce a lockout of Ca, Mg, and N and also do not support leaves. Sorry, but the only thing AN knows is how to rip off noobs, and according to the responses in this thread, they're doing a damn good job.

http://www.totalgro.com/concepts.htm


UB

UB, AN markets a product that works very well without someone having to be a horticularalist. It's sort of a "paint by numbers" solution.

Say I'm a not a hobby grower or a commercial grower. I'm a medical grower and I'm only growing my own beds because I don't like drug dealers and don't have a local dispensary. What product would you suggest I go out purchase to help me acquire quality meds that will surpass AN at a lower price?

Here's a chart of the nutrients and cost for AN based upon my first WW grow that my avatar features. Under 1 600w HPS flowered for 8 weeks and vegged for 5 weeks I got 13 oz's (didn't fill the space all the way, needed another 2 plants, but it was the first run in that space.

So to grow 13 oz's it cost me $134.23 and I didn't have to become an expert on horticulture.

Around here an oz of bud like mine would be about $350.00, so growing 13 oz's saved me: $4550.00 in total.

So the $134.23 for nutrients really isn't a big deal to me. Maybe I could've done it for 1/2 the price if I had studied horticulture and tried to mix my own shit? Is that worth it?

Fortunately I enjoy this as a hobby so I'm going to start my soil experiments and run them side by side with the hydro setup (can't risk all my meds being gone!), but I can't say AN's a bad product by any stretch.

For those that are curious, (because I do track ALL of my costs) it also cost me $286.35 in electrciity total for that grow start to finish. $80.00 for a bulb and a total of $74.00 in water (more than I expected) by buying at the Glacier machines and 22.00 for pesticides.

I used my own clones from the previous grow so the genetics didn't cost me on the last one for a grand total of $462.00 or nearly 1/10th the dispensary cost.

Tracking all of this information for me is vital as this is by far my most expensive medication (when I purchase from dispensary) at a monthly cost of >$800.00 it's just not affordable. So my goal is always to get the best quality & quantity of meds I can for my $$$.

Is there a product you think would work better? Something someone with NO horticultural experience can use with success or at least a short learning curve? Jon Q. Public is growin' pot and paying for AN and while you may be upset about, "regular folks" aren't.

I didn't actually chart how much it was costing me per ounce or exactly how many ounces I used to top up so I based these calculations on weekly complete flushes (which I didn't to, but the topping up and adding would be less than this even). This is based upon my notes on nute strengths at each week that I keep and not based upon actual recordings of usage. The price is based upon buying 1 liter bottles from the website I ordered from. This is about the smallest bottle I can buy so no qty breaks there. I'm sure I could do better by buying larger quantity's but I haven't found it necessary.

Please give any input on how you think I can do better or something I should try. I'm always down to save a buck, but having to spend months learning and wasting crops by killing them or underproducing is counterproductive for me. It's stepping over dollars to save pennies.

 

[Mark5:9]

And just how much does it have? What good are these "amino's". Gawd, you guys will fall for anything.

Big Bud at $80! Are you guys nuts? Hell, fold that damn bill and send it to me @

FoolsRUs
420 Weebee Spending Down Da Road
Nantucket, NY



High P foods induce stretch and do not support leaf maintenance and development. High K foods induce a lockout of Ca, Mg, and N and also do not support leaves. Sorry, but the only thing AN knows is how to rip off noobs, and according to the responses in this thread, they're doing a damn good job.

http://www.totalgro.com/concepts.htm


UB

When you used AN what was your results. You mention all these test and such so what happened when you tested it? We'll just cut to the chase, you know and I know you've never even held a bottle of AN in your hands, you never used it and don't know anyone that has. Yet day in an day out you hate on them.

I heard you say over and over again that with out proof you really don't know if it's good or bad. Control group being your favorite phrase.. It seem that 100% of the time with AN your willing to by pass your own preaching and no matter how many people for years telling you it works and they like it you're still in denial..

I already asked you in this thread. DO you know what's in Big Bud? Why don't you tell me what's in it or what and how much amino's are in it? How can you tell ANYONE it's good or bad if you don't know anything about it?

You might know plants but you don't know products.

I also think it's really funny that Ben is going to sit there with a straight face and try to you all that AN sucks.. one of the top 3 selling nutrients in the world..

Ben is trying to sell you all RC cola when you want Coke. To Ben RC is just as good and a shit load cheaper. But for people of discerning taste.. RC is shit and they want a Coke.. But, Ben can't let it end there..To Ben you don't like Coke.. you're a noobie that's just too dumb to know that it's all just marketing..

I also like how Ben can turn so willfully ignorant when it comes to application rates vs cost. All he heard was 80 bucks. Not that it's going to last him for years...

At some point you should either answer the questions or stop trolling the thread. You obviously have 0 experience with either of these products your input is not needed or appreciated as you only seem to be concerned with disrupting the thread.

 

[ogkush415]

this is the best thred i ever came across ever ben much respect! AN is the shit look out oldschool here we come. I mean it cost but its like someone else said i rather pay than learn all that other shit, the jurys out an takes it (in my tiny opion)

 

[Uncle Ben]

When you used AN what was your results.

You must be kidding. You don't think a seasoned horticulturist is gonna waste his time and money on AN? If my network of professional growers even heard me mention a word about such products they would laugh me out of the room. I don't have to stick my hand into a fire to know I'll get burned, which I will shortly prove.

I already asked you in this thread. DO you know what's in Big Bud? Why don't you tell me what's in it or what and how much amino's are in it? How can you tell ANYONE it's good or bad if you don't know anything about it?

How ironical. No one, and that includes you, knows what's in any of the AN products other than what those shysters are telling you, which is what you want to hear, naturally, such as this crap:Potassium Supplementation Increases Female Flower Formation: Then there is the Suggested Accompanying Products. Hmmmmmm, are we up to $200 USD yet lol? There is no regulatory agency testing their products and their ads are full of untruths.

Ingredients
Potassium Carbonate
Potassium Phosphate
Potassium Sulfate

https://www.advancednutrients.com/advancepedia/product.php?productID=11

The amino acid stuff is a farce, just like the global warning push. It's just another deceptive mechanism to take your money. Plants don't need anything but salts, they sure don't need some additive that has no real world value when it comes to botany. Again, you're following an idealology. If I was a betting man, I'd say you're on some political binge thinking cannabis is gonna save the world, and all of your good ol boyz who sell such crap to support your idealogy are your friends.

They are not. They are the Al Gore's of the world whose only goal is to make money, in Gore's case it's pushing his DVD and book by doing his dog and pony shows on Oprah.

I also think it's really funny that Ben is going to sit there with a straight face and try to you all that AN sucks.. one of the top 3 selling nutrients in the world..

Who your talking to, your mouse swimming around in your glass of Kool-Aid? Every time you marijuana nerds get backed into the corner you start using the "we" drills, fishing for your friends to help bail you out.

All he heard was 80 bucks. Not that it's going to last him for years...

Stupid is as stupid does.

I paid $12 about 14 years ago for a quart each of the best food on the market, Dyna-Gro's Foliage Pro and Blossom Booster, both complete with the correct NPK values for optimum production, and am still using it.

UB

 

[Uncle Ben]

this is the best thred i ever came across ever ben much respect! AN is the shit look out oldschool here we come. I mean it cost but its like someone else said i rather pay than learn all that other shit, the jurys out an takes it (in my tiny opion)

Of course, like I said, they understand the psychology of this community who in general is too lazy to research what makes a plant tick, so, they do everything they can to make sure their customers are NOT empowered to make good horticultural choices and decisions by selling them propaganda, regiments, charts, and such.

 

[Uncle Ben]

I like this one, hah!

Big Bud is the premier bloom booster supplement that makes your buds swell up larger and more potent crop after crop because it has the precise combination and ratio of phosphorus, potassium, carbohydrates, fulvic acid, and L-Amino acids your plants need for the most rapid, profitable and impressive bud formation.

And just how "impressive" is it?

Uhhhhhhh, cut the snake oil sales pitch. Explanation please?

Hey fellers, I'll clue you and the guys in at AN. It's leaves that make rapid, profitable and impressive bud formation.

Whew!

 

[Moldy]

Hmmm... good thread and thought provoking!! I've always wondered how a plant can be deemed "healthy" when the leaves are yellow and falling off. It didn't seem right as yellow = death? My last FF grow showed even more yellowing leaves in flowering than before and using molasses seemed to accelerate the death (yellowing) of my leaves. I'll be trying different nutes next grow, thanks for the logical info UB!

 

[Mark5:9]

I guess old Ben insist on trolling the thread..

What Ben doesn't know is that Amino's are used in chelation.

THE SIGNIFICANCE OF CHELATION PROCESS IN SOIL ARE:
1. Increase the availability of nutrients.
Chelating agents will bind the relatively insoluble iron in high pH soil and make it available to plants.
2. Prevent mineral nutrients from forming insoluble precipitates.
The chelating agents of the metal ions will protect the chelated ions from unfavorable chemical reactions and hence increase the availability of these ions to plants. One example is iron in high pH soil. In high pH soil, iron will react with hydroxyl group (OH-) to form insoluble ferric hydroxide (Fe(OH)3) which is not available to plants.
Fe+3 + 3 OH--------->Fe (OH)3 Soluble InsolubleChelation will prevent this reaction from happening and hence render iron available to plants.
3. Reduce toxicity of some metal ions to plants.
Chelation in the soil may reduce the concentration of some metal ions to a non-toxic level. This process is usually accomplished by humic acid and high-molecular-weight components of organic matter.
4. Prevent nutrients from leaching.
Metal ions forming chelates are more stable than the free ions. Chelation process reduces the loss of nutrients through leaching.
5. Increase the mobility of plant nutrients.
Chelation increases the mobility of nutrients in soil. This increased mobility enhances the uptake of these nutrients by plants.
6. Suppress the growth of plant pathogens.
Some chelating agents may suppress the growth of plant pathogens by depriving iron and hence favor plant growth.

http://www.jhbiotech.com/plant_products/chelation.htm

Ben you get a F in this class..

Dutch Master Gold A+B
AN Connie A+B
Humboldt's Master A+B

All use amino's..

How many of these have you tried Ben? ZERO? Why don't you let people with experience talk about what they know. You talk about what you know.. in this case NOTHING.

 

[The Potologist]

I have always used Fox Farm products exclusively and I have placed very well in cannabis cup. I really think its what your motives are. If you enjoy organic smoke, or hydro, or whatever there is a little something out there designed to help you achieve your goal. Not saying fox farm is for everyone, however I would highly recommened it, and I am sure for those who saw this years grow, most ppl would too. I have a little expierence with AN, and I think that there product is genuine, however not superior by any means, especially if you are comparing prices. Hope this Helps. Till then ....Chong On!

 

[The Potologist]

You must be kidding. You don't think a seasoned horticulturist is gonna waste his time and money on AN? If my network of professional growers even heard me mention a word about such products they would laugh me out of the room. I don't have to stick my hand into a fire to know I'll get burned, which I will shortly prove.

How ironical. No one, and that includes you, knows what's in any of the AN products other than what those shysters are telling you, which is what you want to hear, naturally, such as this crap:Potassium Supplementation Increases Female Flower Formation: Then there is the Suggested Accompanying Products. Hmmmmmm, are we up to $200 USD yet lol? There is no regulatory agency testing their products and their ads are full of untruths.

Ingredients
Potassium Carbonate
Potassium Phosphate
Potassium Sulfate

https://www.advancednutrients.com/advancepedia/product.php?productID=11

The amino acid stuff is a farce, just like the global warning push. It's just another deceptive mechanism to take your money. Plants don't need anything but salts, they sure don't need some additive that has no real world value when it comes to botany. Again, you're following an idealology. If I was a betting man, I'd say you're on some political binge thinking cannabis is gonna save the world, and all of your good ol boyz who sell such crap to support your idealogy are your friends.

They are not. They are the Al Gore's of the world whose only goal is to make money, in Gore's case it's pushing his DVD and book by doing his dog and pony shows on Oprah.

Who your talking to, your mouse swimming around in your glass of Kool-Aid? Every time you marijuana nerds get backed into the corner you start using the "we" drills, fishing for your friends to help bail you out.

Stupid is as stupid does.

I paid $12 about 14 years ago for a quart each of the best food on the market, Dyna-Gro's Foliage Pro and Blossom Booster, both complete with the correct NPK values for optimum production, and am still using it.

UB

FOOD FOR THOUGHT....Top selling nutrients/fertilizers dont mean it is supreme....could mean many things....good marketing, alot of stoner suckers out there,possibly it is a good product....etc....statistics are'nt always merit in any case.

 

[Mark5:9]

I paid $12 about 14 years ago for a quart each of the best food on the market, Dyna-Gro's Foliage Pro and Blossom Booster, both complete with the correct NPK values for optimum production, and am still using it.

UB

That's cause you don't grow.

Before you spam us all with all these OLD pics. Write the date on a piece of paper and snap a shot with your current grow and post that.

 

[Mark5:9]

I have always used Fox Farm products exclusively and I have placed very well in cannabis cup. I really think its what your motives are. If you enjoy organic smoke, or hydro, or whatever there is a little something out there designed to help you achieve your goal. Not saying fox farm is for everyone, however I would highly recommened it, and I am sure for those who saw this years grow, most ppl would too. I have a little expierence with AN, and I think that there product is genuine, however not superior by any means, especially if you are comparing prices. Hope this Helps. Till then ....Chong On!

Well said, and I'd have to agree. As for FF I've found that people just go by the lable and not the feeding chart. In the chart they want you to go back to a grow mix for one week (5th week) to keep it green. I also remember a guy that used FF and his were the darkest green I've ever seen and no burn.. I don't know how he mixed it but it worked for him.

 

[RickWhite]

So far the Jack's hydroponic is the only one with 100% nitrate nitrogen which is what you want.