Question for Republican Tokers

[skunky33]

I went back and reread what i wrote and wanted to point out that i wasnt directing that stuff at skunky personally just the whole left / right conserv/ lib divide in the country. Peace skunky

It's a ridiculous divide that's promoted by people who have a vested interested on a entertaining but fake 2 America's, one side against the other. I'm sorry to say that it's divide and conquer politics to control the country. I'm just sick of conservatives stating that liberal's are trying to take away their freedoms when thousands of socially liberal people are working in their defense spending their lives fighting for their freedom. If it wasn't for the reform that has been made by social liberals, god knows where MJ policy would be?

 

[skunky33]

Great the troll is back, I thought this idiot got banned. 3 posts in a row and every one of them makes you look like an idiot... that's a true dedication to stupidity on your part.

Really, explain how a person is an idiot for identifying a mindset on this forum and being opposed to that thinking. Whatever I said must have really pissed you off, why?

 

[skunky33]

Those same "fiscal conservatives" are also birthers, deathers, teabaggers, and extremist bigots.

Right! and what's up with that? If someone is against the "liberal agenda" whether their fear is somewhat justified or not, they have to vote (with people that mostly disagree or even hate them) for politicians that don't support them. That's a lonely f'n world.

 

[skunky33]

typical left right bullshit

pull your head out of the sand and wake up to the fact that left right is all a ploy to keep us fighting over our own enslavement

Actually, left and right are economic measurements not social measurements used to gauge economic systems macro and micro.

 

[skunky33]

Well, to be honest, I voted for Ron Paul last fall. I didn't agree with some of his foreign policy stances at the time, but I agreed with almost EVERYTHING else he stood for. So, to answer your first point, No, I'm not voting for religious nuts in the future.

As to the whole world war point, and I understand your point of view based on your feelings and interpretation of what you see, however, I couldn't disagree with you more. I think this administration is setting the stage, through it's feeble and apologetic tone, for a tragedy of epic proportions. My hope is that Israel will say "fuck you and your suicidal, flaccid sanctions" to us and bomb Iran back to the Paleolithic era.

I know that doesn't register well with you, but I'm a firm believer that there are times you have to remind people who's still the big dog on the block. Yeah, you try to reason with them first, but you TAKE THEM AT THEIR LEADERS' WORD, if they insist on being a threat and maybe they actually kill some of your citizens... well then it's time to go ROMAN on them, no apologies, no bullshit restrictions on the military... wholesale carnage. Put enough fear in them that they won't stick their heads out of the bomb craters they'll be calling home for the next twenty years. Then you pack up your shit and bring the warriors home. It's quick, it's simple, it's effective and it's affordable.

As to greed, don't bother. I've seen your posts and I know where you're coming from on that subject. What you label greed, I call the heart of this economy. Pure, unfettered capitalism. Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. I want a flat tax, guy making 20k a year pays the same percentage as the guy making 2 million. I'm not rich, but I sure as hell earned what I have and no one has a right to redistribute it... NO ONE. The Repubs are almost as bad as the Dems when it comes to overspending money that isn't theirs, so don't think I'm all giddy for them either. But I will support the lesser of two evils, hopefully it will give us time to get an organized third party into power.

Audit the FED. These traitors gave away 5 trillion under Tarp and when asked who got it, they told the boys on the hill to fuck off.

So basically your in depth political policies are "bomb the shit out of people" With a flat tax how is the FED going to afford all those bombs? Unfettered capitalism? yeah, you have a degree in economics..lol Sounds awesome!

You rent a building from walmart and run a competing business out of that same building with a 1000% price increase on all products you buy from walmart? You get kicked out of the walmart building by walmart properties co. and go to the walmart police department to file a report on walmart paper to stand in front of a judge in a building built by walmart construction co. and who's entire family works for walmart.... You get found in contempt and have to go to walmart jail for 10 years in which the government has a contract with walmart paying them 70,000$ of taxpayers walmart printed money for your stay.

 

[skunky33]

...and who will pay for this healthcare that is to be "given"?

...and what will happen in this "free country" if somebody decides not to participate?

Maybe you should tell your father that you don't want to pay his medicaid. hell why pay for the roads or the military or anything! Sick American's! screw them cough..cough let em' die in the streets! we need to pay for bombs because terrorists hurt American's!

 

[OregonMeds]

I was just watching Who Killed the Electric Car, toking on a bowl of course, watching the results of all the unfettered capitalism at it's finest. The wallmart description already fits. I got a particular kick out of when the police whip their batons out in a show of force and arrest a few of those scary evil protesters who were guilty of trying to buy those cars. God damn hippies! Go republicans!

If things stay the same I see 20 years from now we will have no national wealth at all still in fact we'll be one of the poorest nations if you don't count our few rich elite. Our national wealth will basically be held by china and everyone that sold us the oil we didn't need. They'll own all the wallmarts, and associated offices.


Well they already do...

 

[SmokeyMcChokey]

Those same "fiscal conservatives" are also birthers, deathers, teabaggers, and extremist bigots.

which is why no one listens to anything you have to say. You never bring any valid points up you just call us biggots. Good job at making yourself look like a douche

 

[abe23]

Yea, it's one thing if you say you're against government in general and supported ron paul last year. I think that kind of extreme libertarianism has it's own flaws but it's a coherent mindset and I respect anyone that sticks to those kind of beliefs even if I disagree.

But those who love the nixon/reagan/bush brand of conservatism that is responsible for turning us all into to criminals for growing and consuming a plant, deserve to be called out for being the cretins they are...

This is about our very basic rights and has little to nothing to do with politics. But only a moron would support a politician who thinks they're a criminal and should be put in jail. Just my opinion.

 

[undertheice]

But those who love the nixon/reagan/bush brand of conservatism that is responsible for turning us all into to criminals for growing and consuming a plant, deserve to be called out for being the cretins they are...

for a little historical context you might look up the origins of this prohibition. though this government's myopic view of our herb has certainly been helped along by conservatives' stringent clinging to outmoded mores, the origins of this prohibition are hidden behind the deceptions of roosevelt's legend. fdr, as one of the first major proponent for socialistic style control in the modern united states, first pressed for the unworkable tax act which essentially prohibited any form of weed and led to our current situation. blaming conservatism for the actions of one of liberalism's great heroes is another bit of the typical disingenuousness of the all those blind partisans, whatever their stance. while conservatism is surely to blame for stalling any change in the laws governing this prohibition, its origins are on the other side of the spectrum and the responsibility for its continuation lies more with the corruption of the entire political establishment than with any one party.

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

Ice, you beat me to it, and no doubt said it better than I.
Marijuana tax act 1937 enacted into law by the signature of FDR.
GWN

 

[undertheice]

Ice, you beat me to it, and no doubt said it better than I.
marijuana tax act 1937 enacted into law by the signature of FDR.

if it hadn't been me, someone else without a grudge against the right would have done it. it's a well known fact that the partisans of the left always seem to leave out of their rewriting of history. the sins of nixon, reagan and bush are fresh in our minds, but the truth behind our present woes are usually further back than just yesterday's news.

 

[shylas]

Well FUCKING put undertheice!!! i'd plus rep but it's not letting me

 

[Rob Roy]

Skunky 33,

I didn't say I wouldn't pay for MY father's healthcare, I just don't want to be FORCED to pay for your father's healthcare. If you were honest you'd acknowledge you feel the same way. If not, my dad can use some new slippers for x-mas okay? Get me your address and I'll mail you some of his bills.

Roads are easy to take care of through fuel taxes and local property tax extortion

Miitary? You tried to strawman me...that's not my position, try someone else.

So why not politely answer my questions?

Who will pay for the healthcare you say should be given?

What will happen to those who refuse to participate? Is that your kind of freedom?

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

Agreed with the 2 posts above and Rep+ for both!!

 

[laughingduck]

I think free healthcare would be great, and i am from the far right, i would like to see it paid for with the money that our goverment wastes on things that are not esseintal. What i am not happy with is the over 50% tax rate i will end up paying if all this crap gets enacted.

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

Make big Pharma pay for it from their profits from over seas sales. Which means they need to flip the vaule of their product; charging less for US sales and more for forighn sales. Currently we pay between 10 and 1,000% more for drugs made in the US by US Pharma.
So, flip the sales price and charge the export to fund those who can NOT afford health care. Produce real Tort reform.
If you can afford heath coverage but don't purchase it- you are charged a primium for yopur care. Kind of like bying a ticket before a concert as opossed to the day of the event.
Keep the Gov out of it all together except for the tariff on the export of Pharma and other items.

 

[laughingduck]

True about the pharma, kinda silly that most innovations are made here yet we subsidise the rest of the worlds drugs. I think the most direct solution is no insurance, a system where if you need medical care then go. Provide documentation that you are a U.S. citizen, and the hospital or clinic sends for payment. I do not think it should be about how much you do or don't have, make it for every citizen and i think everyone would benifit.

 

[skunky33]

for a little historical context you might look up the origins of this prohibition. though this government's myopic view of our herb has certainly been helped along by conservatives' stringent clinging to outmoded mores, the origins of this prohibition are hidden behind the deceptions of roosevelt's legend. fdr, as one of the first major proponent for socialistic style control in the modern united states, first pressed for the unworkable tax act which essentially prohibited any form of weed and led to our current situation. blaming conservatism for the actions of one of liberalism's great heroes is another bit of the typical disingenuousness of the all those blind partisans, whatever their stance. while conservatism is surely to blame for stalling any change in the laws governing this prohibition, its origins are on the other side of the spectrum and the responsibility for its continuation lies more with the corruption of the entire political establishment than with any one party.

Yeah, I agree it wasn't just 1 party. But you've touched a bottun with me.

You've just opened up a can of whoop ass. FDR! a president that ended prohibition of alcohol, reinstated the hemp industry to a degree that it was Kansas' main crop in the late 30's early 40's, got us out of the great depression all the while whipping Nazi ass while confined by paralysis to a wheelchair! This is your liberal boogey man? Conservatives would rather spend 500 billion bombing the middle east because a group of people killed 2500 American's Then to give 10 billion dollars to help 400,000 starving American's to work on public projects that are national landmark's today and have made 20x their initial investment.

Republicans are so jealous of what FDR achieved they hate him. On top of all this, JFK

America before the civil rights movement:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1956_Electoral_Map.png

America after:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1964_Electoral_Map.png

Awesome legacy of freedom! what a joke..

 

[undertheice]

liberal boogey man? hardly. delusional control freak? certainly.

the legacy of fdr is a permanent welfare state and the justification for an ever more intrusive government. his strategy for ending the great depression backfired, merely increasing government spending in exchange for temporary relief, and quite possibly prolonged it. it has been argued that only ww2 pulled us out of that decline and that his policies were just a dangerous stop gap which tided us over until war spending stimulated an economy which the taxation for his new social policies was quickly strangling. whatever the truth behind that argument may be, his actions paved the way for the permanent, government dependent underclass we see today. the temporary relief of the welfare state has become the permanent backbone of a drive for increased regulation and control over the private sector by an increasingly virulent bureaucracy of his design.

i find it a bit humorous that you would champion roosevelt for defeating germany with one breath and condemn conservatism for engaging the forces of today's fascist threat. just as in today's conflict, it took an attack on american soil to pull us into that global fight. both enemies attacked civilian and military targets indiscriminately and threatened the peace on a world wide scale. both enemies used the excuse of the intervention of other countries in their domestic policies and the myth of destiny to justify their atrocities, yet you choose to demonize one action and glorify the other. the allied atrocities of ww2 included such spectacular actions as the internment of thousands of japanese americans, the firebombing of dresden, and the decimation of two japanese cities by the newly developed and largely untested nuclear bombs, yet we now cry over the mistreatment of a few terrorist prisoners and the occasional errant missile strike. i realize that hindsight is 20/20, but the fact remains that war is an atrocity unto itself and seldom is any party to it completely blameless. dividing fault along party lines is one of those disingenuous tactics of partisanship that makes such fanatics so laughable.