Possible fruit flies?!

First Time Growin

Active Member
Hey i've seen a bug here and there flying around my room, its very small and black. My friend said they are called fruit flies...
Anyway i see atleast one a day around my plant(i kill the fucking faggot with my hand, hand of god bitch i end yo life)
Anyway like yeah i am guessing these things laid eggs or some shit and thats why i keep having to merk em...
Any suggestions on what will get rid of the ma fuckas without spraying poisenous pesticides on my plant?
 

Someguy15

Well-Known Member
Hey i've seen a bug here and there flying around my room, its very small and black. My friend said they are called fruit flies...
Anyway i see atleast one a day around my plant(i kill the fucking faggot with my hand, hand of god bitch i end yo life)
Anyway like yeah i am guessing these things laid eggs or some shit and thats why i keep having to merk em...
Any suggestions on what will get rid of the ma fuckas without spraying poisenous pesticides on my plant?
Fly tape strips can work. You can also try vinegar and water with a couple drops of dish liquid. The dish soap lowers surface tension, when they land on it they fall in and drown.
 

Hayduke

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Unless you have got a banana peel in there...they are fungus gnats.

Thumb, fly strips work well. They sell beneficial nematodes that will eat the larvae...or my new cure...diatomaceous earth (horticultural...not pool) sprinkled on soil surface (cuts the larvae up and they die die die!

Note: I do not know what repeated or heavy use does to soil pH;-)

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a layer of sand on top of the soil will not allow the larvae to escape, along with a hotshots no pest strip to kill off anything currently flying around
 

Hayduke

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Hardware stores. The kind of sand makes a difference as some mess with pH.

Yes they lay eggs in the top inch or so of soil and it is the larvae that munch on the roots...the adults do not cause harm, besides pissing you off and laying more eggs.

I am always concerned with air to the roots so I do not use the sand. Others have had success though...

I do not worry about the FG's as much as thrips (which also have a larval stage in the soil) so I use spinosad (a mix of 2 species of bacteria) for above soil and sprinkled a little diatomaceous earth (sold at garden stores as an eco-bug killer) on top and the FG's completely went away for the first time since using pyrethrum (which I do not like to use in the house!) They are a recurring problem and will never be gone forever.

Praying mantis will work also...if you can keep them around/alive...Lady bugs do not seem to mind starving to death surrounded by FG's:sad:...they are fun to have around, but they are susceptible to the same controls...sand will work for them, they just will not breed.

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First Time Growin

Active Member
OK well Rona did not have spinosad, or diatomaceous earth. So I baught sand.

Couple questions before I use it, when I apply the sand ontop, am i pretty much to leave it for the whole grow? Or to remove it after a week or so (hopefully larvae dead by then) Also can I feed the soil through the sand with no problems?
 

Hayduke

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OK well Rona did not have spinosad, or diatomaceous earth. So I baught sand.

Couple questions before I use it, when I apply the sand ontop, am i pretty much to leave it for the whole grow? Or to remove it after a week or so (hopefully larvae dead by then) Also can I feed the soil through the sand with no problems?
Yes...it will wash down through soil eventually...you could water from the bottom for a while to stop the erosion.

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First Time Growin

Active Member
Hmm I'm kinda hesitant on using the sand, because it was outside in the garden center so there could be possible bugs in it...


No, I meant in a separate container for the vinegar/dish soap mix.
So how does the process exactly work?? how do i mix it etc.. I am tempted to use it, but dont wanna fuck up, then poisen my beautiful plants with dishsoap.... if you kno what i mean...
 

axeman

Member
Go get a "Hot Shot" pest strip and put it in the room. Follow directions. It worked wonders for me when I had the same bugs and some others. I found the recommendation for this pest strip in another forum, and a lot of comments about it where everybody seemed to have good luck w/these. You can find them at most Home Depot's, hardware stores, etc. If you don't find the exact brand, something similar would prob. work. They run about $6 or $7, so are cheap, and worth a shot, accordingly. I like this idea much more than coating plants with foliar treatments, and also, since the pesticide is airborne, it will "find" your bugs wherever they may be hiding in your room. Also, I read all the "fine print" on mine, and truly, even tho I am an organic soil-grow freak, I felt OK with the lack of toxicity. Best of luck! Let us know how this works out for you.
 

Hayduke

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Hmm I'm kinda hesitant on using the sand, because it was outside in the garden center so there could be possible bugs in it...




So how does the process exactly work?? how do i mix it etc.. I am tempted to use it, but dont wanna fuck up, then poisen my beautiful plants with dishsoap.... if you kno what i mean...
The method would be just mix it up and put it next to your plant...but I believe this is a solution for fruit flies...which unless you got banana peels buried in your soil...fruit flies do not give a crap about MJ.

Fruit flies are attracted to the aromas of fermentation...you have probably seen them around bags of empty beer cans...this is why the vinegar (oxidized and bacteria infested alcoholic beverage)...but again I believe you have fungus gnats...and yes they often come with your soil...

**note** they could be thrips!!!!!! they look similar (to FG's) and I have yet to tell the difference in the flying stage. If so...you will eventually see silvery trails and tiny black spots...the latter on lower leaves mimicking a fungus.

Although I have not used sand...others have with great success. If you are worried about the sand having bugs, you can sterilize it in your oven.

I think I mentioned it before, but some have said the type of sand matters a little as some will mess with pH...I think it is silica sand that you want, but do not hold me to this!!

Although the dish of stuff may attract a few fliers, it WILL NOT solve the problem if they are fungus gnats. The flying stage is the adult stage and they are actively laying eggs in the soil. It is also the larval soil dwelling stage that is harmful to (little) MJ plants as the larvae obtain nutrients by nibbling on the roots...

You really need to attack both life stages or treat multiple times, even when using poison (which I would absolutely not due for FG's!, but would consider for thrips...though their are several biologicals that work well)

As I know it...your options are:

1) sand for larvae, thumb and sticky stuff for walkers/fliers [bug id boards, fly strips, or tangle foot...I have used all 3]

2) Diatomaceous Earth for larvae [my current strategy...in a salt shaker for easy sprinkling on soil surface...same as above for other life stages

3) Predatory Nematodes for larvae...same for other stages

4) any of the above for larvae, and a predator for the adults

5) Do not over water, keep top 2" of soil dry, and just deal with a few of the bastards

6) Chemical pesticide. (These things are problems anywhere there is moist soil and have been an agricultural pest for a long time...they have developed a fairly good resistance to some chemicals, and we should not continue to provide them with the evolutionary pressure to change)

I have used all but the sand. I used a very small shot of a pyrethrum bomb to get rid of thrips and got the bonus FG kill. I do not like using even this mild toxin. It smells horrible and is toxic for 2 weeks...but it kills.

One thing is certain...they will be back.

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Hayduke

Well-Known Member
When I saw "pest strip" and that it kills bugs in the room I got curious...

The Alco pest strip is how the EPA registers this product as it is sold under a couple of different consumer names...

Interestingly...the product website will not give any info as to toxicity and only has a link for MSDS requests...rather than linking the data sheets, I imagine the label makes it appear to be benign...but it kills without touching!...I am far too paranoid for that...I bet they have a pleasant odor?

Edit: it did not post as it was pasted (format a little different) so here is the source:http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Product.jsp?REG_NR=00548100348&DIST_NR=008845

Toxicity for Alco small pest strip

Summary Toxicity Information for the Active Ingredients in this Product
For detailed chemical information click on the chemical names below


Active IngredientsChemical Name
Percent PAN Bad Actor
Chemical
1 Acute
Toxicity
2 Carcinogen Cholinesterase
Inhibitor
Developmental or
Reproductive Toxin
Endocrine
Disruptor
Acute Aquatic
Toxicity
DDVP 18.6 %
Suspected Moderate
Indicates high toxicity in the given toxicological category.
Indicates no available weight-of-the-evidence assessment. For additional information on toxicity from scientific journals or registration documents, see the "Additional Resources for Toxicity " section of the chemical detail page for each active ingredient. 1. PAN Bad Actors are chemicals that are one or more of the following: highly acutely toxic, cholinesterase inhibitor, known/probable carcinogen, known groundwater pollutant or known reproductive or developmental toxicant. NOTE! Because there are no authoritative lists of Endocrine Disrupting (ED) chemicals, EDs are not yet considered PAN Bad Actor chemicals. 2. The acute toxicity reported here is for the pure active ingredient only and may not reflect the acute toxicity of individual pesticide products. The acute toxicity of this product can be found in the Product ID section of this page, the Acute Hazard Warning Label.
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alexonfire

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If your plants are small then the larva will eat your roots and kill the plant. Make sure you have fans blowing
 
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