Possible Symphilids - Azatrol

[#1Raiderfan420]

So I noticed this bug when I was watering crawling on the side of one of the pots. It looks like a little centipede, but much faster. I only got a glimpse of it..but it has antenae and multiple legs..looked light brown. After hours of searching for something that looks like it I found the info below that looks like my problem. I have been using Azatrol all along, but only in spray form. I am using coco coir and haven't seen any other bugs. I also have sticky traps that don't have any of these bugs on them.
Here is my question...

Has anyone used azatrol in the drench application? If so, what is the best dosage..the instructions use a range of 1-4 tbs per gal.?
Any other treatments ??

Thanks in advance!!



Symphilids
Small pests that are tan to white colored and look like centipedes. They are very deadly to the plants, because they burrow down into the roots and damage them by feeding of them. Your plants leaves will begin to die off. They are found mostly in soil composites that have not been cleaned, like soil that has additives in them such as animal manure.
(I know it will smell funny but sterilizing the soil in the oven for 30 min can kill any pests in the soil, heat to 350 for 30 min.) They are easy to tell if you have them, because they come to the top soil when your plant is being watered, if you find you do have them, use Fungus Gnat Killer (“B.T." a non chemical,biological control) in the powdered form. One application should kill it, just to be safe repeat every 7 days to kill off the larvae. Tobacco juice kills them as well! And nematodes.

Picture 2 shows the Symphilids look like..

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

Ok since no one has a quick answer..I'll share the Azatrol description/instructions I found. At the bottom say 1-2 tbs per gal for drenching.

Azatrol is a broad spectrum botanical product for control of insects and mites on indoor and outdoor vegatables and crops, shrubs, flowers, garden vegetables, fruit and nut trees. Azatrol offers an array of effects by acting as a repellent, anti-feedant, insect growth regulator and ovipositioning deterrent. As a molting inhibitor, it prevents insect larvae from developing into adults. Insects will feed less or not at all on treated foliage, ultimately starving to death, they will also fail to mature and reproduce. This complexity also makes it impossible for an insect's resistance to develop - Low odor and OMRI listed.
What are some of the pests Azatrol controls?

• Mites
• Caterpillars
• Aphids
• Leafminers
• Fungus Gnats
• Flies
• Whiteflies
• Psyllids
• Thrips
• Beetles
• Weevils
• Scales
• Mealy Bugs

Benefits of Azatrol

• Broad Spectrum Control
• No build up of Pesticide Resistance
• Organic approvals from: OMRI, USDA-NOP, IMO-IFOAM, RIOA, BFA
• 4 hour re-entry; can be applied day of harvest
• foliar or tank application

Anti-feedant Activity
Azatrol has primary, secondary and tertiary anti-feedant activity. Azatrol acts on the‘taste’ receptors in the insect’s mouth, stimulating deterrent neurons and inhibiting attractant neurons. The result is that the insects starve or just nibble for survival before they die. Insects which require more specific plant foods are more susceptible to this primary anti-feedant activity.

Azatrol affects the movement of food through the insect’s digestive system. Food stays in the gut so feeding is suppressed. Thus, the secondary anti-feedant activity disrupts normal feeding behavior, also contributing to the starvation of the insect.

The tertiary anti-feedant activity of Azatrol affects digestion through inhibition of digestive enzymes.

What this means to your insect control program: Insects fail to damage plants and ultimately starve to death.
Insect Growth Regulator (IGR)
Insect growth regulators work in a variety of ways, but the most common is to disrupt the maturation cycle of the insect. Azatrol also works in this way affecting hormones that regulate growth.

Larvae treated with Azatrol will experience decreases in weight gain, delayed or disrupted molting and an inability to shed old body capsules and, generally, death. In the event of larva escaping growth regulation, pupa and adult growth is affected, leaving them unfit, malformed or dead.

What this means to your insect control program: Insects will fail to mature and reproduce. This eliminates populations over time and keeps them at minimum levels.
Anti-ovipository and Repellent
Several studies have documented the anti-ovipository characteristic of azadirachtin. Simply put, many insects will not lay eggs on treated plant tissue. Azatrol also acts as a repellent to many insect species.

What this means to your insect control program: The likelihood of insect infestation is greatly decreased in treated plants. This also adds a preventative aspect to your control program.
Application:
foliar: 1-4 tbs per 1 gallon of water
drench: 1-2 tbs per 1 gallon of water

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

Well even though I haven't had any advice yet..I thought I would give my treatment plan. I drenched the coco with 10ml per gal of Azatrol. I didn't see any of the symphilids however I did see a couple gnats..possible fungus gnats..only a couple, but the azatrol should knock them down too.
I also gave the girls a good bath with Safer spray. I crawled under the canopy and sprayed soaked the entire bottom of the canopy and then worked my way all the way up to the buds from the bottom. Then I misted the top of the canopy.

Since I don't have an investation, I am not gonna freak out. I will follow up another treatment in 10 days and keep an eye out for any other critters.

 

[jakethetank]

i wouldn't use it if your laadies are 4 plus weeks into flowering

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

i wouldn't use it if your laadies are 4 plus weeks into flowering

Thanks, but it's too late, I already treated them. They are in week three of flower. Azatrol is supposed to be safe up till the day before harvest, but I wouldn't use it past week 4 unless it was a matter of losing the ladies. Although Azatrol is "organic" I still don't want to tant the buds, so I will be using alternative methods beyond week 4.

 

[ocean59]

So...did it work? And at which dosages?

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

So...did it work? And at which dosages?

Yes it worked great, but I use azamax now with better results. I actually killed a root aphids infestation with the combo of azamaz and sucra shield. Don't be afraid to soak the entire medium for least 15 mins.