New Bubbleponics Grower! Help me make my babies, the best they can be!

[Diabolik]

This is a recent update to my post above.

As I mentioned, I have been trying to lower the PH by approximately .3 - .5 every 6 - 12 hrs or so, until I get to a steady 5.8 - 6.2.

When I sat down, and wrote my earlier post, I had just finished lowering the PH in my system using the method above, to about 6.4. This was at approximately 11:00 a.m.

I just checked again at 3:15, and it is once again is at around 7.0 - 7.4.

Why is PH raising so dramatically on a fairly even basis? And what could I do to lower it, and keep it stable?

 

[Roseman]

I am here to help you, but I need more information.

Of course you already know, it is very normal for the pH fo flucuate as they eat the nutrients. Daily, I adjust mine, especially the first 3 or 4 weeks, then AFTER I remove the water pump (that harbors debris adn dead matter and trash) it stablizes for me.
I suggest no more than twice a day, once in morning, once in evening, adjust it to where you need it to be.

And if you would read this, Roseman's DIY Bubbleponics Tutorial - Marijuana Growing

post # 13 starts talking about pH.

Did you soak the cubes all day in pH balanced water?

IF NOT, then make some 4.0 water, like a quart or gallon, and pour one ounce, like 4 tablespoons on each cube every two hours or so for a few days.

Tell me what week you are in, when you started, etc.


Many experts are here:The BubbleHead Gang - Post # 212

Questions about Bubbleponic Growing Thread

 

[Diabolik]

Hi Roseman,

I posted as much detailed information as I could here "https://www.rollitup.org/dwc-bubbleponics/261058-new-bubbleponic-grower-comments-advice.html" and in my grow journal. If you read that, it should give you a pretty detailed description of my set up and schedule so far.

I am going to try now, mixing 1 gallon or so of water, lowering the PH to 6.0 and pouring a once or so over my cubes, at 2 hr intervals.

I am also now going to adjust my PH again to aprox 6.4 or so.

Thanx for all the advice, and please follow my threads to keep updated.

 

[Roseman]

Did you soak the cubes all day in pH balanced water?

IF NOT, then make some 4.0 water, like a quart or gallon, and pour one ounce, like 4 tablespoons on each cube every two hours or so for a few days.
To get the cubes pH RIGHT, soak it in 4.0 water . The 4.0 water brings a 8.0 pH cube to closer to 6.0 .

 

[Diabolik]

Oct. 26 2009 10:15 a.m

PH: 7.6
Temp: 80 F
Hum: 47

LSD: 1 1/4 "
AK-48: 1/2 "

As per Roseman's advice, I now am going to mix a gallon or so of 6.0 water, and pout about a ounce or so over my Rockwool cubes every 2 hrs or so. Hopefully this will help lower my fluctuating PH and help to keep my reservoir a bit more stable.

I was also thinking about putting some ice cubes in my reservoir to help cool the water down a bit. When I put my hand in to check the water, it was very warm.

I'm also wondering exactly how I should go about giving nutes to my babies. Saturday and Sunday I mixed 1/4 of my Grow Nutes, and Micro Nutes, strained them through a coffee strainer to remove all small particles, and then added that gallon to my tank.

I have included updated pics to show how far along my babies are now.



Oct. 26 6:30 p.m

PH: 6.0
Temp: 84 F
Hum: 50

I just recently finished draining out 1 gallon of water from the reservoir, and adding back in 1 gallon of 6.0 PH water. When I checked it, it was again close to 7.2. So lowering it by approximately 1.2 is quite a bit, but since I only added 1 gallon of 6.0 water to 5 gallons of 7.2 water I am hoping it balances out. I will also be watching my plants very closely, and at any sign of curling or yellowing leaves, I plan to re drain and refill using 6 gallons of 6.4 water.

However, now when I am testing my reservoir PH (with the 1 gallon added) it's reading 6.0

I also added in my 1/4 pack of grow and micro nutes at this time. (mixed and strained in aprox 950 ml of water, and strained.

It should also be mentioned, that earlier today I filled up a water bottle with tap water (7.0 - 7.2) and lowered it down to 6.0 and pouring a ounce or so over each rock wool cube, at 2 - 3 hour intervals to help and lower the PH of them.

I know I am probably asking retarded questions, but I'm just trying to be as active and efficient as I can, being as this is my first time.

As always comments and feedback are appreciated.

 

[Roseman]

I said 4.0

"Did you soak the cubes all day in pH balanced water?

IF NOT, then make some 4.0 water, like a quart or gallon, and pour one ounce, like 4 tablespoons on each cube every two hours or so for a few days. "

 

[Diabolik]

Rose,

I already mentioned that I forgot to soak my cubes before I put them in. I only soaked the 4 that now hold the clones, and they were soaked in 7.0 water. And currently the lowest my PH meter will go is 6.0

What I will do though, is use my crappy PH strips because at least they go down to 4.

I will try this today and keep you guys updated.

Thanx again

 

[Diabolik]

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October 27 2009
6:25 p.m

Today I decided to make a few major adjustments. After having constant fluxuations keeping my PH down, I went and bought some R/O water, 2 X 5 gallons. Then I emptied my system and replaced it with 5 gallons of the R/O water. The last Gallon, I mixed in exactly 1/4 of a Grow Pack and 1/4 of a Micro Pack and then added that giving me 6 gallons.

The SH guy told me apparently a lot of people having been having issues with High PH and the R/O water almost always fixed there issue. I have also been pouring 1 ounce of 4.0 water over my cubes every 3 hours, in hopes of lowering their PH. I'm kinda try the R/O Water, I've heard mixed reviews but I guess we will find out...

I also decided to add a 2nd 12 " air stone to my tank and attach it using a coupler to my air pump. And I added a Duel Spectrum flowering light bulb, so now I am running 1 flowering 1 vegging.They are hanging side my side aprox. 10 " from my plants.

LSD is starting to get a yellowish streak running down it's center 4 leafs, I have included a updated pic. And AK just started growing it's other fan leafs but not getting much taller. I promise myself, if my babies make it threw and stabilize I'm going to smoke a big one in their honor, and relax.

 

[Roseman]

You're doing good, and ont he right track.

Don't let that discoloration bother you for now, they will be fine.

 

[Diabolik]

Oct. 28 2009 11:00 a.m

PH: 6.4
Temp: 86 F
Hum: 45
Wat. Temp: 90 F

LSD: 1 3/4 " (8 or so fan leafs, have shown themselves but are still showing signs of discoloration)
AK: 1" (now has 4 or so fan leafs, still the runt)

Notes:

- The PH still seems to be raising slightly, but I assume that's because of the still high PH of my Rockwool cubes. I was wondering if I should still be pouring a ounce or so of 4.0 water over my cubes. now that I have switched to R/O water. Advice?

- I don't plan on adding any more nutes, at least for a few days. Depending on how my babies adapt to all the changes. I will probably add 1/4 pack or so on Saturday.

- Now that I have switched to the R/O I don't plan on playing with the PH at all, regardless of it's little spikes. If there are any drastic changes, I will address them as they come up.

- With the additon of that flowering light, my room temperatures have risen quite a bit. Therefore, I have been keeping my roll up door, fully open and closing my closet door. This has been keeping my room alot cooler (closer to the 75 - 85 F range) but I had to turn the flowering light off last night, and just run the vegging one, so I could sleep in the same room. Later on today, me and my room mate are probably either going to install a small Bathroom sized venting fan up top, or 2 computer sized fans at the top of my roll up door way. Opinions and advice on the best way to keep my room vented, and temperatures down are always appreciated.

- Also, if you can see in the full view pics, my clones seem to be wilting quite a bit. I just pulled them out of the cubes 1 by 1 and still havent noticed even the smallest of root growth. Prob gonna try Petrol420's guide on cloning on Saturday to see if I can establish some good clones.

 

[idnontknow]

Oct. 28 2009 11:00 a.m

PH: 6.4
Temp: 86 F
Hum: 45
Wat. Temp: 90 F

LSD: 1 3/4 " (8 or so fan leafs, have shown themselves but are still showing signs of discoloration)
AK: 1" (now has 4 or so fan leafs, still the runt)

Notes:

- The PH still seems to be raising slightly, but I assume that's because of the still high PH of my Rockwool cubes. I was wondering if I should still be pouring a ounce or so of 4.0 water over my cubes. now that I have switched to R/O water. Advice?

- I don't plan on adding any more nutes, at least for a few days. Depending on how my babies adapt to all the changes. I will probably add 1/4 pack or so on Saturday.

- Now that I have switched to the R/O I don't plan on playing with the PH at all, regardless of it's little spikes. If there are any drastic changes, I will address them as they come up.

- With the additon of that flowering light, my room temperatures have risen quite a bit. Therefore, I have been keeping my roll up door, fully open and closing my closet door. This has been keeping my room alot cooler (closer to the 75 - 85 F range) but I had to turn the flowering light off last night, and just run the vegging one, so I could sleep in the same room. Later on today, me and my room mate are probably either going to install a small Bathroom sized venting fan up top, or 2 computer sized fans at the top of my roll up door way. Opinions and advice on the best way to keep my room vented, and temperatures down are always appreciated.

- Also, if you can see in the full view pics, my clones seem to be wilting quite a bit. I just pulled them out of the cubes 1 by 1 and still havent noticed even the smallest of root growth. Prob gonna try Petrol420's guide on cloning on Saturday to see if I can establish some good clones.

I would first start by lowering your rockwool down a we bit and fully cover it.Then change your solution I use pure blend pro gro 324 and cannazym 10 ml per gal.I also built my own bubble system and added drippers that come on every six hours for 15 min at a time.My ph is always 6.0 and never goes up or down.I am also growing ak here are some pics of plants seeds started 10/04/09

 

[Diabolik]

Those looks like some awesome plants, Idontknow. I hope mine look that beautiful in a few weeks!

From what I have heard about the AK strain is its a fantastic smoke, and really easy for new growers to start out with. As I mentioned my AK seems to be the runt at the moment, I wasn't sure she was gonna pull past germination, but now she looks ready to take off.

Continue to follow my journal and I promise to keep you updated on my status, as long as you keep me in the loop for yours

 

[idnontknow]

ak is the rear of the pics its aurora indica in the front wich was actually planted 4 days after the ak so maybe ak goes real slow at first

 

[Roseman]

Oct. 28 2009 11:00 a.m

PH: 6.4
Temp: 86 F
Hum: 45
Wat. Temp: 90 F < that is terrible bad if your water is 90 degrees.

LSD: 1 3/4 " (8 or so fan leafs, have shown themselves but are still showing signs of discoloration)
AK: 1" (now has 4 or so fan leafs, still the runt)

Notes:

- The PH still seems to be raising slightly, but I assume that's because of the still high PH of my Rockwool cubes. I was wondering if I should still be pouring a ounce or so of 4.0 water over my cubes. now that I have switched to R/O water. Advice?

Just once a day at least, and twice a day at most, you should test and adjsut it. We all do it, every hydro grower.

- I don't plan on adding any more nutes, at least for a few days. Depending on how my babies adapt to all the changes. I will probably add 1/4 pack or so on Saturday.

- Now that I have switched to the R/O I don't plan on playing with the PH at all, regardless of it's little spikes. If there are any drastic changes, I will address them as they come up.Just once a day at least, and twice a day at most, you should test and adjsut it. We all do it, every hydro grower.

- With the additon of that flowering light, my room temperatures have risen quite a bit. Therefore, I have been keeping my roll up door, fully open and closing my closet door. This has been keeping my room alot cooler (closer to the 75 - 85 F range) but I had to turn the flowering light off last night, and just run the vegging one, so I could sleep in the same room. Later on today, me and my room mate are probably either going to install a small Bathroom sized venting fan up top, or 2 computer sized fans at the top of my roll up door way. Opinions and advice on the best way to keep my room vented, and temperatures down are always appreciated.

This type of fan is what most use, those bathroom fans are not pwerful enough. >>> Powerful Exhaust Fan

- Also, if you can see in the full view pics, my clones seem to be wilting quite a bit. I just pulled them out of the cubes 1 by 1 and still havent noticed even the smallest of root growth. Prob gonna try Petrol420's guide on cloning on Saturday to see if I can establish some good clones.

your HOT water will only be OK a day or two, then you're going to get pythium.

did you read in my Tutorail about the need for cup covers?

 

[Diabolik]

I'm currently doing everything in my power to lower the temp of my grow room. It's now at a steady 76 F but that with my closet and roll up door fully open. I also raised the lights by quite a few inches. I poured some R/O water into some cleaned water bottles and chilled them, and then slowly pour them into my reservoir. I went out and bought that floating thermometer and now its reading 86 for my water temp and still hopefully lowering.

I plan to hopefully order and add that fan, within the next week. And I'm going to go re-read and make those lid covers tomorrow. If anyone has any other ideas to help lower my water temp it would be appreciated.

I have included some pics of the girls, LSD doesn't seem to be doing well. I'm just hoping she will pull through after these adjustments.

Let me know what you think.

 

[idnontknow]

I'm currently doing everything in my power to lower the temp of my grow room. It's now at a steady 76 F but that with my closet and roll up door fully open. I also raised the lights by quite a few inches. I poured some R/O water into some cleaned water bottles and chilled them, and then slowly pour them into my reservoir. I went out and bought that floating thermometer and now its reading 86 for my water temp and still hopefully lowering.

I plan to hopefully order and add that fan, within the next week. And I'm going to go re-read and make those lid covers tomorrow. If anyone has any other ideas to help lower my water temp it would be appreciated.

I have included some pics of the girls, LSD doesn't seem to be doing well. I'm just hoping she will pull through after these adjustments.

Let me know what you think.

if your water temp is to high buy some bigger air stones your pump may be working to hard and heating up

 

[Roseman]

take some old rags, roll them into the shape of a cigar, soak them in cold water, (or freeze them) and lay them on the lid.

A floating themometer tells ya the temp at the top of the tnak, the lower water is often cooler.

get two 1 by 2s, or 2 x 4s, and put them under the tank, raising the tank off the floor an inch so air can get under it.

 

[Diabolik]

Thanx again for all the advice guys.

Oct. 31 12:00 p.m

PH: 6.0 (Minor adjustment from 6.4)
Room Temp: 79-80
Water Temp: 78
Hum:48

So, I have been able to stabilize my PH and temperatures. Until that fan comes in, it involves me leaving the door open while I sleep, but I'm learning to deal with it.

Still no growth on either LSD or AK. And LSD has went from bad to worse. The yellowing that started from the vein, has almost worked its way out to the outer edge of the leaves. Some of my leafs are turning white and curling. I was going to trim them off yesterday, but I thought that might do harm then good and decided to keep a close eye on them both for the next few days. I think it's probably all the recent stress, PH and temperature fluctuation. Please if anyone has any advice on how to save her I'm all ears.

I also raised my reservoir using 2 2 X 4's in hopes to allow some air to flow under. On a positive note, I lifted up one of my clones today and they have in fact rooted and shown some new growth.

 

[idnontknow]

Are you using nutrients in the water already? Also I didnt transplant from the humidity dome until I saw roots. I am by no means an expert but it looks as if you are burning them with nutrient levels way to high.

 

[idnontknow]

You may want to open a new thread with those pics and label urgent help there are some very knowlagable people on here.I spend hours reading points of interest to me.