Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is
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:::woot::::I've only just begun to read and have to comment, LOL.
Think all day long they are one in the same....still won't make it so.
Your ancestors religion has nothing to do with anything.....that "was" the point.
Please feel free to find one single thing Christ taught that was unruly or evil....you claim to be able to do so. By all means...go for it. You can't.
The second sentence that comes from you in response is what I KNEW you would go on a tangent about. The question is WHY? Why harp on a past, that BTW....is not indicative of the present. That is where we are living, yes? I realize so many have a need to cling to the past so as to keep themselves and others around them repressed, but to do so only blindsides the REALITY "at hand."
You don't understand Islam at all, clearly. I'd bet you've never spoken to a Muslim about these issues, and if you did, the other guy probably walked off really heated because you can't concede when you're wrong about something, I can already tell that's how your going to be when you come back with some defense backing Christianity then condemning Islam (when both do exactly the same shit...). You're probably the kind of person who likes to tell people what they believe, then when they correct you, you don't acknowledge it and continue believing in your mutated form of Islam that's deadly and dangerous to everyone who accepts it.
WOAHHHHH, let me tell you something here. I have "spoken" IN DEPTH "to" muslims COUNTLESS times. Can you honestly say the same?
It's interesting how you use the "past" of Christianity only to reinforce the "peace" of islam.
You go on a superfluous tangent to sell people on the premise of their peaceful beliefs.......via the crusades. Talk about irrelavent.
Are you seriously retarded?<---What's that?...other than improper use of questioning.
Perhaps you don't acknowledge your need to be corrected in life?
I'll give you credit where it's due though.......muslims have walked away EXTREMELLLLLLLLLLLLLY frustrated with conversing with me AND HEATED......BECAUSE THEY CANNOT CONCEDE TO BEING UNKNOWLEDEABLE ABOUT THEIR OWN BOOK. Most, yes MOST muslims in America have LITTLE, VERY LITTLE knowledge regarding the quran. Don't EVER attempt to discuss facts with them. They WILL NOT acknowledge it...they will RUN AWAY..."heated."
I never have a problem in admitting when I am wrong....you can view some of my posts amongst these numerous threads for further proof.
In short Panda, the quran is very simply written.......SO much to the point of UTTER BOREDOM. It repeats the same lines SO MANY TIMES.
"for allah is most merciful"
Yo Panda......go talk to a muslim. Make that one-liner the one answer you seek. They WILL walk away EXTREMELY heated if you push that one simple question. They KNOW it is IMPOSSIBLE to find any proof via the quran that he actually is. NOTHING.....they will NEVER EVER be able to provide you with even ONE SINGLE SURAH.
Yeah Panda.......I know nothing. I never speak to any muslims. Oh.....and I'm retarded.
Gotcha.
lmfao... I know my name is a little unusual, but "Panda"??
anyway...
I don't think you quite understand why I feel like there's no difference between Christianity and Islam. I don't think I'm explaining it right. You get why I believe Islam is dangerous, we both agree on that, but you miss my reasons for Christianity, I think it's because you are a self-proclaimed Christian. As I said earlier, an outside observer can see these things clearly, just like you can with them with Islam. I'm sure you can grasp that.
My Christian anscestors were just as irrational and illogical as I think believers are today. My dad is a Christian, same goes for his beliefs. There is nothing wrong with saying that. The point, like I said before, was because you refuse to acknowledge the Christian past, and you justify your accusation that Islam is a violent religion by saying it's violent now. Well, throughout most of our history, Christianity was spread by the sword, believe or die. It's become more secular the past hundred years, a little less violent in correlation with scientific advancements (your welcome), but I guess that's just a coincidence huh... Christianity's peaceful? Tell it to the millions of dead Muslims and non believers and atheists and intellectuals and blasphemers and witches and scientists that have been murdered throughout history in the name of spreading the good word of Christianity. Tell it to the millions of minds that are poisoned before they have a chance to learn correctly.
"Unruly" "Evil" - fuck your subjective Christian meaning, you wouldn't agree with my subjective meaning anyway because mine's not derived from your imaginary friend, so what's the point of that question?
Well, that's the problem with always looking at the present as the most important period, you tend to forget things about the past and repeat them, just like the GOP. History is very important.
When the hell did I ever say Islam was peaceful? Please, point it out. I called it a GUN in comparison to a KNIFE in my earlier post, making it MORE DANGEROUS on the surface, as I've said before. BOTH are dangerous, BOTH should be COMPLETELY ELIMINATED. Islam is not peaceful, not at all. Turn on the TV for proof. Our government just loves exploiting those crazy Muslims...
I'd like to know how such a peaceful thing like Christianity turned into something as violent as the Crusades, fill me in. How do such "peaceful premises" end in such ways?
MOTHERFUCKINGROFL!!!!!! You win. I Concede, I forfeit. If you are telling a devout Muslim they are wrong in their own damn belief and being completely serious about it like you claim you are, then you must be the champion of the universe!! You know all things! You know Islam better than people who might have studied it their whole lives! I bow down to all that is Babs!
If I spoke to another Muslim, the same thing would happen, sure they'd walk away heated and frustrated but DEFINITELY for different reasons than if you were the one talking to them. And I can guarantee you there wouldn't be enough tension between us to keep from sparking up, we'd remain friendly. I can't say the same for the conclusion to an interaction between my Muslim friend and yourself. You're sitting there insisting someones wrong about their very own way of life, and you can't even look at it from the other persons perspective, to see that it would be exactly the same if that Muslim was telling you you know absolutely nothing about Christianity, and you're entire way of life is based on a lie...
CrackerJax
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Can u hear flame?
Babs34
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OK, so I see it's not Panda..oops.
How many times do I need to say it? You canNOT compare the two..even when attempting to do so with the crusades.
Do recall......I'm not responsible for my ancestors actions/beliefs either, ok?
The crusades didn't just stem from nowhere either. Since day one of islams existence, there has always been war with Christians.
You keep misssing the boat here. It is islamic DOCTRINE that encourages ALL muslims to either join the fight or at minimum ...SUPPORT it. Any muslim who knows their religion KNOWS it their duty to do so.
There is NO choice in islam. You MUST support the theory that in the end, it's all muslims--no one else. Do you think they believe it will come about peacefully?
Really now, think again.
Again...I have spoken to MANY DEVOUT muslims. Have you?'
And I don't hate muslims. The only time in which there is "tension" is when faced with acknowledging ANY other surah from the quran OTHER THAN "allah is most merciful" ......FROM the kafir.
Obviously, you have no idea where I am coming from---because you haven't been there.
But rather than attempt to learn anything, you would prefer to remain clueless and continue to make this an argument about the DANGERS of all of us insane Christians.
LMAO........come on, get real.You obviously have not even spent a tiny fraction of the time that I have speaking to muslims and studying it in depth.
There's no need to even tell a muslim that they are wrong. Ask them that one simple question.....they know and it infuriates them. So many times I've been embarassed for them.
The musllims I have spoken to DON'T and would never even DREAM of "sparking up."
You see the difference between what muslims you and I are learning from?
Yes, I can safely say that I know A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT more about islam than you....and I'd of just loved for you to see some of the conversations between us. You might have learned something.
You base your life on a lie......that the two are even remotely comprable.
But as you said earlier.......how can millions be SO wrong? There just must be something to islam because it is the fastest growing religion, right?
Cancer grows quickly too my friend....and if you ignore it long enough, it will do you in.
Remember the saying, "if all your friends jumped off the Brooklyn bridge, would you do that too?"
I wish that was all there was to worry about.....a mass suicide of allah believers, but that's not islams GOAL.
Stay on topic.
Christianity isn't the spy in your life. You're obviously oblivious to what is.
Babs34
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:laughing: flame?
I'm not really sure what that means, but I'm going to chill out on this fine Saturday.
Islam has stolen enough valuable time from my life in the "past" already.
What it offers my future, I will be weary of, while others remain in their own little pretend reality that Christians are SKEERY...correction, SKEERIER
Babs34
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You're sitting there insisting someones wrong about their very own way of life, and you can't even look at it from the other persons perspective, to see that it would be exactly the same if that Muslim was telling you you know absolutely nothing about Christianity, and you're entire way of life is based on a lie...
There you go again....
Isn't that what you are attempting to do here with me? "So"....it's ok for you to do so with me and other"Christians." Right?
But you end that with that "my" life is based on a lie.
You see, the difference is.....I won't kill ya for saying that.
Just so you don't get confused, they heavily argue about the Bible......are you kidding?
If copyrights were being enforced, the quran would have been burned long ago.
The quran is nothing more than a re-write....via God.....allah, aka as the shayton.
I'm betting I lost you there.
There you go again....
Isn't that what you are attempting to do here with me? "So"....it's ok for you to do so with me and other
"Christians." Right?But you end that with that "my" life is based on a lie.
You see, the difference is.....I won't kill ya for saying that.
Just so you don't get confused, they heavily argue about the Bible......are you kidding?
If copyrights were being enforced, the quran would have been burned long ago.
The quran is nothing more than a re-write....via God.....allah, aka as the shayton.
I'm betting I lost you there.
????
If God didn't create the Big Bang than who (or what) did?
Also how did all the water get on earth?
How come the moon doesn't have water?
How many alien races are there in Our "know" universe?
Have there been other big bangs? They could be taking place all the time.
Just some questions I have.
Jesus loves you.
Also how did all the water get on earth?
How come the moon doesn't have water?
How many alien races are there in Our "know" universe?
Have there been other big bangs? They could be taking place all the time.
Just some questions I have.
Jesus loves you.
CrackerJax
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Try cracking a science book open and find out sometime.
morgentaler
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We don't know what created the big bang yet. This is not an explanation for "God".
You could have easily asked "If Britney Spears didn't create the Big Bang, then who (or what) did?"
Using god to fill in unknowns isn't an answer. It's intellectual laziness.
If people accepted god as the answer for everything, you would have been asking these questions on a stone tablet in the Middle East.
http://zebu.uoregon.edu/internet/l2.html
Some of it was part of the matter that originally formed the planet. The rest arrived with comet impacts and other ice bearing space debris.
It does.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/24sep_moonwater.htm
You need to keep up on your science.
If you're going to use questions to debate, you should already know the answers to those questions.
As for why there are no oceans on the moon, and only small amounts of water, the moon lacks the mass to retain an atmosphere via gravity. So any water on the surface would evaporate and off-gas into space.
An unknown quantity. The fact that we can see billions of light years across the universe doesn't mean that we have the scale of technology to detect them. Additionally, due to the dimensions and time scale, you could have 50,000 races evolve from simple nomadic cultures to our current technology in the known universe and still not overlap in a way that we or they would ever detect each other.
Yes, it's possible that Big Bangs are cyclical, and also possible that they occur in other regions which bleed over into our universe.
Apparently so does Teddy Ruxpin. But I don't think his feelings are genuine.
morgentaler
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Now it's my turn to ask some questions:
1) What is the evidence for the existence of God?
2) What is the historical evidence for the existence of Jesus?
3a1) Do you consider the bible to be the inerrant and literal word of god?
If yes, skip to 4.
3a2) Do you consider the bible to be non-literal and symbolic in nature?
If yes, skip t 5.
4) Why are there so many versions of the inerrant and literal word of god?
5) If the bible is non-literal and symbolic, is it also possible that God is symbolic in nature?
6a) Do you believe in Adam and Eve as literal beings?
6b) Do you believe that people are born with sin?
7) If you do not believe in Adam and Eve, but you do believe in people being born with sin, where did that sin come from, if not from Eve's actions in the garden?
I await your answers. Seeing as many people claim the bible has all the answers, I await enlightenment.
1) What is the evidence for the existence of God?
2) What is the historical evidence for the existence of Jesus?
3a1) Do you consider the bible to be the inerrant and literal word of god?
If yes, skip to 4.
3a2) Do you consider the bible to be non-literal and symbolic in nature?
If yes, skip t 5.
4) Why are there so many versions of the inerrant and literal word of god?
5) If the bible is non-literal and symbolic, is it also possible that God is symbolic in nature?
6a) Do you believe in Adam and Eve as literal beings?
6b) Do you believe that people are born with sin?
7) If you do not believe in Adam and Eve, but you do believe in people being born with sin, where did that sin come from, if not from Eve's actions in the garden?
I await your answers. Seeing as many people claim the bible has all the answers, I await enlightenment.
morgentaler
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The word is "Shetan". It is arabic for devil.
The bible is nothing more than a re-write of the Torah, via committe, aka The Council of Nicea.
Thank you, drive through.
Babs34
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Nope, it's SHAYTAN......next.
Babs34
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I'm just going to go ahead and skip right to number 7......Eve tempted Adam and Eve was tempted by the SHAYTAN itself. Look to your avatar for proof of man's stupidity regarding their view of a woman.
anhedonia
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what the hell, thats beauty. Did adam and eve FUCK before the fall of man? I should make a series of erotic art with adam and eve in ecstatic passionate positions before they discovered they were naked and became ashamed and needed a leaf. and believe it or not but thats why we wear clothes to this day.