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[anhedonia]

I find it funny how christians are so quick to detest islam and call it evil. Yet they cant judge themselves. As if thier shit doesnt stink. Ever heard of sufism? Sufis are very peaceful and gentle people.

 

[CrackerJax]

I find it funny how christians are so quick to detest islam and call it evil. Yet they cant judge themselves. As if thier shit doesnt stink. Ever heard of sufism? Sufis are very peaceful and gentle people.

Yes, sufism is actually close to buddhism. Islam (sunni) is very taken up with geneology and the persona of islam, and can be compared to christians in their insistence of correctness in the DETAIL of Islam.... hence all the violence. Christians are the same way..... same problem.

Sufi is more about the mysticism of Islam and the direct personal touch with Mohammad.

 

[Babs34]

I find it funny how christians are so quick to detest islam and call it evil. Yet they cant judge themselves. As if thier shit doesnt stink. Ever heard of sufism? Sufis are very peaceful and gentle people.

...and the first growing thread I go to.......they're fighting, over AIR of all things.
I'm back.
Anhedonia, make no mistake, ALL shit stinks.
Yes, the Sufis are known to be much more "peaceful."
Are you aware why there are two broken sects of Islam?
Regardless, they adhere to the very same teachings......mo, the mad man.
Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll kill eachother off (before the kafir) with what the two sects are so torn over.
"Maybe."
But the "holy" quran says they will come together for the common purpose in the end.
What is that you ask?
Go read.

 

[CrackerJax]

One sect believes in the details of the qaran (sunni) and the other does not (sufi).

An eerie connection to Christianity.

 

[Babs34]

Yes, sufism is actually close to buddhism. Islam (sunni) is very taken up with geneology and the persona of islam, and can be compared to christians in their insistence of correctness in the DETAIL of Islam.... hence all the violence. Christians are the same way..... same problem.

Sufi is more about the mysticism of Islam and the direct personal touch with Mohammad.

WHERE SO MANY AMERICANS LOSE SIGHT......
Sufi is more about the mysticism of Islam and the direct personal touch with Mohammad.

Dear God.........please, PLEASE learn EXPLICITLY WHAT THAT ENTAILS.

Again, too many keep attempting to compare Christ (Christianity) to Mohammdeans (islam).....there SIMPLY is NO comparison.

Yikes CJ.........not even with Buddhism.
Did Buddha rape and kill? Did Buddha see himself as doing the work of God by killing a little girls father and offering, no giving her no option, but to offer the MAJESTIC FAVOR of being his one of numerous wives?.......while poor little Aisha (the BABY of the brides) is his favorite?
Mo was a PSYCHOPATH.

 

[Babs34]

I find it funny how christians are so quick to detest islam and call it evil. Yet they cant judge themselves. As if thier shit doesnt stink. Ever heard of sufism? Sufis are very peaceful and gentle people.

HINT: Abu Bakr
Come back and share all about the PEACE.
Oh, and let's try to stay in the here and now......no need to back to the crusades. Let's stay on topic.
Yeap, those Christians are dangerous I tell ya, LMAO.

 

[anhedonia]

I had a friend who was muslim and was into sufism. This was back before meds when I was psychotic and I thought I was the reincarnation of all these spiritual masters, yet I was a fool and was really in HELL. Anyway, a long story short he explained the only way that you can go to hell in islam is to know Allah as God via, prayer, meditation or any personal realization, and then not convert to Islam. During that time I felt connected to all religions and spiritual traditions.

LOL, but after being on medications all those thoughts that consumed me that I was obsessed by went away, pretty funny.

 

[Babs34]

One sect believes in the details of the qaran (sunni) and the other does not (sufi).

An eerie connection to Christianity.

It goes SO much deeper than that CJ.....SO MUCH.
Again, nothing to do with Christianity. Look, feel free to mock Christianity all day long.......my feelings won't be wounded.
But when you even attempt to compare the two, it's just RIDICULOUS.

 

[CrackerJax]

I mock all religion which takes itself seriously.....

It's all in ur head....

 

[anhedonia]

Well like you said, there is no way to validate ones belief as true or not true, I guess you can only know with a greater or lesser degree. So you want to convince me thier is no attaining a higher degree of spiritual insight through the sufi tradition? And then you have to say something vile about Gautama Buddha. Christians prove to me that we really are lost in time and space. The gratuitous absurdity. like they say, you have to have good karma to understand buddhist teachings and progress towards liberation.

 

[Babs34]

I had a friend who was muslim and was into sufism. This was back before meds when I was psychotic and I thought I was the reincarnation of all these spiritual masters, yet I was a fool and was really in HELL. Anyway, a long story short he explained the only way that you can go to hell in islam is to know Allah as God via, prayer, meditation or any personal realization, and then not convert to Islam. During that time I felt connected to all religions and spiritual traditions.

LOL, but after being on medications all those thoughts that consumed me that I was obsessed by went away, pretty funny.

Your buddy conveniently left out that all who choose to leave Islam, all that CHOOSE to abandon the beliefs (non-muslims included) will burn in allah's eternal hellfire.
Allah embeds in their hearts that Christians and Jews (and even non-believers in general) are "but friends to oneanother" and should be KILLED...for the purpose of islam---so that makes murder ordained via the madman Mo/allah.
Did he share with you their beliefs as to the "levels of heaven?" Allah is a nice guy......he allows you to have your flesh burned several times over to get there.
No worries for those who just don't believe in anything bigger than themselves though.
Ack, today's Saturday.
I don't want to pull out the quran. I could pull out so many numerous surahs that otherwise disprove this theory that islam is even remotely peaceful (whether suffi, shiite or sunni) The truth is that islam, as a WHOLE is hellbound and determined to create a world of nothing other than muslims......but I'll have to pass.
It's up to the individual how much truth they really wish to embark upon. Very obviously, most in this country are content with believing what's convenient......the lie Bush threw out there when stating, "islam is a peaceful religion."
We're talking about people who are in this very day and age cutting off womens breasts, chopping peoples heads off...the list goes on--- if they don't denounce Christ or if they don't just simply convert to islam........really peaceful.
But, let's by all means keep comparing Christ's teachings with that of mo's...makes SO much sense.
:::cringe::::

 

[PadawanBater]

"You guys?" LOL........as if you know for a fact that not even a one of your ancestors was possibly a Christian.

Leave the dark ages where they are....in the PAST.
Rational thinkers, eh? OF COURSE islam is DANGEROUS.....and of course there are "peaceful" muslims. Understand that those muslims who are peaceful are also clueless to their own religion. (allah states in the quran they are hypocrites--not 'true' muslims) They rely HEAVILY on the imams to translate the quran to them. Muslims will tell you that in order to "get" the quran, you simply MUST know arabic.........BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not going to take this in depth........there is NO comparing ANY religion to islam...........IMPOSSIBLE.
Despite what you believe about Christianity, Jesus Christ is HISTORY.......I don't care if you believe "in" Jesus or what you or others believe "about" the possible fallacies recorded. The fact is Jesus was GOOD. Mo ham mad was an evil despicable SOB. The teachings of that pig lead to the fastest growing religion on earth.
Islam prophecy is to RID of ALL others who do not/will not believe as they do. Over and OVER AND OVER, the quran teaches that the goal is to kill off society as we know it. In case you hadn't noticed, they are pretty damned determined to accomplish this too.
Look at Ahmadinejad. This joker should have been removed long ago. Yet, here he still sits to this day, proclaiming he will wipe Israel off the map. Let's not even mention what his wishes are for America. This IS MAINSTREAM MENTALITY IN ISLAM. "allah" demands they prove themselves not to be munafiq.......hypocrites to the religion. He ordains that they LIE for their cause. Jesus and mo ham mad are two total EXTREME OPPOSITES.
You know what? Americans don't know shit about what their 'cause' even is......they're too busy crying about Christians, LOL.........no, but seriously, it surpasses sad.......surpasses pathetic.
Islam, all by itself, IS EXTREME.....islam brings new meaning to EXTREME.
Dangerous to the point of being examined to the core by every single non believer........oh yes, and we are ALL doing that, right?
In order to even delve into the meaning of Islam, you had better have a much better knowledge of every other faith/religion. There's no way to embark upon learning about it any other way.
Christians today are not going to give you an option to either be their slave and subservient to them........while paying the jizya----or DIE.
Muslims will do this. Muslims ARE doing this. Muslims HAVE BEEN doing this for a LONG, LONG time. It's amazing that so many years AFTER 911 that the majority are still suckers about the facts.
Please don't ever attempt to compare Christians.....there just is no comparison. Sorry.
LOL @Christianity being a spy. You have the choice to ignore Christianity. You will not have a choice to ignore islam in the near future.....but by then, it will be too late.

..My ancestors religions are irrelevant. I was just pointing out how you seem to have forgotten the very bloody past of Christianity.

I bet you'd like to forget about "the past" wouldn't you? Well, unfortunately for you, people realize how important it is NOT TO FORGET THE PAST. By remembering the crazy shit that went down throughout our history, we can better avoid such things in the future.

Are you seriously retarded? This has to be the clearest example of the mental disorders believers have if I've ever seen one!!

Rational thinkers, eh? OF COURSE islam is DANGEROUS.....and of course there are "peaceful" muslims. Understand that those muslims who are peaceful are also clueless to their own religion. (allah states in the quran they are hypocrites--not 'true' muslims) They rely HEAVILY on the imams to translate the quran to them. Muslims will tell you that in order to "get" the quran, you simply MUST know arabic.........BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You obviously aren't familiar with the teachings of Jesus Christ as depicted by the bible, Old Testament and New Testament.. oh the OT doesn't apply to today? Why's that again? ...Because if it did you'd be in PRISON. That's why. A fanatical Christian would undoubtably say you are "clueless to your own religion". The amazing thing is you can sit there and judge people for the obvious faults in their belief, but then when the scope is turned around on yourself, it's like you put the blindfold on or something. No Muslim I've ever spoken to has told me I must know arabic to read the Quaran. Just like the Bible, I'm pretty certain the translations or languages a book claiming to know all things while simultaneously being wrong about dozens of established scientific achievements... yeah, prolly doesn't actually know all the things it's claiming to know... but that's just me.. The language barrier would be the last fuckin' thing I'd be worrying about.

Islam and Christianity are exactly the same in my mind. Both are equally as dangerous to the human mind, human progression and the future of mankind on this planet.

You don't understand Islam at all, clearly. I'd bet you've never spoken to a Muslim about these issues, and if you did, the other guy probably walked off really heated because you can't concede when you're wrong about something, I can already tell that's how your going to be when you come back with some defense backing Christianity then condemning Islam (when both do exactly the same shit...). You're probably the kind of person who likes to tell people what they believe, then when they correct you, you don't acknowledge it and continue believing in your mutated form of Islam that's deadly and dangerous to everyone who accepts it. Think about it Babs, ask yourself this, if it was so dangerous and deadly and all the Muslims were killers and people who wanted to end society as we know it... then why in the fuck would there be over a BILLION people practicing it, and why would it be the #2 religion after Christianity? Your logic makes zero sense.

I wasn't aware that you met Jesus, but OK...

I feel threatened by Christianity in one form or another on a daily basis. Like I said, which I don't think you really understood, Christianity is like a spy - in that it doesn't LOOK dangerous to any outside observer, you don't understand how you are being attacked till it's too late and you're already so deep in it, believing it, corroding away your mind, closing the box and shutting the door. Islam is different, islam is clearly dangerous to any outside observer. You can take one look around and see a Muslim blowing himself up in the name of Islam in almost any Islamic country. Personally I'd say Christianity is a bigger threat because of this. It's disguised as something you need and sold as something good, people don't see the immediate affects it has on them.

You can compare guns and knives all you want, but in the end, they both kill people pretty well.

 

[anhedonia]

Have you given thought that you most likely would be proclaiming islam had you been born in the middle east? Or Buddhism if you were born in Sri Lanka or Tibet? But your an American and believe in god and jesus. Just as we would speak a completely different language. Thats pretty simple, right?

 

[Babs34]

..My ancestors religions are irrelevant. I was just pointing out how you seem to have forgotten the very bloody past of Christianity.

I bet you'd like to forget about "the past" wouldn't you? Well, unfortunately for you, people realize how important it is NOT TO FORGET THE PAST. By remembering the crazy shit that went down throughout our history, we can better avoid such things in the future.

Are you seriously retarded? This has to be the clearest example of the mental disorders believers have if I've ever seen one!!

Rational thinkers, eh? OF COURSE islam is DANGEROUS.....and of course there are "peaceful" muslims. Understand that those muslims who are peaceful are also clueless to their own religion. (allah states in the quran they are hypocrites--not 'true' muslims) They rely HEAVILY on the imams to translate the quran to them. Muslims will tell you that in order to "get" the quran, you simply MUST know arabic.........BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You obviously aren't familiar with the teachings of Jesus Christ as depicted by the bible, Old Testament and New Testament.. oh the OT doesn't apply to today? Why's that again? ...Because if it did you'd be in PRISON. That's why. A fanatical Christian would undoubtably say you are "clueless to your own religion". The amazing thing is you can sit there and judge people for the obvious faults in their belief, but then when the scope is turned around on yourself, it's like you put the blindfold on or something. No Muslim I've ever spoken to has told me I must know arabic to read the Quaran. Just like the Bible, I'm pretty certain the translations or languages a book claiming to know all things while simultaneously being wrong about dozens of established scientific achievements... yeah, prolly doesn't actually know all the things it's claiming to know... but that's just me.. The language barrier would be the last fuckin' thing I'd be worrying about.

Islam and Christianity are exactly the same in my mind. Both are equally as dangerous to the human mind, human progression and the future of mankind on this planet.

You don't understand Islam at all, clearly. I'd bet you've never spoken to a Muslim about these issues, and if you did, the other guy probably walked off really heated because you can't concede when you're wrong about something, I can already tell that's how your going to be when you come back with some defense backing Christianity then condemning Islam (when both do exactly the same shit...). You're probably the kind of person who likes to tell people what they believe, then when they correct you, you don't acknowledge it and continue believing in your mutated form of Islam that's deadly and dangerous to everyone who accepts it. Think about it Babs, ask yourself this, if it was so dangerous and deadly and all the Muslims were killers and people who wanted to end society as we know it... then why in the fuck would there be over a BILLION people practicing it, and why would it be the #2 religion after Christianity? Your logic makes zero sense.

I wasn't aware that you met Jesus, but OK...

I feel threatened by Christianity in one form or another on a daily basis. Like I said, which I don't think you really understood, Christianity is like a spy - in that it doesn't LOOK dangerous to any outside observer, you don't understand how you are being attacked till it's too late and you're already so deep in it, believing it, corroding away your mind, closing the box and shutting the door. Islam is different, islam is clearly dangerous to any outside observer. You can take one look around and see a Muslim blowing himself up in the name of Islam in almost any Islamic country. Personally I'd say Christianity is a bigger threat because of this. It's disguised as something you need and sold as something good, people don't see the immediate affects it has on them.

You can compare guns and knives all you want, but in the end, they both kill people pretty well.

:::woot::::I've only just begun to read and have to comment, LOL.
Think all day long they are one in the same....still won't make it so.
Your ancestors religion has nothing to do with anything.....that "was" the point.
Please feel free to find one single thing Christ taught that was unruly or evil....you claim to be able to do so. By all means...go for it. You can't.

The second sentence that comes from you in response is what I KNEW you would go on a tangent about. The question is WHY? Why harp on a past, that BTW....is not indicative of the present. That is where we are living, yes? I realize so many have a need to cling to the past so as to keep themselves and others around them repressed, but to do so only blindsides the REALITY "at hand."
You don't understand Islam at all, clearly. I'd bet you've never spoken to a Muslim about these issues, and if you did, the other guy probably walked off really heated because you can't concede when you're wrong about something, I can already tell that's how your going to be when you come back with some defense backing Christianity then condemning Islam (when both do exactly the same shit...). You're probably the kind of person who likes to tell people what they believe, then when they correct you, you don't acknowledge it and continue believing in your mutated form of Islam that's deadly and dangerous to everyone who accepts it.
WOAHHHHH, let me tell you something here. I have "spoken" IN DEPTH "to" muslims COUNTLESS times. Can you honestly say the same?
It's interesting how you use the "past" of Christianity only to reinforce the "peace" of islam.
You go on a superfluous tangent to sell people on the premise of their peaceful beliefs.......via the crusades. Talk about irrelavent.
Are you seriously retarded?<---What's that?...other than improper use of questioning.
Perhaps you don't acknowledge your need to be corrected in life?
I'll give you credit where it's due though.......muslims have walked away EXTREMELLLLLLLLLLLLLY frustrated with conversing with me AND HEATED......BECAUSE THEY CANNOT CONCEDE TO BEING UNKNOWLEDEABLE ABOUT THEIR OWN BOOK. Most, yes MOST muslims in America have LITTLE, VERY LITTLE knowledge regarding the quran. Don't EVER attempt to discuss facts with them. They WILL NOT acknowledge it...they will RUN AWAY..."heated."
I never have a problem in admitting when I am wrong....you can view some of my posts amongst these numerous threads for further proof.
In short Panda, the quran is very simply written.......SO much to the point of UTTER BOREDOM. It repeats the same lines SO MANY TIMES.
"for allah is most merciful"

Yo Panda......go talk to a muslim. Make that one-liner the one answer you seek. They WILL walk away EXTREMELY heated if you push that one simple question. They KNOW it is IMPOSSIBLE to find any proof via the quran that he actually is. NOTHING.....they will NEVER EVER be able to provide you with even ONE SINGLE SURAH.
Yeah Panda.......I know nothing. I never speak to any muslims. Oh.....and I'm retarded.
Gotcha.

 

[PadawanBater]

Have you given thought that you most likely would be proclaiming islam had you been born in the middle east? Or Buddhism if you were born in Sri Lanka or Tibet? But your an American and believe in god and jesus. Just as we would speak a completely different language. Thats pretty simple, right?

Apparently that point eludes Babs...

 

[Babs34]

Have you given thought that you most likely would be proclaiming islam had you been born in the middle east? Or Buddhism if you were born in Sri Lanka or Tibet? But your an American and believe in god and jesus. Just as we would speak a completely different language. Thats pretty simple, right?

I've thought about it many times. You have no idea.
Christianity is not forced on me.
I also don't have to memorize the Bible and chant it like some robot either.
I have choices. Chalk one up for Christianity!!!

 

[Babs34]

Apparently that point eludes Babs...

Really?
You wouldn't want to concede to being wrong, now would you?

 

[anhedonia]

I like the zen saying, " you bring as much suffering into the world when you take offence as when it is given"....Pretty cool huh. Everyone can learn from that one.

 

[Babs34]

Sorry, LOL, had to do it...). You're probably the kind of person who likes to tell people what they believe

 

[Babs34]

Well like you said, there is no way to validate ones belief as true or not true, I guess you can only know with a greater or lesser degree. So you want to convince me thier is no attaining a higher degree of spiritual insight through the sufi tradition? And then you have to say something vile about Gautama Buddha. Christians prove to me that we really are lost in time and space. The gratuitous absurdity. like they say, you have to have good karma to understand buddhist teachings and progress towards liberation.

Who said anything vile about Buddha?