How to go nowhere

RickWhite

Well-Known Member
This week I had two experiences that made me think about how people sabotage their own lives and ensure that they go nowhere.

First, there is my one temporary employee who has worked for me for the past week and has failed to show up 2 times in 5 days due to her social life. And this girl is in particular need of money right now. She just chose to stay out late instead of getting up for work.

Then there is my regular guy. We take very good care of him; he makes $12/hr and has a company truck and phone. He is generally a good employee and very reliable except he seems to try very hard to keep his own wage down. He does this by generally having his head up his ass. By this I mean he is completely uncontentious and just does not think about what he is doing. He also seems to always look for the slowest way to do everything. It is as if he begins a task and just lets his mind wander off to his special happy place. Ask him to do a 1 hour job and two hours later he will have screwed it up or be in the process of screwing it up. And he does this simply because he doesn't think or doesn't care.

We are actually to the point where we keep him doing his regular production job and hire outsiders to do odd jobs around the shop because we know he will find a way to fuck it up or make a career out of it. Then when we correct him on things he does wrong he makes excuses instead of owning it and just saying he will do better. All I want is for him to say "OK." Instead he wants a damn debate.

Now in fairness he is the best employee I have had. The rest were either unreliable or wanted to tell me how to run my business and didn't want to follow orders. One guy who I found sleeping on the job through a fit when we let him go and felt that we owed him something in exchange for his work despite having been paid in full. The stories go on and on.

So why am I writing this? Well, I'm writing this to point out that my friend was right when he told me that most people are where they are in life for a reason. Now I still insist that this isn't always the case - read the book "rich dad, poor dad." But regardless of whether or not you had a poor dad or have childhood scars which are often devastating, people have to come to terms with the fact that you are ultimately the architect of your own happiness.

Ultimately, it will be your work ethic, your confidence, your attitude, your ability to conduct yourself properly and your choices that will determine how far you go in life. I had a very difficult way to go growing up and for many years I let this keep me from succeeding. In fact, being dyslexic I was systematically prevented from succeeding in school - they didn't have computers back then and they didn't want to know why I couldn't write neatly or spell correctly. So for a long time I worked in construction and other jobs I could get with no degree and I hated it like poison. It was not until I took control of my own life and decided to take the bull by the horns and start my own business that my situation improved.

But my story isn't that unusual. Yes, it is harder for some than for others. But, every day I do business with people who came here from war torn countries and brutal dictatorships. I see people sleeping on cots in the back of their business. I see people working 18 hour days and I see these people's lives eventually get better and better. In the meanwhile I also see lazy people who refuse to work. I hear young men at the lunch counter talk about how unfair life is and how they should burn down the business' of the guys working their fingers to the bone because they say, "they ain't giving us nothing."

I see every day the the stark contrast between those who are going somewhere and those who are going nowhere. I see it, I hear it and I know the reasons for it. The reason lies solely with the individual. It lies in how that person thinks and what they are willing to do. It lies in the decisions they make and in their attitude and their work ethic. Those who are willing to get out there and work hard can and do make it in America. Those that sit around whining about how unfair the world is and how America owes them a living go nowhere.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
I agree.

BTW Did you ever think that maybe the reason you do not attract good workers is because you pay poor wages or perhaps they don't feel up to doing a good job because of a personality conflict with the boss? Im not sure what line of work you hire out for, but in my neck of the woods $12 an hour is starting wage for a job that requires any kind of skill. The average worker is making $22/hour.

Anyways, food for thought, I always wondered why I had such bad attrition rates when I first got my business going and I found out the main problem was me.
 

Carl Moss

Active Member
I agree wholeheartedly that both of the employees that you mentioned are self-saboteurs, and are victims of their own actions. However, please don't let that negatively affect your view of the downtrodden. I have worked many temp jobs in my life and was treated like shit at the vast majority of them. I realized that the reason I had to take these jobs was because of mistakes in my past. I never bitched, I never slacked, I never acted out. If anything the treatment I received from some companies only made me work even harder to prove that I wasn't just another "stupid temp." Eventually this worked out for me and I was offered a great job with a great company. Of course then I got laid off, but that's neither here nor there.

I guess my point is that yes, many many people who are in bad shape are victims of their own poor decisions. However, there are also many more - like me - who realize that we fucked up when young and just need the right opportunity to prove ourselves. Don't let the bad experiences you've had with a few employees make you think that there aren't people like me out there who will bust their asses and earn every penny that they are paid.
 

RickWhite

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I agree wholeheartedly that both of the employees that you mentioned are self-saboteurs, and are victims of their own actions. However, please don't let that negatively affect your view of the downtrodden. I have worked many temp jobs in my life and was treated like shit at the vast majority of them. I realized that the reason I had to take these jobs was because of mistakes in my past. I never bitched, I never slacked, I never acted out. If anything the treatment I received from some companies only made me work even harder to prove that I wasn't just another "stupid temp." Eventually this worked out for me and I was offered a great job with a great company. Of course then I got laid off, but that's neither here nor there.

I guess my point is that yes, many many people who are in bad shape are victims of their own poor decisions. However, there are also many more - like me - who realize that we fucked up when young and just need the right opportunity to prove ourselves. Don't let the bad experiences you've had with a few employees make you think that there aren't people like me out there who will bust their asses and earn every penny that they are paid.
You are describing my life and I hear you 100%. The difference is that some of us eventually become self aware while others don't.
 

RickWhite

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I agree.

BTW Did you ever think that maybe the reason you do not attract good workers is because you pay poor wages or perhaps they don't feel up to doing a good job because of a personality conflict with the boss? Im not sure what line of work you hire out for, but in my neck of the woods $12 an hour is starting wage for a job that requires any kind of skill. The average worker is making $22/hour.

Anyways, food for thought, I always wondered why I had such bad attrition rates when I first got my business going and I found out the main problem was me.

$22 per hour! Where do you live Manhattan? I pay and treat my employees very well. In fact $12 hour is a lot for this type of work.

What do you mean by "personality conflict with the boss" and how does that enter into an employment situation? I'm not hiring a buddy or a friend, I'm hiring an employee. Show up on time and do what you are told. Where is the conflict?

BTW, my guy takes breaks at his own discretion and is generally his own boss.

Many of the people I have dealt with have just had piss poor attitudes. Some haven't even managed to pass a phone interview. Oh and I forgot about the guy who I was set to hire until he was pushing for me to reveal my trade secrets to him despite my saying no. After he kept pushing, I declined to hire him and he went ballistic accusing me of screwing him over and talking all kinds of shit to me.

I have come to learn that when you are looking for a $12 man you either get a kid, a guy with limited potential (my guy) or a guy with a piss poor attitude and work ethic.
 

ilkhan

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"The guy who I was set to hire until he was pushing for me to reveal my trade secrets to him despite my saying no. After he kept pushing, I declined to hire him and he went ballistic accusing me of screwing him over."

Do you own the Crusty Crab?
Cause I think Plankton is trying to get your Crabby Patties.
 

Carl Moss

Active Member
I have come to learn that when you are looking for a $12 man you either get a kid, a guy with limited potential (my guy) or a guy with a piss poor attitude and work ethic.
Don't be so sure about that. For $12 an hour I'd shovel shit barefoot for 10 hours a day and give you a sincere thanks for the opportunity. Of course I live in one of the most economically devastated areas in the nation, so maybe it's different where you are.
 

RickWhite

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"The guy who I was set to hire until he was pushing for me to reveal my trade secrets to him despite my saying no. After he kept pushing, I declined to hire him and he went ballistic accusing me of screwing him over."

Do you own the Crusty Crab?
Cause I think Plankton is trying to get your Crabby Patties.
I gotta thank you for the laugh. Good stuff!
 

RickWhite

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Don't be so sure about that. For $12 an hour I'd shovel shit barefoot for 10 hours a day and give you a sincere thanks for the opportunity. Of course I live in one of the most economically devastated areas in the nation, so maybe it's different where you are.
Like I said, I had a very hard way to go growing up and life really gave me the shaft. I spent years in miserable jobs with no possibility of advancement. Nobody would give me a chance because I didn't have a degree. I know all about being marginalized.

But the fact is guys like us are a rare exception. My business is in Detroit where the unemployment rate is catastrophic. A good portion of the City doesn't want to work and another just wants to poke their head in the door to see if you have anything to steal.

If I were to consider the causes that would be a whole other topic. I would start with the family and with their childhood. Who would have guessed that kids without fathers are negatively affected after all? And then there are the poorly conceived social programs that reward laziness.
 

maxamus1

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it's f***ed up that my generation and the younger ones want top dollar for everything but don't want to do anything to earn it. our parents broke their back to get us what we needed, and we show our appreciation by being lazy jack asses. we wounder why companies go over seas. now i am not saying all of us are but most of us are. we need to stop thinking that we are owed something by everyone, get the chip off our shoulders and do the right thing.
 

RickWhite

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it's f***ed up that my generation and the younger ones want top dollar for everything but don't want to do anything to earn it. our parents broke their back to get us what we needed, and we show our appreciation by being lazy jack asses. we wounder why companies go over seas. now i am not saying all of us are but most of us are. we need to stop thinking that we are owed something by everyone, get the chip off our shoulders and do the right thing.
Very true. And many of our parents suffered poverty we can not imagine as immigrants. People used to darn socks for crying out loud. The standard of living of our grandparents was far lower than that of poor people today.

Could be worse though. Recently in France thousands of young people rioted when the Government considered reversing a law that stops employers from firing them without meeting stringent legal criteria for doing so.

Of course they can't comprehend that such laws are responsible for their ultra high unemployment rate.
 

Green Cross

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Very true. And many of our parents suffered poverty we can not imagine as immigrants. People used to darn socks for crying out loud. The standard of living of our grandparents was far lower than that of poor people today.

Could be worse though. Recently in France thousands of young people rioted when the Government considered reversing a law that stops employers from firing them without meeting stringent legal criteria for doing so.

Of course they can't comprehend that such laws are responsible for their ultra high unemployment rate.
I can't agree that the standard of living of our grandparents was much lower, unless you're referring to the period during the worst of the great depression, but even during the depression, folks in the county did alright, compared to those who stayed in the inner-city.

Sure we have more gadgets now, but because our currency had real value, a dollar went a long way. What can you buy for $12 today?
Most people don't realize that wages in the 1960's were actually higher than they are now, for the most part because Pres, Nixon removed the gold standard, because there wasn't enough gold to cover the amount of currency they wanted to print.
See if you can figure out what year that was by looking at this chart:


Anyhow, on topping those who have a harder time of it, need to try harder, but the work ethic isn't what it used to be.

I can't give identifiable details here, but I can assure you, I've had as hard a time as anyone, yet I managed to choose a career, and achieved great success, by applying myself.

I worry about those who have no discipline, and refuse to apply themselves, because when bread goes to $100 a loaf, only the strong are going to survive.

See gold rising everyday? That's actually the dollar at new lows, and we ain't seen nothing yet. Those who have no clue what I'm talking about here, should google Ron Paul 1980's, he saw all this coming even back then.

We can't continue to just print our way out of every financial crises. I'm off topic again, but economics is where my head is at today.
 

Big P

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I can't agree that the standard of living of our grandparents was much lower, unless you're referring to the period during the worst of the great depression, but even during the depression, folks in the county did alright, compared to those who stayed in the inner-city.

Sure we have more gadgets now, but because our currency had real value, a dollar went a long way. What can you buy for $12 today?
Most people don't realize that wages in the 1960's were actually higher than they are now, for the most part because Pres, Nixon removed the gold standard, because there wasn't enough gold to cover the amount of currency they wanted to print.
See if you can figure out what year that was by looking at this chart:


Anyhow, on topping those who have a harder time of it, need to try harder, but the work ethic isn't what it used to be.

I can't give identifiable details here, but I can assure you, I've had as hard a time as anyone, yet I managed to choose a career, and achieved great success, by applying myself.

I worry about those who have no discipline, and refuse to apply themselves, because when bread goes to $100 a loaf, only the strong are going to survive.

See gold rising everyday? That's actually the dollar at new lows, and we ain't seen nothing yet. Those who have no clue what I'm talking about here, should google Ron Paul 1980's, he saw all this coming even back then.

We can't continue to just print our way out of every financial crises. I'm off topic again, but economics is where my head is at today.


ya but this begs the question where can one put his money? I think its clear they are going to ruin this county and with it all our wealth, you cant buy gold at this high price thats just crazy. and obama shot the dollar to shit faster than ever I think

so where do we put our chedder?
 

NoDrama

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ya but this begs the question where can one put his money? I think its clear they are going to ruin this county and with it all our wealth, you cant buy gold at this high price thats just crazy. and obama shot the dollar to shit faster than ever I think

so where do we put our chedder?

Silver my friend, buy lots of silver, its still under $18 an ounce. And if you think you can't buy gold at this high price, wait til gold costs $3000 an oz.
 

Dfunk

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You really should know where to put your money...things you NEED not WANT. Water, food, a sturdy shelter in a prime location. That's my opinion.
 
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