Coco Growers Unite!

jberry

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Something I haven't shown in my pics yet is that I grew most of my girls in 6" net pots but 2 were grown in 2 gal regular plastic flower pots. All contained the same media and all were watered when the pot got light.
The net pot plants look amazing compared to the flower pot girls. I will try to do some side by side later on. I have one of the net girls that is wanting her picture taken anyway.:roll:
try smart pots
 

snail240

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OH MY GOD, dude NOOOO!!!! no, no, no, man that stuff probably has so much toxic crap in , it's pathetic. go online, go to a hydro store find some coco, for me Canna is the best. but there are alot of other brands out there. google "Canna Coco Coir" they have videos on you tube explaining the process in which it is made. you see the better quality coco is actually the dust and small coconut husk shavings that are produced when seperating the fibers from the shell of the coconut. not to say that others don't work, they just don't work as well to me. but yea that's more than likely the reason your Ph is all over the place. but that's just my opinion. research it thought.



PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
Good deal because I bought a big block of coir (havent used it yet) that I bought from hydro store. I used chips from pet store they seem to be growing well minus ph problems.

I washed the petstore brand for like 6 hours in a smart pot with the shower running to get it clean prolly should have washed longer.

From what your saying though this coir from grow shop should be way less hassle so now im pretty pumped. Was kinda bummed when I had to wash it for so long.
 

ZEN MASTER

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Good deal because I bought a big block of coir (havent used it yet) that I bought from hydro store. I used chips from pet store they seem to be growing well minus ph problems.

I washed the petstore brand for like 6 hours in a smart pot with the shower running to get it clean prolly should have washed longer.

From what your saying though this coir from grow shop should be way less hassle so now im pretty pumped. Was kinda bummed when I had to wash it for so long.
it should be way less hassle. damn man six hours to clean some stuff you aint even supposed to be using. yea man hydro grade( loose or slabs)should be the only stuff you use. and if possible ONLY use coco specific products(trust me on this one). second if you get an A-B mix, never mix them together always mix your A with some water shake it add your B then the rest of your water.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
 

Corwin

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Some may have different results than me in coco. Not trying to grow trees outside, just a simple sog, trying to get as much from the small space and amount of light as I can.

Having said that I followed Canna's nute schedule and used all their suggested nutes. Only variation being, I added about 10% perlite and I used RO/DI water and CalMAg instead of tap water. Simple drain to waste at about 10 -15 %.

You can look at the differences for yourself in the containers.

I think the plants liked the added air that drying out more frequently provided for them. To that end I am going to a smaller container(watered more often) next cycle. The next cycle will be in 3.75" pots even closer together.

Ok here are the plants.
A lineup of 5 the one on the right is the 2 gal pot. Much smaller cola, less density.


Hard to tell so here is a closer shot of the smaller plant(big pot).



And the other girls again.



I would guess that it weighs half of what the others do. And of course this is not exactly scientific as they were all grown from seed. But both seeds grown in large pots were smaller. As a matter of fact the roots never tried to escape the net pots using this method.

Jberry I would be interested in your experience regarding this. Root management was one of the points That Cannna really shined through on. Some of my friends using GH nutes are scratching their heads and pruning their roots. :mrgreen:
 

Corwin

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she is a it taller than the others and the cola is not quiet as fat but probably not much difference in yield when the day is done. we shall see. But she sure is purty.

Grown in coco.
 

jberry

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Some may have different results than me in coco. Not trying to grow trees outside, just a simple sog, trying to get as much from the small space and amount of light as I can.

Having said that I followed Canna's nute schedule and used all their suggested nutes. Only variation being, I added about 10% perlite and I used RO/DI water and CalMAg instead of tap water. Simple drain to waste at about 10 -15 %.

You can look at the differences for yourself in the containers.

I think the plants liked the added air that drying out more frequently provided for them. To that end I am going to a smaller container(watered more often) next cycle. The next cycle will be in 3.75" pots even closer together.

Ok here are the plants.
A lineup of 5 the one on the right is the 2 gal pot. Much smaller cola, less density.


Hard to tell so here is a closer shot of the smaller plant(big pot).



And the other girls again.



I would guess that it weighs half of what the others do. And of course this is not exactly scientific as they were all grown from seed. But both seeds grown in large pots were smaller. As a matter of fact the roots never tried to escape the net pots using this method.

Jberry I would be interested in your experience regarding this. Root management was one of the points That Cannna really shined through on. Some of my friends using GH nutes are scratching their heads and pruning their roots. :mrgreen:
it could very easily be the phenotype and not the containers...

although you are right in thinking that feeding more often will give you a slight boost in yield. I suggested smart pots because they will provide more aeration and will also provide the "air pruning" that your netted pots provided without spilling coco out of the slits... I'm just trying smart pots for the first time (i used ten 2gal. smart pots mixed in with my normal 2 gal. pots). I have noticed that the smart pots take more water, and are still the first ones to dry out (more feedings in smart pots). But overall, the plants dont look much different at this point.

it might be the containers causing the difference but i bet it is more likely the seeds.
 

Corwin

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it could very easily be the phenotype and not the containers...

it might be the containers causing the difference but i bet it is more likely the seeds.
I will try some clones when I get around to this strain again. I kept a few from this last grow but I am really having a time getting them back into veg. These girls showed sex at 10 days of 12/12 and after 4-5 weeks of 24 they are still not growing.
 

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Im gonna start my second journal soon i got a 5x5 tent with a 400 and 600 hps clones that are looking good 2 chem dawg 2 super skunk and 2 og kush im using canna coco for the first time and i can say im gonna need help Ive got the canna a and b rhysotonic cannazime myco maddness for right now i used them half strength im thinking i should have went quarter strength because there is a little curling happening im using half gal bags the ph was 5.9 im not sure how to read the ec on my tri meter it was at 203 not sure what that means. any suggestions on the strength i should go with with small clones
 

Corwin

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I do start with a VERY weak solution at first. and you can go even lower with the ph I usually shoot for 5.5 .
The girls will gradually be able to take more and more nutes. Make sure you get some drainage when you water and only water when the pots seem quiet light. You will develop a feel for how it feels when you just watered it and like 1/2 the weight is about right to water again.

GL
 

Corwin

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are they like air pots?

http://www.superoots.com/air_intro.htm

I'm gonna be running with these on my next cycle with coco. Can't wait to try them. I will run a side by side (from clones) with a normal pot to compare against the air pots.
No the same concept but with a fabric bag. Air pots are plastic with a cone shaped hole that does the pruning. The fabric bag is supposed to be porous enough to act in this fashion without additional engineering.
http://www.smartpots.com/
 

SnowWhite

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No the same concept but with a fabric bag. Air pots are plastic with a cone shaped hole that does the pruning. The fabric bag is supposed to be porous enough to act in this fashion without additional engineering.
http://www.smartpots.com/
cool. They look good too. But I'm totally set on trying these air pots. They do look very well engineered/designed, and I like that kind of thing! :)

I'd be running them already if one of the machines at their factory hadn't broken down. Causing a shortage in stock when I needed them! Damn it!! Next grow though.
 

marcraiderfan

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I am about to start my first grow. I have a 6.5' x 10' room 7 ' high and am using two 1000w hps for flowering. I am using the same switchable ballasts and room to veg my clones with two MH bulbs for my first veg cycle and start on a veg room for my next.
Friends are trying to talk me out of using coco as a medium for my first grow, but my friend at the garden store swears by it.
So here is what I have planned. I will be starting with 12 clones of indica(not sure of the strains yet) and using 10 gal smart pots in two 4'x4' trays. I will set up a a drain for the trays into a reservior and will re-use water for a week. I have a 50 gallon water storage that will gravity feed the plants..probably by hand at first. I am thinking about lining the bottom of the trays with 3 inches of coco under the pots.
Since this is my frst grow and I am a newbe to this it is most people on this site and others to abandon this plan and just use soil. I would appreciate any advice I could get and recomendations on wether or not I should attempt this for my first grow or just (KISS) and go with soil.

I am looking forward to hearing from you experienced coco growers.
 

SnowWhite

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I am about to start my first grow. I have a 6.5' x 10' room 7 ' high and am using two 1000w hps for flowering. I am using the same switchable ballasts and room to veg my clones with two MH bulbs for my first veg cycle and start on a veg room for my next.
Friends are trying to talk me out of using coco as a medium for my first grow, but my friend at the garden store swears by it.
So here is what I have planned. I will be starting with 12 clones of indica(not sure of the strains yet) and using 10 gal smart pots in two 4'x4' trays. I will set up a a drain for the trays into a reservior and will re-use water for a week. I have a 50 gallon water storage that will gravity feed the plants..probably by hand at first. I am thinking about lining the bottom of the trays with 3 inches of coco under the pots.
Since this is my frst grow and I am a newbe to this it is most people on this site and others to abandon this plan and just use soil. I would appreciate any advice I could get and recomendations on wether or not I should attempt this for my first grow or just (KISS) and go with soil.

I am looking forward to hearing from you experienced coco growers.
Personally, if I were you, go with coco. As long as you're prepared to get the right nutes and follow a specific feeding schdule, I don't think you'll regret it. Listen to your friend at the garden store and take lots of his advice to get you started. There are lots of knowledgable people on here who will help you too.

:peace:
 

Corwin

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Personally, if I were you, go with coco. As long as you're prepared to get the right nutes and follow a specific feeding schdule, I don't think you'll regret it. Listen to your friend at the garden store and take lots of his advice to get you started. There are lots of knowledgable people on here who will help you too.

:peace:
The coco medium is a very good one. Each has it's advantages and drawbacks. Most of the full service grow shops around me recommend coco to first time growers as an easy to succeed method. If you go with a nute like Canna that has a coco specific nute and follow their instructions you will be impressed with the outcome. About the only required equipment is a PH meter of some sort. I have hand watered my whole cycle and used net pots that cost less than $1.00 each. The Canna coco is a good value. I went the cheap way and it cost me more than it was worth to do all the washing and buffering. Canna is ready to go from the bag.

Of course the style of grow and kind of plant you intend to grow affects how you go about it, as the same size pot is not for all sizes of plants and grow stiles. Read up on this site and it will help you figure out what is best for you.

I grow SOG style with very short plants (under 24"). if you go back a few pages you will see some of the pics of my plants or just click my grow journal below.
 

ZEN MASTER

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The coco medium is a very good one. Each has it's advantages and drawbacks. Most of the full service grow shops around me recommend coco to first time growers as an easy to succeed method. If you go with a nute like Canna that has a coco specific nute and follow their instructions you will be impressed with the outcome. About the only required equipment is a PH meter of some sort. I have hand watered my whole cycle and used net pots that cost less than $1.00 each. The Canna coco is a good value. I went the cheap way and it cost me more than it was worth to do all the washing and buffering. Canna is ready to go from the bag.

Of course the style of grow and kind of plant you intend to grow affects how you go about it, as the same size pot is not for all sizes of plants and grow stiles. Read up on this site and it will help you figure out what is best for you.

I grow SOG style with very short plants (under 24"). if you go back a few pages you will see some of the pics of my plants or just click my grow journal below.
well said corwin. hey marc look i've been using coco for a while and to me it is great , and it is real easy to get yuor nutes dailed in. it just has so many advantages it's crazy, and with the set up you are starting with you should have real good success off the bat. so hey start your journal up and get some pics up. in my journal though i just used the basic things needed; A-B nutes, coco medium, and a bloom booster. i did that to show anybody interested in using coco that it can be done on a very tight budget. mind you the other additives that Canna offers are great, but some cost. but anyway that's just me running my mouth. check me out though. hey congrats on the decision to go to coco, like corwin said listen to your hydro guy. and don't hesitate to ask anyone here, cause i can imagine that whoever is on this thread is just as ready for you to get on board, as you are ready to get on board.



PACE!!!
-ZEN-
 

snail240

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it should be way less hassle. damn man six hours to clean some stuff you aint even supposed to be using. yea man hydro grade( loose or slabs)should be the only stuff you use. and if possible ONLY use coco specific products(trust me on this one). second if you get an A-B mix, never mix them together always mix your A with some water shake it add your B then the rest of your water.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
Ill pick up some nutes made for coco. What kind should I get I have been using humbolts oness program for like 6 months but I will go buy different coco brand nutes and try them out if they work better.

Couldnt be more then $60 for the nutes made for coco right? And what brand do you use Zen ill go get some tomarow maybe my plants will love me more.bongsmilie
 
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