Religion Has Done More Bad Than Good

[Mauihund]

I didn't say christians as ppl... I said the religion.... and yes it's based on lies.

Mexicans can't drive. You left that one out.

Thanks for catching that. I'd get in trouble around here if word got out I was unfair to anyone. God forbid!



You say that Christianity is based on a lie. That means you know the truth pretty well in order to make that comparison. I'm curious what you think that truth is? Lets just assume buds have some role in this.

 

[PadawanBater]

Thanks for catching that. I'd get in trouble around here if word got out I was unfair to anyone. God forbid!



You say that Christianity is based on a lie. That means you know the truth pretty well in order to make that comparison. I'm curious what you think that truth is? Lets just assume buds have some role in this.

The truth is that NOBODY knows the truth. Anyone that says they do (Christians, Muslims, Jews, all religions) is lying.

 

[CrackerJax]

I know that the old testament is a hijacked testament. true or no? If you aren't Jewish, the old testament doesn't apply to you. Period at the end of that sentence.

G*D implicitly tells the Jews that G*D and the Jews will forever be linked. The Old Testament is a JEWISH G*D, no one else's. Their tribal religion,and it was never for outsiders. You are either part of the clan, or you aren't.

So, what is the Old Testament doing in the Bible? Riddle me that one Batman..

Hijack.

Then the common answer may be heard. jews broke the covenant with G*D, so they're out and we're in (so to speak).

That is certainly how the church behaves. History shows that once Christianity was plucked from relative oblivion, and joined itself to an Empire, the Jews were in for a bad bad time.

Because that was the crux of the biscuit now wasn't it? The Jews breaking of the covenant... according to the church (powers) it was the Jews DENIAL of the supposed Jesus which broke their covenant with G*D. Says who? says the folks in charge with all the power.

Zip... Old testament now ours. The new and improved religion.

This brings us to the main lie. You cannot use the new Testament against the Old. The Old ends with the Jews firmly blessed for all eternity and destruction for those that harm them (only fitting since they wrote it).

So a lie is needed to over come it. To overcome the rejection the early Christians must have felt towards their home land, like an orphaned child the church struck out with the story of Jesus. To break the covenant. But one religion cannot say another is no longer valid, unless you own that religion as well. The Old Testament was needed to be coupled with the New.

Motive, opportunity and gain. In a court room, it wouldn't even be close.

They'd be dusting off the hot seat.

 

[Mauihund]

The truth is that NOBODY knows the truth. Anyone that says they do (Christians, Muslims, Jews, all religions) is lying.

Even yourself? Are you lying? You say you can see the lie, but that HAS to mean that you can see the truth first. There's no other way to see a lie, regardless of the subject. You have to judge based on what you beleive to be the truth.

If I believed you, that everyone is lying, I'd have to disbelieve you, too. That sounds wrong. Someone has to be telling the truth.

 

[tourima]

Even yourself? Are you lying? You say you can see the lie, but that HAS to mean that you can see the truth first. There's no other way to see a lie, regardless of the subject. You have to judge based on what you beleive to be the truth.

If I believed you, that everyone is lying, I'd have to disbelieve you, too. That sounds wrong. Someone has to be telling the truth.

Why on earth does somebody have to be telling the truth? In case you havent noticed, human history is a giant litany of fucking shite up and being DEAD wrong. I agree completely with PadwanBater, these people who claim to just KNOW the answers, are the hallmark of religion. That sort of arrogance, that 'I know for certain when in reality nothing is certain' is WHY logical, rational people loathe religion. Because it permits people who DON'T know all the answers, to think that they DO.

As Bill Maher put it..."[if the world does end] it will be because mankind was able to precipitate mass death...before he got over the disease of WISHING for it."

 

[PadawanBater]

Even yourself? Are you lying? You say you can see the lie, but that HAS to mean that you can see the truth first. There's no other way to see a lie, regardless of the subject. You have to judge based on what you beleive to be the truth.

If I believed you, that everyone is lying, I'd have to disbelieve you, too. That sounds wrong. Someone has to be telling the truth.

No, that's false. I do not have to know the truth to know something is false.

Example;

5 x 2 = ???

If I did not know the answer, could I then conclude that 5 x 2 = 8? No. You know 8 is not the answer. The same logic applies about any truth.

I'm saying nobody knows the truth. I admit to it. Religion, and religious people, say they do know the truth. The fact that I know nobody knows the truth tells me that the truth actually is that nobody knows.

lmfao

 

[CrackerJax]

Even yourself? Are you lying? You say you can see the lie, but that HAS to mean that you can see the truth first. There's no other way to see a lie, regardless of the subject. You have to judge based on what you beleive to be the truth.

If I believed you, that everyone is lying, I'd have to disbelieve you, too. That sounds wrong. Someone has to be telling the truth.

No... it's always possible that everyone is lying. This is the case with religion.

I went to the trouble of spelling out the christian lie... no comment? I did it on ur request...

 

[Green Cross]

No... it's always possible that everyone is lying. This is the case with religion.

I went to the trouble of spelling out the christian lie... no comment? I did it on ur request...

Calling the Christian religion a lie is something you can't prove, so your statement isn't true is it? It's just you opinoin

Look up declarative statement next time, if you want to debate using the rules of logic. Google it

 

[CrackerJax]

Just read the post. the lie is evident. It is proven. Disprove what I typed please.

It's all correct and in context.

 

[Green Cross]

Just read the post. the lie is evident. It is proven. Disprove what I typed please.

It's all correct and in context.

I only got through the first sentence, and found a discrepancy.

If Jesus is the Jewish messiah, and Jews at the time recognized it first, and Paul was the disciple to the gentiles, there was no hijacking of a religion, because he was sent to the Jews first.

You're facts are wrong.

You obviously have no understanding of the bible, or times/events.

Maybe you should study religion before attempting to debate it?

 

[CrackerJax]

I'm talking about the Old Testament. It doesn't belong to you. It's not meant for non jews. Are you jewish?

 

[tourima]

I don't think there's anything remotely empricial that proves anything of any of the abrahamic religions. jesus was a story that existed thousands of years before, in mithra, krisna, and horus.

he's old news and so are most religions.

 

[styxxoo1]

Worse thing EVER thought up... nothing against belief.. believe whatever the hell you want... that's the point of freedom...
But when large groups of people come together and try to enforce this belief on others..... then religion is born and wars break out..

The thing is that most mainstream beliefs are rather selfish... in a "non-believers go to hell" kinda way...
Thus having these fanatics develop a hero complex and whist trying to save "souls" tend to do nothing but cause annoyance and conflict...

 

[snail240]

Calling the Christian religion a lie is something you can't prove, so your statement isn't true is it? It's just you opinoin

Look up declarative statement next time, if you want to debate using the rules of logic. Google it

So wait people can rise from the dead? And split the sea in half?

Yeah I think its been proven fake. Kinda like how you will only see Chris Angel float on TV but in real life he is on the ground signing his picture. Your telling me that this guy has the power to fly and hes just gonna stand here and sign pictures? Hells no he would be floating who stands on their feet when they can float.

 

[Mauihund]

I do not have to know the truth to know something is false.

Yes you do. Using your example, if you knew that 5 x 2 = 10, than an answer of 8 would be false. If you were in grade school, your teacher would put a big red mark on your paper.

If I did not know the answer, could I then conclude that 5 x 2 = 8? No. You know 8 is not the answer. The same logic applies about any truth.

I'm not sure I'm following you. Are you saying because I didn't know the true answer to 5 x 2, I can't just pick what ever answer I want to? Because I just know there is a true answer? Not trying to be difficult, here. (it just comes naturally. )

I'm saying nobody knows the truth. I admit to it. Religion, and religious people, say they do know the truth. The fact that I know nobody knows the truth tells me that the truth actually is that nobody knows.

lmfao

I'm still working on that last sentence. Because you know no one knows the truth, you have learned the truth. Which you now have and are advocating in this discussion. It seems very cyclical to me.

 

[Green Cross]

I'm talking about the Old Testament. It doesn't belong to you. It's not meant for non jews. Are you jewish?

The old testament is all that was available at the time Christ walked the earth, and it predicted Christs coming. When his followers quoted scripture they were Jew's quoting from the old testament.

When Jesus read scripture in the temple, he was a Jew reading from the Old testament.

The more you talk the more obvious you have no clue about what Christianity is.

 

[CrackerJax]

It predicted a messiah, as ALL religions do. No mention of who it would be.

It is you who deny urself to be a Jew. The Old Testament is a Jewish text. Jesus read from the Old Testament because he was a Jew.

You must either recognize urself as a rebel sect of Judaism, and you are truly a Jew, or admit you have no business copping the OT. Jesus never considered himself anything but a Jew. Jesus was talking to Jews and NO ONE ELSE. His teaching were never intended for ppl outside the tribe. That's plain enough.

I think I know more than you do..... your perspective is colored a bit. Know where you come from.... know who you are.

Christians are either Jews, or hypocrites. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Green Cross]

For the past 2000 years 95% of the worlds wars were about religon..

Your completly right.

Let's see:

WW I
WW II
Korea
The Cold War
Vietnam
The Civil War
The Spanish American War


Yep 995 all wars are caused by religion

 

[Green Cross]

It predicted a messiah, as ALL religions do. No mention of who it would be.

It is you who deny urself to be a Jew. The Old Testament is a Jewish text. Jesus read from the Old Testament because he was a Jew.

You must either recognize urself as a rebel sect of Judaism, and you are truly a Jew, or admit you have no business copping the OT. Jesus never considered himself anything but a Jew. Jesus was talking to Jews and NO ONE ELSE. His teaching were never intended for ppl outside the tribe. That's plain enough.

I think I know more than you do..... your perspective is colored a bit. Know where you come from.... know who you are.

Christians are either Jews, or hypocrites. You can't have it both ways.

Salvation has been opened to the Gentiles, or would you prefer that only Jews participate in God's plan for salvation? Maybe consult Jews for Jesus if you think Jews and Christians can't see things from the same point of view.

But I have a question for you, because I think you don't even know your own heritage. I could be wrong, but where did Caucasians come from?

And why are you so determined to undermine religion, knowing this exactly what Stalin and Hitler did to undermine the people. You're a neo-Marxist like Obama right? At least be honest and explain your agenda.

 

[Mauihund]

Sorry about that. I wasn't trying to ignore what you wrote. It's interesting, but I just don't know enough about what you wrote to have a very good opinion. I'll take a stab at it, but hold a tooth pick to my eye and I'll happily change my mind.

Christians entire religion is a lie.

So, if I can find something about the Christian religion that isn't a lie, then will you be willing to reconsider your position? It sounds like your opinion is based solely on this statement. To be so all encompassing in your understanding of Christianity and what is the lie, you have to know a lot of stuff.

Give back the old testament, it's not yours.

Take it. It's yours. Always was, always will be. Who is stopping you from learning from the Old Testament? The Christians? Bull shit! They have nothing to do with your life if you don't want them to. Or, have you personally been forced out of your home and persecuted for what you chose to read and believe? I didn't think so.

The Jews have never broken the covenant with G*D. G*D himself (by the writings of the Old Testament) said that was an impossibility.

Then why did they wander in the desert for 40 years instead of being guided directly to the promised land? I have a bible at home. I'm willing to dust it off if you have an old testament reference supporting this.

Never and impossible? Did they become super human and incapable if sinning? I know the Jews are God's chosen people. But, they've stopped the sacrifices. I see no direction from God to stop making sacrifices.

He would always be at THEIR side.

Makes me sad to think that God won't love me because of my race.

The new testament was crafted to steal the Old. Once the lie was swallowed the real persecution began of the Jews. A self fulfilling prophecy based on lies. It was the rejection by the Jews that the Christian Jews couldn't stand.

There is no way to substantiate these claims. But, if God never intended it to happen, then why would he let the Christians lie so effectively that it co-opted the Jews from performing their ritual sacrifices?

Rejection is at the heart of the Christian Faith, not love. The Christian churches action in history show that much to any casual observer.

I've been more than a casual observer all my life. I've seen some wicked abuses of power in the Church. That's one reason I don't go any more. And there have been many, many (most) times when I'v left a church service and wonder what was the point of THAT! But to say that at it's very core Christianity is rejection, I have to reject that idea. Ha! (I crack me up!)