Religion Has Done More Bad Than Good

[PadawanBater]

There should be more options. We aren't taking about a black and white issue. "Better off" meaning.......what? You don't really know that life would be better off without religion, because you've never experienced it. Almost everyone you meet has some sort of religious conviction, and tries to live by a higher standard. Even criminals live by a very defined set of rules within their own community.

I am thoroughly backed tonight. Good night, ya'all.

Good point, but just for the sake of the hypothetical...

Try to picture if the human species started off from the beginning, instead of creating a diety and a story behind it, say none of it never developed and instead all the religious wars that have been fought through history never happened. Take this same logic and apply it to the useful things religion has given us, inventions and such that came about because of religion, we wouldn't have any of that either in it's current form of existence.

There is a ton more involved in this scenario to think about that I didn't label because I don't have the time at the moment, but just start off with that.

Honestly, I'd think we'd be somewhere near Star Trek or Star Wars type technology right now if religion never entered into the picture..

 

[Mauihund]

That is probably one of the most cogent arguments in terms of actually measuring such a quantitative question I can remember hearing. And, I really appreciate the fact that you haven't quickly resorted to calling me a stupid poo poo head, yet. Cheers, mate!

Try to picture if the human species started off from the beginning, instead of creating a diety and a story behind it, say none of it never developed and instead all the religious wars that have been fought through history never happened.

The question is not framed to find the truth. "Has the Church done more bad than good? Well, let's see how much bad they've done. Oh, quite a bit of bad in God's name. The evidence stands that the Church has done more bad than good." I think to have a truly informed opinion on the question, you have to be able to list all the good religion has done, also.

Take this same logic and apply it to the useful things religion has given us, inventions and such that came about because of religion, we wouldn't have any of that either in it's current form of existence.

It sounds like you're saying that religion has been worthless over the entire history of humanity, producing nothing of value. Hmmmm? Micheal Angelo comes to mind. He had a few things to offer humanity, and the Catholic Church payed the bill. You can't make what Michael made without some inspiration.

Honestly, I'd think we'd be somewhere near Star Trek or Star Wars type technology right now if religion never entered into the picture..

Theres no way you can know that. Nobody has the slightest idea what a world without religion would be like. It is a reality that has been woven into the fabric of every society that has ever existed. Where is your example that life would be better without religion? Stare Trek? Star Wars? Dude! Their movies.

And, there's no way you can find out what this kind of religion-less world would be like, either. You can try to compare atheist communities to see if they are more civilized or human than their Christian, Buddhist, Muslim counterparts. But, I'm sure you still find greed, lusts, abuses and such.

 

[lou~dog]

Here's PROOF your religion's is wrong : )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqofVS_L4d8

you can find it on the CNN website too... cause its real

 

[Mauihund]

Here's PROOF your religion's is wrong : )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqofVS_L4d8

you can find it on the CNN website too... cause its real

I think that alien turned out to be a dog. : )

And, I don't care for religion. No attempt to prove anything here.

 

[PadawanBater]

That is probably one of the most cogent arguments in terms of actually measuring such a quantitative question I can remember hearing. And, I really appreciate the fact that you haven't quickly resorted to calling me a stupid poo poo head, yet. Cheers, mate!




The question is not framed to find the truth. "Has the Church done more bad than good? Well, let's see how much bad they've done. Oh, quite a bit of bad in God's name. The evidence stands that the Church has done more bad than good." I think to have a truly informed opinion on the question, you have to be able to list all the good religion has done, also.



It sounds like you're saying that religion has been worthless over the entire history of humanity, producing nothing of value. Hmmmm? Micheal Angelo comes to mind. He had a few things to offer humanity, and the Catholic Church payed the bill. You can't make what Michael made without some inspiration.




Theres no way you can know that. Nobody has the slightest idea what a world without religion would be like. It is a reality that has been woven into the fabric of every society that has ever existed. Where is your example that life would be better without religion? Stare Trek? Star Wars? Dude! Their movies.

And, there's no way you can find out what this kind of religion-less world would be like, either. You can try to compare atheist communities to see if they are more civilized or human than their Christian, Buddhist, Muslim counterparts. But, I'm sure you still find greed, lusts, abuses and such.

I agree, you can't measure the bad without looking at the good.

How do you suggest we do it? By human deaths? The countries that are highly religious in correlation with the civil rights, same thing with less religious nations like in Europe and the civil rights correlation? Should it be specified between each religion, which ones are more dangerous than the others? How would you like to do it?

Religion has not been worthless. It provides certain stable people with the feeling of enlightenment they need to get through life. Who am I to try to take that away from somebody? I would actually argue religion serves as a deterrant to a lot of people and is partly responsible for keeping society at large somewhat together. Though there are plenty of arguments even against that. If people were simply educated about things, taught how to learn correctly.. there would be no void to fill, there would be no emptiness or meaninglessness without God. These things would keep themselves together, so is that even a valid argument in support of the "good religion has done" to begin with?.. I guess in my hypothetical it is not.

We can't know for sure, but we can speculate. Star Trek and Star Wars, sure they're both movies.. but they both serve as perfect examples of a religionless society. I'm a HUGE fan of SW, and a recent fan of ST with the new one that just came out, so I know a bit about em. They didn't add religion into the movies for a reason. Think about it.

True, but we can compare the differences and find out which societies have more crime and such..

 

[Mauihund]

You sure do put a lot of faith in the vision of a better world that Star Wars offers. You might even say that the movies and books have become a sacred text. Personally, I don't believe it's possible for humanity to NOT put our faith in something. Anything that makes us feel caught up in a bigger story is a good definition of worship.

 

[PadawanBater]

You sure do put a lot of faith in the vision of a better world that Star Wars offers. You might even say that the movies and books have become a sacred text. Personally, I don't believe it's possible for humanity to NOT put our faith in something. Anything that makes us feel caught up in a bigger story is a good definition of worship.

I don't feel I ''worship'' anything..

 

[snail240]

The first "god" was a wooden club. And jesus was the guy that held it. Once the rest of the cave men figured out how to make a "god" we had our first war.

 

[Brazko]

Good point, but just for the sake of the hypothetical...

Try to picture if the human species started off from the beginning, instead of creating a diety and a story behind it, say none of it never developed and instead all the religious wars that have been fought through history never happened. Take this same logic and apply it to the useful things religion has given us, inventions and such that came about because of religion, we wouldn't have any of that either in it's current form of existence.

There is a ton more involved in this scenario to think about that I didn't label because I don't have the time at the moment, but just start off with that.

Honestly, I'd think we'd be somewhere near Star Trek or Star Wars type technology right now if religion never entered into the picture..

That is probably one of the most cogent arguments in terms of actually measuring such a quantitative question I can remember hearing. And, I really appreciate the fact that you haven't quickly resorted to calling me a stupid poo poo head, yet. Cheers, mate!




The question is not framed to find the truth. "Has the Church done more bad than good? Well, let's see how much bad they've done. Oh, quite a bit of bad in God's name. The evidence stands that the Church has done more bad than good." I think to have a truly informed opinion on the question, you have to be able to list all the good religion has done, also.



It sounds like you're saying that religion has been worthless over the entire history of humanity, producing nothing of value. Hmmmm? Micheal Angelo comes to mind. He had a few things to offer humanity, and the Catholic Church payed the bill. You can't make what Michael made without some inspiration.




Theres no way you can know that. Nobody has the slightest idea what a world without religion would be like. It is a reality that has been woven into the fabric of every society that has ever existed. Where is your example that life would be better without religion? Stare Trek? Star Wars? Dude! Their movies.

And, there's no way you can find out what this kind of religion-less world would be like, either. You can try to compare atheist communities to see if they are more civilized or human than their Christian, Buddhist, Muslim counterparts. But, I'm sure you still find greed, lusts, abuses and such.

Man, you guys just presented some well thoughtful arguements, I guess this is Why the wheel keeps Turning, ++rep

 

[Mauihund]

Man, you guys just presented some well thoughtful arguements, I guess this is Why the wheel keeps Turning, ++rep

Hey, thanks!

 

[smoker toker]

Ahhh i'm glad i'm baked.. and i'm also glad that we're a buch of stoners talking about this because if we weren't it'd become a heated discussion real quick =p... but we're all high so it dont matter woohoo!

Yeah I think that religion is the cause of a lot of problems in the world... Jeruisilum is STILL living proof of that... And the Holy Crusades, all in the name of "God", but that's bullshit because God gave people free fucking will to do what they want, and people just use religion and His name as an excuse. Religion is a giant hypocrosy in my opinion. Anyone ever seen the movie Dogma?... yeah... like that.. that's what I think

Smoker Toker

 

[CrackerJax]

Christians are just a big fat bunch of liars. Everything about their religion is either stolen or lies.

 

[snail240]

Christians are just a big fat bunch of liars. Everything about their religion is either stolen or lies.

Only one person lies more then christians and thats Obama. If god where real he would let me smoke my weed in blueberry vanilla pappers just more proof that god isnt the only fake one in this country.

 

[CrackerJax]

Oh I think Obama is truly a liar, but still amateurish compared to the church. He has the capability though to really harm us all, so at this juncture Obama is the top danger to the country, and other countries as well.

 

[Green Cross]

Only one person lies more then christians and thats Obama. If god where real he would let me smoke my weed in blueberry vanilla pappers just more proof that god isnt the only fake one in this country.

Back your foolish statement up hater. You made a declarative statement (look it up) about Christians being liars. It would be like saying Gay's lie, but that would never fly like your hate does.

Anyhow prove it.

 

[snail240]

Back your foolish statement up hater. You made a declarative statement (look it up) about Christians being liars. It would be like saying Gay's lie, but that would never fly like your hate does.

Anyhow prove it.

Prove im not lieing

And the circle continues. I shit on a grave last night and no bolt of lightning shung upon my mighty turd.

And gays do lie shits a fab agianst nature. Thats why they all have the same homo voice and act the same.

 

[CrackerJax]

Christians entire religion is a lie. Give back the old testament, it's not yours.

The new testament was a way to steal the old testament.

The Jews have never broken the covenant with G*D. G*D himself (by the writings of the Old Testament) said that was an impossibility. He would always be at THEIR side.
The new testament was crafted to steal the Old. Once the lie was swallowed the real persecution began of the Jews. A self fulfilling prophecy based on lies. It was the rejection by the Jews that the Christian Jews couldn't stand.

Rejection is at the heart of the Christian Faith, not love. The Christian churches action in history show that much to any casual observer.

 

[Mauihund]

Christians entire religion is a lie. Give back the old testament, it's not yours.

The new testament was a way to steal the old testament.

The Jews have never broken the covenant with G*D. G*D himself (by the writings of the Old Testament) said that was an impossibility. He would always be at THEIR side.
The new testament was crafted to steal the Old. Once the lie was swallowed the real persecution began of the Jews. A self fulfilling prophecy based on lies. It was the rejection by the Jews that the Christian Jews couldn't stand.

Rejection is at the heart of the Christian Faith, not love. The Christian churches action in history show that much to any casual observer.

Everyone who is a Christian is a liar. And, every homo is a pedophile. And, everyone who drinks wine is an alcoholic. Every man can't keep it in his pants. All women are whores. Children are just expensive. Did I leave anything out? All old people are a waist of time. There are some other stereotype I'm missing.

 

[snail240]

Everyone who is a Christian is a liar. And, every homo is a pedophile. And, everyone who drinks wine is an alcoholic. Every man can't keep it in his pants. All women are whores. Children are just expensive. Did I leave anything out? All old people are a waist of time. There are some other stereotype I'm missing.

Ill agree with all of the above. homos being pedophile though thats kinda steep. Ill just say they are liars like christians I put them on the same level sence they hate each other so much for the same things.

Christians like long haired dudes nailed to crosses. Homos like long haired dudes getting nailed.

 

[CrackerJax]

I didn't say christians as ppl... I said the religion.... and yes it's based on lies.

Mexicans can't drive. You left that one out.