Wtf!

[Keenly]

Its not about the flu, its about the control.

once the precedent is established that we as americans would not only let this shit happen


but BEG for it...


it will be a sad future for us all

 

[NoDrama]

Hopefully someone here can shed some light for me. If you get vaccinated, does that mean you cannot carry the virus? In other words does it make you immune from even passing it on to others? IE it can't pass from say your hand to another person.

If they can create a totally effective vaccine against a certain strain of Flu virus in 6 months, why can't they create a AIDS vaccine in 20 years? They are both viruses right?

 

[Keenly]

Hopefully someone here can shed some light for me. If you get vaccinated, does that mean you cannot carry the virus? In other words does it make you immune from even passing it on to others? IE it can't pass from say your hand to another person.

If they can create a totally effective vaccine against a certain strain of Flu virus in 6 months, why can't they create a AIDS vaccine in 20 years? They are both viruses right?

i think another very good question to anyone telling me i should get vaccinated is


if you have already had the shot, why do you care if i do or dont

 

[Dirty Harry]

Its not about the flu, its about the control.

Its about getting everyone to have a permanent RFID chip on their body. If it was not, then why not just show paperwork that one has gotten the shot?
Looks like I will get to decide when I will make my final stand. I have no problem dying to protect myself and my family from this experimental poison. I just hope "THEY" feel the same way of risking their lives trying to force me and my family.

The government has made billions telling us what we can and can not put into our bodies and punishing us for it...Now they want to tell us what we must put in our bodies, tag us with a RFID, and not listen to us?!?

Us Americans are stubborn folk. So stubborn we had a civil war against ourselves. We ain't afraid to do that again. Not to mention the retired combat vets among us who are very well trained by the same people who we will fight against.

I am retired, but my oath, "To protect and defend the Constitution of the Unites States of America against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC..."

Not a bad way to go out with that thought on ones last breath.

 

[doobnVA]

Hopefully someone here can shed some light for me. If you get vaccinated, does that mean you cannot carry the virus? In other words does it make you immune from even passing it on to others? IE it can't pass from say your hand to another person.

Yes, you can still transmit the virus to people who aren't vaccinated.

Your immune system in inside your body, so if you come in contact with the virus externally, your immune system can't fight it off.

You won't get sick (because you're immune) but the people you spread the virus to who aren't vaccinated CAN.

 

[NoDrama]

Yes, you can still transmit the virus to people who aren't vaccinated.

Your immune system in inside your body, so if you come in contact with the virus externally, your immune system can't fight it off.

You won't get sick (because you're immune) but the people you spread the virus to who aren't vaccinated CAN.

So how is making all the health workers get vaccinated going to help from spreading the disease to the patients?

 

[doobnVA]

So how is making all the health workers get vaccinated going to help from spreading the disease to the patients?

Because not all of the patients are vaccinated.

I think you misunderstood my post.

YES, you can carry the virus and spread it to others, even if you yourself are immune.

 

[hanimmal]

i think another very good question to anyone telling me i should get vaccinated is


if you have already had the shot, why do you care if i do or dont

Do you work in a hospital? If not, then nobody does.

 

[Keenly]

Yes, you can still transmit the virus to people who aren't vaccinated.

Your immune system in inside your body, so if you come in contact with the virus externally, your immune system can't fight it off.

You won't get sick (because you're immune) but the people you spread the virus to who aren't vaccinated CAN.

there is 0 proof that this shot will even help you to resist the "new strains" they claim will come back and kill people


doctors have already stated that if the virus does mutate, the vaccine will be useless anyway because it was based on a previous version of the virus

 

[Keenly]

Do you work in a hospital? If not, then nobody does.

they tried this shit already, and only 14% or so would take the "mandatory" shot


so, its going to happen again, the people that work in the hospital are going to say fuck that

at least i hope so becuase who knows whats next

the food industry?

 

[hanimmal]

lol but the people that work in the hospitals are not paranoid about this. They usually understand the benefits of things like flu shots. They are surrounded by sick people, and if they can get some immunity that helps them not spread illnesses and bring it home to their family, they are usually all for it.

Most people should just stay home drink plenty of fluids, and they will be fine.

 

[doobnVA]

there is 0 proof that this shot will even help you to resist the "new strains" they claim will come back and kill people


doctors have already stated that if the virus does mutate, the vaccine will be useless anyway because it was based on a previous version of the virus

"this shot"? What shot are you talking about? Influenza is constantly mutating, which is why they have to update the vaccines every year and immunize people every year (even people who had a flu shot LAST year).

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

 

[NoDrama]

Because not all of the patients are vaccinated.

I think you misunderstood my post.

YES, you can carry the virus and spread it to others, even if you yourself are immune.

Ok, good we have come this far. So basically the Government is requiring these people to get a shot, not because it will help anyone else, but because it will keep the doctors/nurses/health workers from getting sick? Right? Screw the patients no one cares if they get sick? Or will being admitted to a health care facility also require a vaccine shot?

If they can do this, then they can require us all to eat soy beans and just say its good for us and thats enough? Bullshit!

I wonder how many health workers are going to refuse the shot?

According to Hanimmal, no healthworker would refuse it , they are begging for it? If the virus is so bad, how come people can contract it and NOT DIE? Wouldn't it make more sense to just vaccinate the old and frail people who might die from contraction? I mean we have all seen the news reports of thousands of people who got the H1N1 flu and lived through it, therefore conveying immunity to themselves with no Gubbermint help at all, just the way nature intended. Why is this SOOOOO important that they are requiring every person to get one? If the regular flu kills more people every year than H1N1 why don't they make the regular flu shot mandatory also?

I am not afraid of H1N1 at all, i got the swine flu back in the 70's so therefore I should have somewhat natural immunity anyway. I don't need the shot and they are going to have a fight on their hands if they try to stick me. If a year later I see 90% of everyone who didn't get the shot falling over dead in the streets I might reconsider, but I doubt that will happen.

 

[NoDrama]

lol but the people that work in the hospitals are not paranoid about this. They usually understand the benefits of things like flu shots. They are surrounded by sick people, and if they can get some immunity that helps them not spread illnesses and bring it home to their family, they are usually all for it.

Most people should just stay home drink plenty of fluids, and they will be fine.

Doobs post directly contradicts yours. Even if you get the shot, you can still carry the virus and get other people sick. So who is right? Does Han know something about H1N1 the rest of us don't?

 

[Dirty Harry]

I am a very active and regular free blood donor. My local blood bank (USA) said the are treating the vaccine as experimental as it was not fully licensed. They stated a 1 year restriction on donating unless it gets licensed before the shot to year wait is over.

I asked what that would do to the donor pool if most of them get the shot. She said they are hoping it gets a license ASAP. I just saw a few days ago it has been licensed in the USA now.

It makes me wonder if it was forced to be licensed. The blood bank didn't want blood from those who got the H1N1 shot with out it being licensed.

That fact itself would devastate the blood donor pool, but now they can accept the donors? And she even said they didn't want the shots and the blood bank did not trust it.

 

[doobnVA]

Doobs post directly contradicts yours. Even if you get the shot, you can still carry the virus and get other people sick. So who is right? Does Han know something about H1N1 the rest of us don't?

Listen, just because an immunized person can spread the virus doesn't make it useless to immunize health care workers.

Health care workers are held to certain standards of cleanliness and sanitation, are they not? They wear gloves (which are changed frequently) and wash their hands religiously - because that helps prevent the spread of disease. Hospital equipment and areas of potential contamination are cleaned and sanitized regularly, as well.

I'm not saying they are completely sanitary institutions, but they are much cleaner than say...Wal Mart, for instance, and the employees actually follow the hand washing/sanitation guidelines as opposed to your typical fry cook from McDonalds.

This means that health care workers in a hospital setting are less likely to be the causative factor in the transmission of an infectious disease. Immunizing them also decreases the likelihood of hospital staff themselves becoming infected. Viruses are spread primarily through person-to-person contact and are often contagious before they are symptomatic.

Influenza comes in many shapes and sizes, and all of them can be deadly.

There's a reason immunization is considered a preventative measure.

 

[NoDrama]

Listen, just because an immunized person can spread the virus doesn't make it useless to immunize health care workers.

Health care workers are held to certain standards of cleanliness and sanitation, are they not? They wear gloves (which are changed frequently) and wash their hands religiously - because that helps prevent the spread of disease. Hospital equipment and areas of potential contamination are cleaned and sanitized regularly, as well.

I'm not saying they are completely sanitary institutions, but they are much cleaner than say...Wal Mart, for instance, and the employees actually follow the hand washing/sanitation guidelines as opposed to your typical fry cook from McDonalds.

This means that health care workers in a hospital setting are less likely to be the causative factor in the transmission of an infectious disease. Immunizing them also decreases the likelihood of hospital staff themselves becoming infected. Viruses are spread primarily through person-to-person contact and are often contagious before they are symptomatic.

Influenza comes in many shapes and sizes, and all of them can be deadly.

There's a reason immunization is considered a preventative measure.

hanimmal says once you get the shot you cannot pass the virus on, you say you still can. Whos right? Thats the question being asked here, not whether doctors will wear gloves and wash their hands, try to stay on topic here plz.

 

[doobnVA]

hanimmal says once you get the shot you cannot pass the virus on, you say you still can. Whos right? Thats the question being asked here, not whether doctors will wear gloves and wash their hands, try to stay on topic here plz.

Please show me the post where he says that... because I don't see it.

Wearing gloves and washing your hands are equally as important in preventing the spread of disease, how is that off topic?

Immunization + hygiene + sanitation procedures = PREVENTION.

None are as effective on their own as they are together.

If a HCW is exposed to a potentially deadly virus while at work, do you think they are going to disregard KNOWN preventative measures that would ASSIST in safeguarding their own families against infection? (not wearing gloves, not washing their hands or changing their clothes before leaving the hospital, NOT being immunized?)

Nothing is 100% effective in stopping the spread of a virus (short of immunizing EVERYONE), but it's better to be as cautious as possible than to disregard immunization based on the fact that a virus can live outside the body.

 

[ViRedd]

History repeating itself ... http://www.salon.com/env/feature/2009/04/28/1976_swine_flu/

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

they tried this shit already, and only 14% or so would take the "mandatory" shot


so, its going to happen again, the people that work in the hospital are going to say fuck that

at least i hope so becuase who knows whats next

the food industry?

14% in the south, near 50% in the North East,,,I'm going to get the flu shot,,It saved my ass ever since I moved down here,,for 3 years I was sick as shit till i got it,,look what can grow