lights that are cooled?? HOW.........

[uptosumpn]

Here is my set-up/equiptment I will be using....(rough draft) tell me what you guys think, effiecncy wise....A Homebox XL tent, (56"x56"x78.75) 2 radiant 6 reflectors, (1 in front of tent, 1 in the back of tent not daisy chained) 2 hortilux 1000hps, 2 lumintek 1000 ballast, (mounted on 2x4 above & behind tent on interior wall) 2 radiant barrier heat shields for reflectors by hydro innovations, 2 TD-150 S&P inline fans for reflectors, (293CFM ea) or can 1 fan with a y connector be used to cool both reflectors?? 3 Ice boxes,(6")[1 for each exiting side of reflector & the other one mounted outside the exiting side of the tent via dual sided flange to act as an A/C for surrounding room all with Icebox thermostat connected] The 2 Iceboxes that will be attaced to the 2 reflectors will be ducted via insulated ducting and a y connector to the exiting side of tent via a dual sided flange, a 440CFM windtunnel 6 exhaust fan, (with a thermostat & timer connected for temp regulation & co2 injection period) can66 filter, backdraft damper, (no escaping air during fan off) a co2 boost bucket, a 160cfm 4" in line fan for active air intake on bottom of tent, (dont wanna go passive intake because of light leaks) 2 oscallating fans, (for air circulation) a dehumidifier, and some damp-rid's, (we want no moisture during flowering, right?!).....I know, I know, your gonna tell me it's too much light for that size tent....but here is the thing, if I'm gonna be using these 3 Iceboxes the way I plan on setting it up with a 1/2hp water chiller, 25gal res and a 1/6hp flotec pump, with some thermal shield for the walls of the room & tent.....I might as well go hard!!! But Smart to get that MAXIMUM YEILD of 20-30 autos @ 2oz dry a plant or 16-20 reg strains @ 2oz-4oz a plant dry!!.....Oh, should I go ebb & flow or soil, (foxfarm oceans forest) in 3 gal bags...OH, I ALMOST FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING...MY CIRCUIT FOR THAT ROOM....ISNT IT A GOOD RULE OF THUMB TO GO NO HIGHER THAN 12AMPS PER CIRCUIT?? WHAT DO YALL THINK ALL OF THIS WILL TOTAL OUT TOO??? DAMM I FORGOT ABOUT THAT SHIT!!

 

[AquafinaOrbit]

I personally don't think an AC could chill a light better, but I also think the chiller units are a waist of money. Also, why does it matter what the exhaust temperature is? What matters is how hot your light is getting because the colder it is the closer it can be placed your plants. The exhaust air with a proper fan/ducting should be meaningless to a grow room unless your recycling it.

 

[That 5hit]

these guys that use the chiller system have copper coiles that produce water droplet and the water droplet can fuck up the light so that why the cool the exhuasted air and not the intake air and the exhausted air is then recirclated around the room i think in time people we see that this system is no diff. then just useing an ac as i discribed earlyer
.people get caught up in the hype of a new toy and everybody jump on the band wagen
cooled air is cool air an ac works on the same idea and a chiller system is just a disseted ac that uses water . an a/c has freon cooling the coils and air passing over the coil to exhaust cool air

 

[jberry]

you dont think a A/C could chill a light better AND you think the method that does work better (chiller/icebox) is a waste of money?? If it works better how could it be a waste? I dont get it?

and yes, the system is designed for the exhaust to release into the room...that is the whole point.

you can use it in a sealed co2 enriched room (recycling it), or you can draw fresh air into your room, and threw your light reflectors/ice boxes and out into your room...
(this way you only need one fan to cool your lights AND your room at the same time!)...
To answer your question, that is why it matters that the air leaving the exhaust is 58 degrees, (because it is entering into your room and acting as your a/c as shown in the video)

so IT ELIMINATES ONE FAN AND YOUR A/C UNIT and provides more cooling in a more efficient way.

all anyone has to do is watch the youtube video that is posted all over this thread... anyone who watches that and still doesnt get it, is never going to get.

not everyone needs this type of system, it is for people with heat issues,it is not so you can get your lights a few inches closer, BUT as a bonus, i bet the chiller /icebox method would allow you to keep your lights closer to the canopy that any other method would (as long as you had more than one light and/or more than one ice box).

and yes they cost more but they work better. stuff that works better usually costs more.

u can also chill your nutrient tank, your hot exhaust leaving your co2 burner, and your hot exhaust leaving your dehumidifier, and all of your lightbulbs and reflectors, and have as many A/C vents as you want blowing in any areas you want, and you can do all of that off of one chiller and one pump!!!! Try doing any of that with a A/C.

i dont know why people are having such a hard time with this?

 

[That 5hit]

that video is one sided info just like the people on this site trying to sell there LEDs setups
but i do beleave that it works, but what im saying is it works no better then an ac that is all that guy on the video is trying to sell this setup and yes it work and yes it works good but for the price tag NO! water by my lights NO! the price of maintaining a chiller, the pumps, the blower, the no flow valve, the air presure release, the emergency water release, the radeaters, etc, it bad enough that i worryabout my hydro setup all of this to simulate a/c NO!

this will work

 

[uptosumpn]

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SO TRUE! I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DONT GeT IT!!!! """YOUR FAN, BOYS AND GIRLS, DRAW-IN THE FRESH AIR TO YOUR REFLECTOR, THAT WARMING TO HOT AIR PASSES THROUGH THE REFLECTOR AND OVER/AROUND THE BULB, THAT HOTT ASS AIR IS THEN PASSED THROUGH THE ICEBOX, WHICH WILL AUTOMATICALLY "COOL, CHILL, BRING DOWN THE HEAT SIG, REMOVE HOT AIR FROM THE "EXITING" AIR FROM YOUR REFLECTOR/ROOM", THUS MAKING YOUR ROOM, TENT AND PLANTS COOLER...IF YOU ADD ANOTHER ICEBOX VIA INSULATED DUCTING ON THE END OF YOU DUCT RUN FROM YOUR LIGHT, YOU WILL THEN FURTHER COOL, CHILL, BRING DOWN THE HEAT SIG OF THE SURROUNDING ROOM, < WHICH IN TURN THAT SAME "COOL AIR" IS RETURNED TO YOUR FAN'S INTAKE SIDE TO START THE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN, WHICH IN TURN KEEPS THE FAN RUNNING "COOL"...{THIS BY THE WAY IS FOR A TENT SET UP WITHIN A ROOM}, BUT YOU SHOULD GET THE POINT..IT CAN BE DONE MAY DIFF WAYS AND THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF THE ICEBOXES....SORRY MY DUDES WHO DONT GET IT, BUT CENTRAL A/C, PORTABLE A/C OR EVEN WINDOW A/C "CANNOT DO THAT"!! EVEN IF YOU DUCT YOU A/C STRAIGHT TO YOUR FAN/REFLECTOR OR ROOM...IT JUST THAT 1 AREA BEING COOLED....EVEN WITH 3, 4 FANS, IT STILL WONT WORK..WHY? BECAUSE 1 FANS GIVE OFF HEAT TOO AND NOW YOU ARE USING WAY TO MUCH ELECTRICITY AND YOU NO LONGER ARE EFFICENTLY COOLING YOUR GROW SPACE!! PLEASE WATCH THE YOUTUBE VIDEO AGAIN AND AGAIN....PEACE AND GROW COOL"""""".....

you dont think a A/C could chill a light better AND you think the method that does work better (chiller/icebox) is a waste of money?? If it works better how could it be a waste? I dont get it?

and yes, the system is designed for the exhaust to release into the room...that is the whole point.

you can use it in a sealed co2 enriched room (recycling it), or you can draw fresh air into your room, and threw your light reflectors/ice boxes and out into your room...
(this way you only need one fan to cool your lights AND your room at the same time!)...
To answer your question, that is why it matters that the air leaving the exhaust is 58 degrees, (because it is entering into your room and acting as your a/c as shown in the video)

so IT ELIMINATES ONE FAN AND YOUR A/C UNIT and provides more cooling in a more efficient way.

all anyone has to do is watch the youtube video that is posted all over this thread... anyone who watches that and still doesnt get it, is never going to get.

not everyone needs this type of system, it is for people with heat issues,it is not so you can get your lights a few inches closer, BUT as a bonus, i bet the chiller /icebox method would allow you to keep your lights closer to the canopy that any other method would (as long as you had more than one light and/or more than one ice box).

and yes they cost more but they work better. stuff that works better usually costs more.

u can also chill your nutrient tank, your hot exhaust leaving your co2 burner, and your hot exhaust leaving your dehumidifier, and all of your lightbulbs and reflectors, and have as many A/C vents as you want blowing in any areas you want, and you can do all of that off of one chiller and one pump!!!! Try doing any of that with a A/C.

i dont know why people are having such a hard time with this?

 

[That 5hit]

its the same thing one just cost 2 grand and the other cost 2 hundrend
im done

unsub.

 

[jberry]

and my only point is that a A/C simple cannot offer what the water cooled systems can when it comes to cooling the heat right at the source on every light and IT COOLS MORE SHIT THAN A A/C CAN, AND CAN COOL THE EXHAUST OF CO2 BURNERS AND DEHUMIDIFIERS, EVEN YOUR NUTES.

I was at that expo, i saw that room and set up and it was awesome and made me droowl.

answer me this: if they gave YOU the system that was in that video FOR FREE, wouldnt you think you had the most bad ass system availible??
...or would you be thinking: "damn, i wish i had my stationary window rattling a/c unit instead" ?

 

[uptosumpn]

Shit i was taught if your gonna do something do it right the first time....hell call me a perfectionist or whatever...i have been doing research for about a 6 mo. On how to affectivly set-up and keep my tent/room cool..and this by far is the best thing i have come across for my money...trust me, of course it's not for everybody, and not everybody cant afford all the equiptment needed..,(but for a med to large sized tent your not gonna need all that equiptment he has in that video) but just because you dont think it will work or cost to much, doesnt mean it wont work for others.....my climate is in hott/humid ass s. Fla..so i need this shit! Peace

 

[That 5hit]

and my only point is that a A/C simple cannot offer what the water cooled systems can when it comes to cooling the heat right at the source on every light and IT COOLS MORE SHIT THAN A A/C CAN, AND CAN COOL THE EXHAUST OF CO2 BURNERS AND DEHUMIDIFIERS, EVEN YOUR NUTES.

I was at that expo, i saw that room and set up and it was awesome and made me droowl.

answer me this: if they gave YOU the system that was in that video FOR FREE, wouldnt you think you had the most bad ass system availible??
...or would you be thinking: "damn, i wish i had my stationary window rattling a/c unit instead" ?

hell yeah thats shit is what i dream of getting if i hit the mega millions
but ima poor bastard
i would also fly to the seedbanks and pick and mix my own

 

[fatfarmer34]

If I hit the Mega Millions I wouldn't be buying seeds when I went to Amsterdam. I am paying under $500 for two iceboxes a chiller and a pump to recirculate plus reservoir that's not a big enough price difference for me to use a crappy window unit and any other type of AC would cost same or more.

 

[That 5hit]

your right about that second part,
but explain why you wont be biying seeds, do you plan on not growing if you hit the big money (12 millions is where our big lottory start at -|http://www.megamillions.com/|- thats like 6 million cash after bullshit is taken out)
Shit, im always going to grow my own, i dont care how rich i am, its like a true hobby for me. i injoy growing
im in indoor person and growing suits those needs, buying drugs on the street is how a lot of people blow through money but sence my drug of choice if ezly home grown then i save - i will always grow the better the money, the better my grow room setup

 

[fatfarmer34]

6 million and buying drugs on the street is not an issue, if that needs further explanation seek it elsewhere.

 

[That 5hit]

ill always grow. (peroid)

 

[mihjaro]

What are people's thoughts on using the IceBox as supplemental cooling with an air cooled system. Where the ventilation path looked like this:

Outside Air Intake > Light w/ Heat Shield > Fan > Outside Exhaust coupled with Fan > IceBox running in the room.

In this case it seems that much of the heat of the fan is being removed and the IceBox would be used as A/C to negate the leftover heat generated by the light and not evacuated by the air cooled light path.

 

[That 5hit]

What are people's thoughts on using the IceBox as supplemental cooling with an air cooled system. Where the ventilation path looked like this:

Outside Air Intake > Light w/ Heat Shield > Fan > Outside Exhaust coupled with Fan > IceBox running in the room.

In this case it seems that much of the heat of the fan is being removed and the IceBox would be used as A/C to negate the leftover heat generated by the light and not evacuated by the air cooled light path.

also it looks like you are bringing in fresh air
thats a plus,, i think

 

[stumps]

I use a 400w diy cool tube went from mid 80's to mid 70's but the light runs 4-6" off the plant/s without the tube it was 14-18" off the plant.


If you go with a cooltube your money ahead to buy one. The diy was a pain to find stuff that fit.

 

[jberry]

mihjaro, i'm lost...i dont understand.

 

[jberry]

stumps, i heard the cool tubes were really really bad when it comes to reflecting lumens... (even when u get the wing because those suck too)

but you have one, so what do you think?

 

[That 5hit]

now thats DIY