MY 90watt led ufo tri ban

irishboy

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Yep, the plant is getting light from two different 126W, for a total of 252W. That doesn't all make it to the bud, but nearly all of it makes it to the plant (and a bit past it). 5 minutes before the picture was taken, I hung up a 5th 126W for her on the other end of the system. She is using Humboldt Nutrients Master A & B, as well as Ginormous and CalMag. They aren't having any pH issues that I'm aware of.

As far as a good CO2 setup, you can get a controller for $300 - $350, a valve for $100 - $150, and a tank for about $125 - $150. Max price of about $650 for a decent setup ;)
ive always wanted to try the humboldt nute line. your the one using AN nutes right?

ebay is probley the best place to get the co2 tanks? when the time comes ill hit you up on exactly what i need for the co2 setup. thanks!
 

LEDGirl

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ive always wanted to try the humboldt nute line. your the one using AN nutes right?

ebay is probley the best place to get the co2 tanks? when the time comes ill hit you up on exactly what i need for the co2 setup. thanks!
Sounds good, I should be able to help you find a good deal on it. I would buy the tank on eBay ;) Find the cheapest one with shipping, as the place you bring it to is going to swap it for one of the tanks they have.

I'm running Humboldt A & B, and Advanced Big Bud. I used to run Iguana Juice, and I'm leaning towards getting more of it soon, as I run out of the Humboldt. I've also used Connoisseur, but didn't notice any increase in yield. The Humboldt does a good job, and is definitely the best low-cost nutrient I've ever used, but I feel I had better results using the Iguana. $100 difference for a product, isn't saying much when you're talking about growing 2-3 cycles of ganja.
 

irishboy

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Sounds good, I should be able to help you find a good deal on it. I would buy the tank on eBay ;) Find the cheapest one with shipping, as the place you bring it to is going to swap it for one of the tanks they have.

I'm running Humboldt A & B, and Advanced Big Bud. I used to run Iguana Juice, and I'm leaning towards getting more of it soon, as I run out of the Humboldt. I've also used Connoisseur, but didn't notice any increase in yield. The Humboldt does a good job, and is definitely the best low-cost nutrient I've ever used, but I feel I had better results using the Iguana. $100 difference for a product, isn't saying much when you're talking about growing 2-3 cycles of ganja.

i love this video on you tube. it test out some differnt nutes to AN. they also use the nutes i am using right now supernatural brand nutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvq1RZkzw6Y
 

project fuoro

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here i fell bad so heres some more pics for me being late on them.. enjoy
All it takes for me....I am freakin sold!!!! I may not be the best in the world, but thats better than I have done with the 400....simply because of heat issues!

Sweeeeeet!

Much Love Irish! Can't wait for the comparison grows!

Hey what size area are you in with those ladies? I think your one, is doing rock on, even compared to hydro's 4 or 5!!!

Looking great!

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I will figure out this whole +rep thing... cuz
+rep to you!
 

irishboy

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You should do a single picture with an object next to one of your buds for reference, like a pill bottle, dollar bill, cell phone, whatever... it will help people see the actual size of the buds. Kinda like how my avatar picture is, with a 5-week bloom plant.


here are those ph bottle pics you wanted to see ledgirl. from my 3 weeks of 180w ufo use.
more them half of this grow was a 90w tri-ban, and these last three weeks i have only used a jumbo 180w ufo. no co2, soil grow. i also have been having 95-100F* their whole life.

not too bad to compared to ur 504w from only using 180w for 3 weeks.

i used a 90w tri-ban from prosource from start to 5weeks of flowering, then i switch to the new 180w 5-ban for three weeks and took out the 90w tri-ban. total watts used now= 180w of led
 

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LEDGirl

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For comparison: this plant has light available to it from 2, 126W units, however the bud only has a single unit directly above it. As the units have a narrow footprint, these are the only lights the entire plant receives power from. The room was at 700ppm CO2, and she grows aero. The plant is at 5 weeks into bloom, so still 3 weeks younger than the plants Irish is showing. This is only 1 of about 10 buds on this one plant, that are this size. Once finished, the buds should be 2-3x larger.
 

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irishboy

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For comparison: this plant has light available to it from 2, 126W units, however the bud only has a single unit directly above it. As the units have a narrow footprint, these are the only lights the entire plant receives power from. The room was at 700ppm CO2, and she grows aero. The plant is at 5 weeks into bloom, so still 3 weeks younger than the plants Irish is showing. This is only 1 of about 10 buds on this one plant, that are this size. Once finished, the buds should be 2-3x larger.
i dont want to strat a war but i just dont think its fair to compaire my 180w grow in a 3x3 area. to ur friends (4) 126w led grow in a 2' x 4' tray for a total of 504w of leds. with co2 and areo ponics and u said u just added more leds to her grow. also u said ur self that co2 adds 30% more yeild that uve seen from not using it.. are grow area isnt much diffents acutaly its about the same size? plus i was using 90w ufo tri-ban from start to 5-weeks into flowering. then i switched to a 180w ufo and took out my 90w

i am just keeping it real. but ill find out for my self when i do this test.
 

irishboy

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i use a 3x3 area, and ill prove to u that hydro yeild better by ur pm u sent me when i asked.
the thing that gets me is saying that dirt dosent make a differnce when compaired with areo, when u sent me a PM the other day saying diff.

Hydro-Grow-LED said:
I've seen hydro systems run side by side by side by side before (drip, nft, dwc, aero), and they're usually ranked in about that order, in terms of how fast/large they grew the plants during the same amount of time. Aero is the best form of hydro as far as production/growth rate is concerned. Aero can yield higher than dirt, as long as you supply it with right amounts of the same complex nutrients that dirt itself gives. What I mean by this, is that if you have a dirt plant and an aero plant, side-by-side, and you run only base nutrients (bloom/grow), the plant in dirt will likely have a better yield, as dirt contains humic acid, fulvic acid, and many other natural ingredients to help plants grow. With the aero system, all you had was water and base nutes. If you now add those complex nutes into your reservoir, and give your plants what they'd be getting in dirt (of course with a non-chunky forumla), you'll grow plants that give more yield, faster.
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also you know co2 make a big diff on bud size and you cant even compaire her temps to mine because when using co2 you what higher temps
 

irishboy

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i am doing a 3x3 are with one 180w so i am only doing 20 watts per sqft in my area. and ur friend in doing close to 70 watts per sqft. in a area of 2x4 with 4. 126w leds light for a total or 504W of led total. so their isnt realy even fair to compair. and i am also being nice and not counting the first 5 weeks of flowering when i was only using 90w of led in a 3x3 area.
 

LEDGirl

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I didn't say hydro systems yield more than dirt, I said that they can, so long as the plants are supplied with the same amount of complex-nutrients that they would normally be receiving in soil. I've already stated the nutes she's running: Humboldt Master A & B, Ginormous, and CalMag. This is pretty basic. Master A & B are base bloom nutrients, Ginormous is a flower booster (like Advanced Big Bud), and we all know what CalMag is. She's not running humic or fulvic acid. She's not running any microbial or fungal products... She's not running any molasses or sweetener either... The point I'm making, is that if you're using base nutes in quality dirt, vs her hydro setup, it should be a pretty damn even comparison. The only main difference, is the grower.

And the 700ppm CO2 thing is not a whole lot. Sure it's double the atmospheric level, but weed can use up to 1500ppm... If you want the most from CO2, you run it at 1500, not 700. So if CO2 is supposed to make 30% difference on your yield (who knows if it actually does), then we can say her plants would have a 10-15% advantage at 700ppm, vs your house plants at 400ppm. Another thing you're forgetting Irish, is that temperature affects the metabolic rate of a plant. The higher the temp, (up until a certain point of course), the faster the growth. So realistically, if your plants aren't stressing in 95-100 degree DAILY temps because they now have LED, then they should be growing at a faster rate than plants grown in an 85 degree environment. I've had plenty of HID rooms at the 95 degree level (and sometimes over), when my CO2 had run out or I forgot to replace the tank, and my plants have always been just fine. The only times I ever had a problem were when the sprinklers would clog at the same time, or I forgot to top off the reservoir. Either that, or if the room ran at 100+ for more than 12 hours (one time it stayed over 110), I'd have problems.

Anyhow, 3' x 3' is about the same area as the 2, 126W lights above the system. Even though our systems are 2' x 4', the plants grow to a space of 3' x 5'. 2 lights cover 1 half of the tray, 2 lights over the other. So the 2, 126W occupy about 3' x 3' with their coverage area, meaning 28W per foot. As far as the extra light, 1 more was added in recently over a plant on the other end of the system from this plant. Light doesn't shoot out in all directions with these lights though, so there isn't a ton of overlap from one light to the next, meaning one half of the plant gets light from 1 unit, the other half gets light from another. Regardless, you'll see what I'm talking about soon enough when you do the comparison grow. And no harm done brotha lol. This is an energetic debate, and nothing for me to get upset over ;)
 

irishboy

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I didn't say hydro systems yield more than dirt, I said that they can, so long as the plants are supplied with the same amount of complex-nutrients that they would normally be receiving in soil. I've already stated the nutes she's running: Humboldt Master A & B, Ginormous, and CalMag. This is pretty basic. Master A & B are base bloom nutrients, Ginormous is a flower booster (like Advanced Big Bud), and we all know what CalMag is. She's not running humic or fulvic acid. She's not running any microbial or fungal products... She's not running any molasses or sweetener either... The point I'm making, is that if you're using base nutes in quality dirt, vs her hydro setup, it should be a pretty damn even comparison. The only main difference, is the grower.

And the 700ppm CO2 thing is not a whole lot. Sure it's double the atmospheric level, but weed can use up to 1500ppm... If you want the most from CO2, you run it at 1500, not 700. So if CO2 is supposed to make 30% difference on your yield (who knows if it actually does), then we can say her plants would have a 10-15% advantage at 700ppm, vs your house plants at 400ppm. Another thing you're forgetting Irish, is that temperature affects the metabolic rate of a plant. The higher the temp, (up until a certain point of course), the faster the growth. So realistically, if your plants aren't stressing in 95-100 degree DAILY temps because they now have LED, then they should be growing at a faster rate than plants grown in an 85 degree environment. I've had plenty of HID rooms at the 95 degree level (and sometimes over), when my CO2 had run out or I forgot to replace the tank, and my plants have always been just fine. The only times I ever had a problem were when the sprinklers would clog at the same time, or I forgot to top off the reservoir. Either that, or if the room ran at 100+ for more than 12 hours (one time it stayed over 110), I'd have problems.

Anyhow, 3' x 3' is about the same area as the 2, 126W lights above the system. Even though our systems are 2' x 4', the plants grow to a space of 3' x 5'. 2 lights cover 1 half of the tray, 2 lights over the other. So the 2, 126W occupy about 3' x 3' with their coverage area, meaning 28W per foot. As far as the extra light, 1 more was added in recently over a plant on the other end of the system from this plant. Light doesn't shoot out in all directions with these lights though, so there isn't a ton of overlap from one light to the next, meaning one half of the plant gets light from 1 unit, the other half gets light from another. Regardless, you'll see what I'm talking about soon enough when you do the comparison grow. And no harm done brotha lol. This is an energetic debate, and nothing for me to get upset over ;)

i am doing a 3x3 are with one 180w so i am only doing 20 watts per sqft in my area. and ur friend in doing close to 70 watts per sqft. in a area of 2x4 with 4. 126w leds light for a total or 504W of led total. so their isnt realy even fair to compair. and i am also being nice and not counting the first 5 weeks of flowering when i was only using 90w of led in a 3x3 area

my point is she is running alot more watts per sqft then me. and you said ur lights can do a 2x6 area at 12" so ur light should be doing more then 1 plant. and if the temp makes my plants grow faster then shit i should just fire up the heater and make my plants platst off. comon heat gives you fluffy runny buds. and hurts ur yeild you know that.
i dont want to fight with you about this but u putting pics up to compaitre to my grow is total bs and u know it. every fourm i am on ur posting ur pics and knocking my grow, when no matter what u cant compaire it to mine. ur friends is runing 70 watts per sqft and i am running 20 watts per sqft. and like i said that not counting the first 5 weeks of flowering with the 90w tri-ban.
i think its some total BS. to say i have 4 126w leds light in a 2x4 area and say will only this plant is using this amount of light. u even said befor the more light in the total grow space the better the light power on the plants.

like i said i dont mean any harm by saying these things, but i see it being BS compairing ur friends grow to mine. i cant wait to do the test and see for my self and i would own u a big sorry. but all i can say is what is see threw these pics. shit my buds are the same size as that PH bottle. but i dont even care about that shit. all i care about is total weight on a scale?

like we said ill find out for sure myself when i do the test. but u know me i am a stright up dude and call it like i see it.
 

project fuoro

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i am doing a 3x3 are with one 180w so i am only doing 20 watts per sqft in my area. and ur friend in doing close to 70 watts per sqft. in a area of 2x4 with 4. 126w leds light for a total or 504W of led total. so their isnt realy even fair to compair. and i am also being nice and not counting the first 5 weeks of flowering when i was only using 90w of led in a 3x3 area.

I think you are ahead of the game Irish...There can be no comparison between your grow pictures and the pictures of that other led grow. Its like saying I have my light under the sun, but its only getting the light from right above it, not any sunlight. Oh but sunlight is probably in a wider band....hum...:roll:

I think your kickin arse and should keep on kickin arse!

-pf-
 

irishboy

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I think you are ahead of the game Irish...There can be no comparison between your grow pictures and the pictures of that other led grow. Its like saying I have my light under the sun, but its only getting the light from right above it, not any sunlight. Oh but sunlight is probably in a wider band....hum...:roll:

I think your kickin arse and should keep on kickin arse!

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lol. man thats a funny one! thanks bro
 

Cali chronic

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well I ran across this thread a few days ago joined today and am trying to figure on lighting too> I want to clone her even though she is in flowering or pre-flowering stage. First plant but thought to clone her and put some lights on her for the winter. I went to the mart to get pete pellets (no luck) so i looked at their lights--- I saw a 4 ft aquarium/plant light with about 1100 lums I also was thinking if I use a 4ft flourescent ballast and put one of the aquarium/plant light and use a black light on the other side (dual fixture standard 48") would that get me there so I can pay cash at the store instead of using Crdt crd on the net? Cost about 35 bucks for one ge aquairum f40 ecolux and a blacklight same manufacturer and the ballast. OH WHERE is the start a new thread button...............?
 

irishboy

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If we can't laugh....what can we do? Isn't that our whole soul search behind what we do? ;-)

I am tuned in!



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its all good, i just seen it BS when compairing my grow with that other grow. i just wanted to state the facts why i diiagree with her.
but its going to go know where typing shit out all day, ill just find out for fmyself with my own eyes.
 

project fuoro

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its all good, i just seen it BS when compairing my grow with that other grow. i just wanted to state the facts why i diiagree with her.
but its going to go know where typing shit out all day, ill just find out for fmyself with my own eyes.
Thats just it. I agree. I think thats the only way to find out. The grow does state it's your grow thread, and we should all be privileged to post on it. It is about watching and learning. Not watching and selling. I am kickin up my feet.

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Hows the dog?
 

irishboy

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Thats just it. I agree. I think thats the only way to find out. The grow does state it's your grow thread, and we should all be privileged to post on it. It is about watching and learning. Not watching and selling. I am kickin up my feet.

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Hows the dog?
the dog is staying the night at the vets, he is getting stiches night now. he got cought on somthing and chewed off his lip. and cut the shit out of his mouth, his lip was just hanging off of his mouth
 

project fuoro

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the dog is staying the night at the vets, he is getting stiches night now. he got cought on somthing and chewed off his lip. and cut the shit out of his mouth, his lip was just hanging off of his mouth
Ah man! Best wishes to the puppy dog.... :wall:


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Oh hey...nice pics... hehe
 
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