Perlite...using Styrofoam Packing Material

BIGMIKE13

Well-Known Member
today i needed to get more perlite...2 weeks they have been out ???????? (WM)

so when at a friends house we were talking about it and his wife says i have a lot of packing material. so we tried crumbling the foam with our hands and was not working to good. i then ask if she had a food processor...let me tell you it works..:mrgreen:

using the grater and chopping blade at the same time. i now have bags of perlite...lol

what do you guys think......:joint: :peace:
 

GoodFriend

Lumberjack
were their anyh exra biding chemicals in there that might harm the plant?

besdies that... it seems like a neat trick..
 

mogie

Well-Known Member
I wonder like lumberjack does if there were any chemicals in that.

But cool if it works the ultimate in recycling. Any experts out there that know??????
 

BIGMIKE13

Well-Known Member
were their anyh exra biding chemicals in there that might harm the plant?

besdies that... it seems like a neat trick..
good question.....the foam was the stiff (s) shaped material, no coating

maybe some one can help us there...:-?

i have not used any yet :confused:
 

GoodFriend

Lumberjack
... haven't found anything about chemicals, but on some other site..
Re: Packing Peanuts
Sunday, February 25, 2007, 3:10:02 PM | becke_davis
I'm always playing with my own mixtures so they vary quite a bit. If you wanted to use a potting mix that you can buy over the counter, I would go with the ones with Miracle-Gro added already. If I am starting young plants in the container, I'll include vermiculite in the mix. I do one weird thing that works for me -- potting mixes tend to be heavy and plants need good air circulation in the root area, so whenever I'm working with large containers I mix in perlite or something similar to lighten the mix, or in really big containers I mix in those styrofoam packing peanuts. They never decompose, but they do help with the air circulation and they keep the weight down.

day, February 25, 2007, 3:58:18 PM | KathySBecke, your mix is good to know. I think everyone has their special blend. I have found that going with straight potting soil, even for planters, is still too heavy. I also mix a little of my soil into it too....so, I'm going to start mixing in those added ingredients you've mentioned.

Your peanut suggestion is a good idea, although some peanuts are biodegradeable, they're made of rice flour. If you stick the peanut on your tongue, and it melts when it hits the saliva, you might not want to put it into your soil mixture. I don't think it would hurt anything, but it would disintegrate! You could always throw them into your pot of soup, to thicken it!
 

GoodFriend

Lumberjack
Some unanticipated interactions

Dangers of packaging chemicals getting into food

Beatrice Trum Hunter / Consumers' Research Magazine v76 n12 p8(2) Dec93

[Also see: Get Plastic Out Of Your Diet - PAUL GOETTLICH / Living Nutrition magazine 1ma04]
Brief Summary:
Harmful chemicals from plastic or Styrofoam packaging can penetrate the foods, and may cause health problems such as cancer. Plastic wrapping on microwavable foods can transmit the chemicals during heating. Other products packaged with safe materials are discussed.

More than a decade ago, it was discovered that an ordinary Styrofoam cup could disintegrate when it held hot tea and lemon. Discoveries of such unanticipated interactions still occur from time to time.
For many years, polystyrene egg containers have largely replaced papier-mâché. However, their safety has only recently been investigated, in 1991. The Louisiana Agricultural Experiment Station reported that volatile styrene monomers were detected in shell eggs stored in polystyrene containers for two weeks in supermarkets. Egg dishes cooked with these contaminated eggs contained seven times more ethylbenzene and styrene than those prepared from fresh farm eggs that had not been packaged in polystyrene. It is suspected that the volatile compounds can migrate through the porous shells into the edible portions of eggs.
Benzene from multilayer, oxygen-barrier, laminated bags has been found to migrate into meat, poultry, cheeses, and other packaged foods. This problem surfaced in September 1990 when an off-odor was noted in a roast beef shipment. Investigation showed that the meat contained benzene from the packaging, ranging from less than 5 parts per billion (ppb) to 17.8 ppb in raw meat. The benzene volatilized when the meat was heated.
Increasingly, plastic food wraps and containers have gained in popularity for microwaving foods. This practice can release components from the plastics, including base monomers, plasticizers, colorants, and stabilizers, especially when high heat is used. Many plastics contain plasticizers, used to increase the wrap's flexibility. Some plasticizers have been found to migrate from the plastic into food. One is DEHA [di(ethylhexyl)adepate], commonly used as a plasticizer in polyvinyl chloride (PVC) film wrap, which is popular for covering stored and microwaved food. DEHA is a suspected carcinogen.
In a 1987 study of home use of PVC film wrap, the DEHA migration level was found to increase in proportion to the time that the food was in contact with the PVC wrap and with the rise in cooking temperature. The highest migration levels were found when the plastic film was in direct contact with food with a high fat content on its surface. The highest migration levels were found with microwaved meats (such as pork, spareribs, and roast chicken), and bakery products (such as cakes, scones, and biscuits made with peanuts). Somewhat lower levels were found in fruits and vegetables, except avocado with its high fat content. Migration levels were low when there was little or no direct contact between the food and the wrap.
In the same study, use of PVC film with foods in retail stores was examined. Results were similar. The amount of DEHA migration into foods depended on how long the film was in contact with fatty surfaces of food. The highest amounts were found in cheeses, baked goods, and sandwiches; lower amounts in cooked meat and poultry; and the lowest, in fruits and vegetables.
Polyethylene, a popular plastic film commonly used for food freezer bags and wraps, does not contain plasticizers, and is considered to be generally safe for microwaving foods. However, if printing has been applied to the surface, the primer applied to the plastic prior to printing, as well as the applied inks, may subject the heated plastic to conditions distinctly different from those for which they had been tested and approved. Only clear polyethylene is suitable for microwaving food.
Formed plastic containers, used for carry-out foods, should not be re-used for microwaving. Such containers, if heated, may be subjected to conditions other than those for which they had been safety tested.
Some plastic packaging materials now in use for microwaving have not been approved for use at high heat. The most severe conditions for such packaging recognized by protocols of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) were under conditions that previously had prevailed: from 212[degrees]F to 275[degrees]F. Recognizing the changes that have occurred, FDA scientists are working with members of the packaging industry to study new testing procedures, and to learn whether packaging materials can be modified to assure food safety when used for cooking at high heat.
Of concern, too, is "active packaging." Thin layers or strips of metallic heat susceptors are placed in plastic food packaging intended for microwaving. The susceptors focus microwave radiation to produce extremely hot surfaces (400[degrees]F to 500[degrees]F) within the package. This high heat permits food to be browned, crisped, or popped--features usually lacking in microwave cooking. At such high heat, substances such as polymers and their breakdown products, as well as adhesives and their components and other substances present in the plastic, can migrate into the food. Originally, susceptor strips were approved by the FDA for a different purpose, and were tested at far lower temperatures.
Polyethylene terephthalate (PET) is a popular plastic film wrap. It had long been assumed that PET film provides a functional barrier to adhesive components. It was demonstrated recently that the film allowed the migration of adhesive components into foods when oils or foods were cooked in contact with it. A study by the FDA's Division of Food Chemistry and Technology showed that the susceptor board components that migrated in the largest quantities were the plasticizers rather than the polymer components, even though the polymer components were in direct contact with the oil or food, whereas the plasticizers were in the adhesive layer of the susceptor boards. Approximately 50% more plasticizers migrated than did polymer components.
For many years, a purple dye (FD&C Violet No. 1) had been used to stamp inspected meat. The dye was suspected as a carcinogen. There was no assurance that the portion of the meat with the dye would be cut away before being consumed. In 1973, the FDA banned the dye as a meat marker.
Nitrosamines (carcinogenic compounds) were discovered in rubber nipples used to cap baby bottles. The rubber was reformulated to eliminate nitrosame formation. More recently, nitrosamines were discovered in hams that had rubber netting to encase them after boning and curing. The rubber was reformulated to eliminate this problem.
With rapidly changing packaging practices and many innovative techniques, manufacturers and regulators need to be vigilant in order to prevent unanticipated and undesirable interactions with foods.

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mogie

Well-Known Member
I found this:

What Can I Do With All Those Packing Peanuts? [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Speaking of creative, some customers have come up with some great ways to actually use these pesky packing peanuts in their gardening. The most common use is as filler for the bottom of large containers; apparently the packing materials do a good job letting some air into the container and saving on layers and layers of expensive potting soil for plants that aren't that deep-rooted. Also, some folks grind down the peanuts and use them in homemade potting soil.[/FONT]
 

BIGMIKE13

Well-Known Member
i love it........look what i have started :mrgreen:

i just did the water check and nothing dissolved

thanks guys and girls for all the research on this :peace:

++++++++reps are on the way...lol :joint: :joint:
 

BIGMIKE13

Well-Known Member
bump, bump

just thought i throw this out there again for those that have not seen it.

i am still using this method with no problems. and using the whole peanuts to layer the bottom of each pot to help with drainage.

:peace:
 

GoodFriend

Lumberjack
if there were any chems or anything in the peanuts you would have surely come across problems by now....

nice recycling idea!!!
 

Smoke2Live420

New Member
So you telling me you can take reg. styrofoam and crumble it to little pieces and use that for perlite??????????????????
i always thought bout that but didnt kno if you could..
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
The foam in the preformed styrofoam has a chemical adhisve binder which is toxic which is why you shouldnt eat it or get it in your mouth. If you ever got a little piece in your eye it burns pretty good from the treatment used to bind it with other foam balls.I wouldnt want my plants absorbing it in the soil and then me smoking it. If you look you will also see if you burn styrofoam it gives off cancerous cfcs which cancer is badddddd
 

Smoke2Live420

New Member
The foam in the preformed styrofoam has a chemical adhisve binder which is toxic which is why you shouldnt eat it or get it in your mouth. If you ever got a little piece in your eye it burns pretty good from the treatment used to bind it with other foam balls.I wouldnt want my plants absorbing it in the soil and then me smoking it. If you look you will also see if you burn styrofoam it gives off cancerous cfcs which cancer is badddddd
what if u soak it in hot water for a day? after breakin it up
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
I dont know your call but me I wouldnt chance my lungs as any extra cfcs scares me.I know the perlite foam is a little different if you feel it its soft and pliable while the other stuff is firmer from the chemical treatment.I think Id just got to wall mart or home depot or lowes and get the 3 dollar bag of perlite
 

Indagrow

Well-Known Member
Depends on the source a lot of companies are vacuum forming with heat, some use binders. These binders are typically water insoluble hence why the foam is everywhere is wont break down hahah it really depends on which methods they are using to make them... And this is not including peanuts those are becoming biodegradable (and tasty, if you can eat Jesus wafers)
 
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