Hash Plant in NFT system

[southern homegrower]

if u drop the temps down wont this slow the stretching

 

[gohydro]

if u drop the temps down wont this slow the stretching

Well, ideally you want about 77 day temps (lights on) and 72 night temps (about a 5 degree difference). The bigger the difference between the two, the more stretch you're gonna get.

 

[southern homegrower]

how long are u going to hold out on the info of that bud drier. i need it badly

 

[gohydro]

how long are u going to hold out on the info of that bud drier. i need it badly

Oops...forgot BUT...it isnt the be all-end-all especially at this time of the year when humidity isnt a problem.

I got a big plastic container with a hinged lid. I cut 2 4" holes in it. (1 at each end and one being at the bottom of the side, and the other at the top of the other side). I bought (2) 4" muffin fans from Radio Shack (make sure they're 120 volt and NOT 12 volt.

Mounted one fan to each side. One fan blows in, and the second pulls out. On the intake fan I attached a 4" flue pipe 90, and a 3' piece of 4" flue pipe. I put a 150 watt reptile bulb inside the pipe so it heats the sides of the pipe and wired it up to a dimmer so I can control the heat. I built wire racks for the inside and thats about it.

 

[southern homegrower]

thanks i really need one. dont really have the room for putting it on screens to dry.

 

[gohydro]

thanks i really need one. dont really have the room for putting it on screens to dry.

Find a dark, cool closet. Hang the colas up. Put a 10 dollar oscillating fan blowing on them.

I took a 1by (furring strip), screwed some clothes pins to it, hung the 1by from 2 strings and clamped all my colas to it. Works great!

 

[southern homegrower]

my closet has mother plants in it. maybe i need a bigger house

 

[LoudBlunts]

I dunno Loud......sounds to me that you have everything covered as far as temps go. You could try Bushmaster which is supposed to stop vertical growth but I've heard mixed reviews. Can you relo the lights a little and try to LST? I know...its a pain in the ass....especially if your fixtures are ducted. If worst comes to worst you can always select a few to cull and use the area for the remainder if you LST.

Maybe cut back to 10/14 on your 12/12 cycle and force a quicker finish?

Any way to hang your fixtures vertically next to them instead of above them?

yea Bushmaster is looking more and more like a good choice....i just worry about potency and taste if it will affect it.


and i thinking its just my fault.


i let these Alpha Diesels (which i think are straight Sativas) get too big

i think i flowered them at 12-14"

NEVER EVER AGAIN will i flower these sativas that large.


and its not even stretching... they are just growing vertically. budsites everywhere

 

[gohydro]

yea Bushmaster is looking more and more like a good choice....i just worry about potency and taste if it will affect it.


and i thinking its just my fault.


i let these Alpha Diesels (which i think are straight Sativas) get too big

i think i flowered them at 12-14"

NEVER EVER AGAIN will i flower these sativas that large.


and its not even stretching... they are just growing vertically. budsites everywhere

I read somewhere that it did stop vertical growth but only for the week that it was added to the nute mix. The guy said the following week they started stretching again. Who knows.....he may have had other problems.

The only thing I can tell you is that when I had this problem I let it go too long. I ended up relocating/re-ducting my fixtures off to the side of the plants AND culling a few plants but it was a royal pain in the ass with the plants so big......impossible to work over. My Hash Plants are getting a little too tall for my liking. I'm on week 3 ( they're about 40") and they should stop soon. I still have 24" of space to raise the lights but I am taking the necessary steps now just in case.

I've also got about 8-10 more rooted clones (4-6") and I am going to go to 12/12 immediately just to see the outcome.

 

[southern homegrower]

cant wait to hear how them hash plants taste

 

[LoudBlunts]

im like a week ahead of you.


my reflector is all the way to the roof of my tent.

i tried to think of a way to reroute all ducting...but that wont even help...as i dont think the tent would be strong enough for all my modifications...

i guess i could find some hooks to make my clearance a little closer.... as i use those hooks that has a solid hole, then you have the side where you press the thing and it opens? you know like some of those keychain holders? i know i sound pretty confusing...lol so ill shut up til i can get you some pics and maybe you can help or it will show you better of what im dealing with

 

[gohydro]

im like a week ahead of you.


my reflector is all the way to the roof of my tent.

i tried to think of a way to reroute all ducting...but that wont even help...as i dont think the tent would be strong enough for all my modifications...

i guess i could find some hooks to make my clearance a little closer.... as i use those hooks that has a solid hole, then you have the side where you press the thing and it opens? you know like some of those keychain holders? i know i sound pretty confusing...lol so ill shut up til i can get you some pics and maybe you can help or it will show you better of what im dealing with

What would that give you....another 1"? Is it even worth it?

Isn't there any way to hang the lights vertically on the side of the plants?

Can you get em out of the tent and in to a spare closet or somewhere else with a little more headroom?

I know this sounds a little ridiculous but my Mom closet is a 8' tall Ikea wardrobe....costs $99.00. Got a 400watter tight to the ceiling with ducting coming in one side (attached to the hood) and out the other. Works well keeping the light from the flower area.

 

[LoudBlunts]

sigh*

im just gonna suffer and deal with it.


im just waking up and they have seemed to learn to stay away from the bulb..... the supercropping seems to be working.

also, unc....what do you think about modifying the nute regime some?

i've been using some of the nutes for 2 week instead of changing out each nute every week.... what do you think about that?

 

[gohydro]

sigh*

im just gonna suffer and deal with it.


im just waking up and they have seemed to learn to stay away from the bulb..... the supercropping seems to be working.

also, unc....what do you think about modifying the nute regime some?

i've been using some of the nutes for 2 week instead of changing out each nute every week.... what do you think about that?

Glad the supercropping is working. I certainly know the feeling of wanting a grow to be over with so you can get a fresh start.

As far as nute modification my thought is that I'll only do what is necessary. I don't have the ability to measure what particular nutrient has been used up in a weeks time so rather than going 2 weeks I'll follow the weekly schedule as much as I can. You and I both have a shitload of $ tied up in lights, fans, pumps (not to mention electricity bills) to cut corners on nutes. To me it's similar to using the same dirt (to save a few bucks) in a second soil grow. Relatively speaking....Why cut corners when the cost is small compared to our initial investment? That being said my only modification will be to cut out 2 weeks of shooting powder since your recommendation is to avoid shooting powder AND top boost at the same time. They recommend Top Boost at wk 3 (on a 6 week flower chart) followed by 3 successive weeks of shooting powder. If I wait until week 4 or 5 for the Top Boost I won't start the shooting powder until after the Top Boost. Once I figure out if this Hash Plant really is a 40 day strain I'll be able to pin it down even further.

Are you seeing the same thing with PH? After the addition of A & B is your PH in the neighborhood of 3.5? No, my meter isn't screwed up...I have 3 ph meters and I'm checking one against the other. I mixed 3 different batches yesterday (1st week flower, Moms, and 4th wk flower) and each batch had a ph of around 3.5 before correction. Remember...I'm using RO water. Going through more PH up than I've ever used before but that shit is pennies a bottle. I'll gladly trade that for the stability I'm seeing after correction.

 

[gohydro]

By the way Loud....I need to thank you again for your recommendation on H&G. That H&G stuff is the shit. I didn't like it when saw the cost but I don't think I've ever had a more perfect crop....no deficiency's, no spotting, no leaf burn...perfect colas, beautiful leaves, perfect color. Hope it smokes as good as it looks.

 

[gohydro]

Update:

Day 18 of flower

 

[LoudBlunts]

Yea i know what you mean about trying not to cut corners......but honestly... i've been following the chart...but not to the exact T. its always been about 5-10mL less.... and i havent seen any drawbacks at all... plants are beautiful lush green.

I've also ran nutes for 2 weeks and no problems at all. Im only modifying/making the 2 week stretch for i think only 4 weeks max....once i start using the top booster and shooting powder, i change it up.

I'm currently running the bud xl phase for about 2 weeks and imma add for the last week.

Just trying to tweak the schedule a little bit....because i've noticed, these nutes are ultra concentrated.... I can easily burn some plants...you know those picky ones.


Also, im going to use the Top Booster as indicated, as i've only found that one incident. And I also think that poster had his words mixed up....its doesnt actually dry out your colas/flowers/buds...."it just gives an optical illusion/artifical type drough giving the plant the impression that the last phase of its life cycle has started. To ensure its survival, the plant will start to form flowers and fruits to reproduce itself"


I also think the Top Booster is necessary for the function of the shooting powder. I blv the function of the shooting powder is to trigger a second flowering/budding process. So in essence, i think because the flowers become enormously big, i think the 'artifical' drought process of the Top Booster is logically essential. Or maybe im just too high and over analyzing.

House & Garden sent me hella info with the products. got manuals and shit. I feel even more enlightened on the nute process....all because I went with H & G. Kinda funny that other nute manufacturers like GH dont go into detail like that. Canna does...but there aint many.


Keep in mind that our Bud XL is also a flowering stimulator. Shooting Powder is your flowering booster. With Top Booster being ANOTHER flowering stimulator


yes... I have noticed when i mixed my RO water and the nutes...they do normally mix up acidic...about 3.2 - 4.0 like you say. I've also noticed that i use way less ph up or down than with other nutes. normally in my gh3 or canna nutes...it will take more pH up or Down to change its pH.....not this stuff.... you better use literal drops LOL!!!! i learned the hard way.

my pH is so stable, i probably check it every week now...sometimes i might fill the vail with some nute soup and use the pH indicator drops.... but the pH remains the MOST stable out of ANY nute line.

also for my mothers, i only water them once a month now. thas all they want. then i foilar feed with Magic Green. I used to NOT blv in foilar feeding, but this Magic Green from house and garden is like leaf crack. they love the stuff and it really cuts down on my nute consumption for mothers. I highly recommend you get the Magic Green too.

Also, House & Garden is actually cheaper than most nutes, here's a chart: http://www.humboldtwholesale.com/files/upload/PricePerRun_Worksheet_08.pdf


and no problem. I just want my folks growing with the best. I try to tell folks, but they just think imma salesperson or something. The proof is in the pudding

Fuck all that Superthrive, sm90, hydroguard, etc etc. thas like 3 nutes i can get rid of. My Roots Excellator is like 4 products IN ONE!!!!! Not to mention the dosage ratio is HELLA lower than any of those products. 1mL per gallon is bad ass. AND I KNOW YOU LOVING THOSE roots, uncle...tell me your roots arent pretty

Cal/Mag? yup i can get rid of that too. I havent even needed to use it. If I did add it, i'd probably BURN my plants.

Im seriously about to downsize on everything!

Only House & Garden from now on.

 

[LoudBlunts]

oh yea, the only thing that i will add to my nute closet in addition to House & Garden is Great White. House & Garden recommends inculating gardens.....sooooo imma try. H&G hasnt stirred me wrong yet!!!

 

[southern homegrower]

how long should roots be on my clones before i put them in my aero tubs.and can i put the clones in the net pots with just neaprean.or just use hydroton

 

[LoudBlunts]

depends on your area of coverage from the sprayers.


and it also depends, IMHO, if you have teh bottom of your netpots cut out.



i use ONLY neoprene, not medium AT ALL.....to troublesome!