Poth3ad
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your dumb
The origin of 420??????
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MwGthumb
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To each it his own I was just passing on what my parents said....To call people dumb is not cool...your dumb
JeepBeep
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"My Mama says that alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush"
- Waterboy
Sorry I had to =) no hard feelings.
- Waterboy
Sorry I had to =) no hard feelings.
MwGthumb
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Nah im cool...As i said previously in another post my mom is a hippie my dad is a vet..figured the info was good... Cracking is fine....name calling is just abusive.
turkish420
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Aight ya'll I didnt this thread to get people talkin shit to eachother! no matter where it originated 420 is OUR time for chillin and blazin and letting go of our troubles!
pastafarian81
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Sportbilly stop spamming the boards
DW4174
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Yep thats the shrot explaination of it.
As weird as it is, it was started by people in college in cali, not texas.
DW4174
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"Legend holds that the term 420 originated in San Rafael, California. Apparantly, a group of high school kids known as the Waldos would meet everyday after school at 4:20 PM at a statue of Louis Pasteur. When they wanted to smoke, to ask if anyone had pot, or to ask if they looked stoned the members would say “420 Louis.” The phrase stuck, and because of traveling groups like the Grateful Dead, the term spread far beyond the borders of California." - http://collegecandy.com/tag/420/
This is the closest thing I can find to support my claim.
This is the closest thing I can find to support my claim.
Big P
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Slownotions
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Yes i would have to say for a fact that the origins is what was said above, the kids in san leonardo in the early 70's smoking pot, at 4:20 everyday, im from southern california and have lots of friends in the bay area, and i know a older man who claims he went to san leonardo in the early 70's and that term was a new thing at the time, and other kids from other area highschools did not know of the term at the time, and by the late 70's everyone in the bay area used the term, and to my speculation it spread into central and so- cali by the early 80's (before i was born, i was born in 84) and i speculate this because of older friends that recall when they first began to hear the term while living in central and southern california, anyways theres my take and experiences
That 5hit
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but why 4:20 and not 4:00 or even 4:30
thats just doesnt add up
a beter story is the kids smoke so much and when they went to the local weed man they would always get 4, $20 sack of weed form him, so when ever he see's them , before they could even put in a request he would node his head a say 4, 20's. and this would normally happen after school (3:30)
not trying to debunk legend, but noone really knows and kids arent that timely most teenagers would meet at the hour or half hour. the time 4:20 just doesnt sound right to me.
if the code was 4:30 i could understand, or even 4:00 maybe even 4:15
if it was maybe an adress or the no. of a vacant apt. or a class room
thats just doesnt add up
a beter story is the kids smoke so much and when they went to the local weed man they would always get 4, $20 sack of weed form him, so when ever he see's them , before they could even put in a request he would node his head a say 4, 20's. and this would normally happen after school (3:30)
not trying to debunk legend, but noone really knows and kids arent that timely most teenagers would meet at the hour or half hour. the time 4:20 just doesnt sound right to me.
if the code was 4:30 i could understand, or even 4:00 maybe even 4:15
if it was maybe an adress or the no. of a vacant apt. or a class room
420OldSchoolDJ420
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The History of 420
" Among stoner circles, there is nothing more known than the symbol of 420. It is confirmed by High Times mag that the term originated with the Waldos in San Rafael, who used it in high school as an extremely similar code. The term could mean anything that had to do with Cannabis.
Other myths about the term include the widely spread rumor that it represents the police code for smoking weed in any number of cities, that the Grateful Dead played everyday at 4:30 PM (meaning the crowd would meet up at 4:20 to "prepare"), and that a wide variety of great rock stars were born or died on the date (although it is the birthday of Luther Vandross).
This is not the only chapter in stoner culture when categrizing by topic. It is, however, the only true historical practice that s tied directly to the culture and promotes activity within the culture.
All the red-eyes know a thing or two about rolling, shotguns, resin scraping, dropping a piece, ritualistic eating, etc. None of that stuff is serious; there isn't a wide-spread ritualstic tie.
For some reason, the 420 slang made it big. A couple of dopey stoned kids making jokes saw one of the stupid things the say make it into the vocabulary of everyone like them. It could just have easily been you or me with a group of kids, burning spliffs and choing down twinkies. These kids just happened to come up with the right slogan, it happened to reach the right people, who were making the right flyer for the rigt band... and the Waldos escalated their term to minor greatness.
The schizophrenic nature of the creation of the term can only be described as "stoned". It doesn't make any sense that this one inside joke thrown around a high school ever became something special.
That being said, there isn't anything wrong with it. It might make more sense for the counter cultural group that celebrates 420 to have holidays based on actual events as well. Here are some suggestions:
1. Bicycle Day-April 19th
On this date in 1943, Albert Hoffman became the first person to test LSD purposely after he had, a few days earlier, felt strange effects from the chemical while working in his labs. Hoffman supposedly dropped 250 ug and took a pleasant bike ride.
Some people find this to be a myth because of the amount he ingested and the length of time that he tripped. Either way, the day before April 20th could forever be designated as a day to trip and take a relaxing bike ride. At midnight, bleary eyed buddies could sit next to one another and smoke the best pot they have come across. How's that for a 1-2?
2. Bob Marley's Birthday- February 6th
I suppose this is not celebrated by NO ONE, but February 6th is my birthday as well, and I think I would remember if I smelled ganja everywhere I walked on my birthday the last few years in college. Take a day off for Bob.
3. The West meets Psychedelic Mushrooms- June 29th
There had been a long dispute over the past few decades about whether or not psychedelic mushrooms existed. R Gordon Wasson was finally able to track some down and actually ingest them on this date in 1955. He and his wife are the first people to indulge in the sacred mushroom. The CIA eventually got on Wasson's ass because they believed that crazy stuff was being used and studied to create methods of mind control.
Yeah... whatever, Larouche...
4. England Relaxes the Law-October 23rd
Those Brits taught by example on this date in 2001, when the penalties for personal possesion decreased. The drug was reclassifed in order to move it to a category that treats the drug as one less serious than cocaine or heroin... go figure...
The man in charge of the move, David Blunkett, said that the lchange was not a sign of a move toward legalization. Regardless, you can celebrate as though it were one. "
source - http://apartment618.blogspot.com/2005/10/history-of-420.html
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What 420 Means: The True Story Behind Stoners' Favorite Number
Source - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/20/what-420-means-the-true-s_n_188320.html
Warren Haynes, the Allman Brothers Band guitarist, routinely plays with the surviving members of the Grateful Dead, now touring as The Dead. He's just finished a Dead show in Washington, D.C. and gets a pop quiz from the Huffington Post.
Where does 420 come from?
He pauses and thinks, hands on his side. "I don't know the real origin. I know myths and rumors," he says. "I'm really confused about the first time I heard it. It was like a police code for smoking in progress or something. What's the real story?"
Depending on who you ask, or their state of inebriation, there are as many varieties of answers as strains of medical bud in California. It's the number of active chemicals in marijuana. It's teatime in Holland. It has something to do with Hitler's birthday. It's those numbers in that Bob Dylan song multiplied.
The origin of the term 420, celebrated around the world by pot smokers every April 20th, has long been obscured by the clouded memories of the folks who made it a phenomenon.
The Huffington Post chased the term back to its roots and was able to find it in a lost patch of cannabis in a Point Reyes, California forest. Just as interesting as its origin, it turns out, is how it spread.
It starts with the Dead.
It was Christmas week in Oakland, 1990. Steven Bloom was wandering through The Lot - that timeless gathering of hippies that springs up in the parking lot before every Grateful Dead concert - when a Deadhead handed him a yellow flyer.
"We are going to meet at 4:20 on 4/20 for 420-ing in Marin County at the Bolinas Ridge sunset spot on Mt. Tamalpais," reads the message, which Bloom dug up and forwarded to the Huffington Post. Bloom, then a reporter for High Times magazine and now the publisher of CelebStoner.com and co-author of Pot Culture, had never heard of "420-ing" before.
The flyer came complete with a 420 back story: "420 started somewhere in San Rafael, California in the late '70s. It started as the police code for Marijuana Smoking in Progress. After local heads heard of the police call, they started using the expression 420 when referring to herb - Let's Go 420, dude!"
Bloom reported his find in the May 1991 issue of High Times, which the magazine found in its archives and provided to the Huffington Post. The story, though, was only partially right.
It had nothing to do with a police code -- though the San Rafael part was dead on. Indeed, a group of five San Rafael High School friends known as the Waldos - by virtue of their chosen hang-out spot, a wall outside the school - coined the term in 1971. The Huffington Post spoke with Waldo Steve, Waldo Dave and Dave's older brother, Patrick, and confirmed their full names and identities, which they asked to keep secret for professional reasons. (Pot is still, after all, illegal.)
The Waldos never envisioned that pot smokers the world over would celebrate each April 20th as a result of their foray into the Point Reyes forest. The day has managed to become something of a national holiday in the face of official condemnation. This year's celebration will be no different. Officials at the University of Colorado at Boulder and University of California, Santa Cruz, which boast two of the biggest smoke outs, are pushing back. "As another April 20 approaches, we are faced with concerns from students, parents, alumni, Regents, and community members about a repeat of last year's 4/20 'event,'" wrote Boulder's chancellor in a letter to students. "On April 20, 2009, we hope that you will choose not to participate in unlawful activity that debases the reputation of your University and degree, and will encourage your fellow Buffs to act with pride and remember who they really are."
But the Cheshire cat is out of the bag. Students and locals will show up at round four, light up at 4:20 and be gone shortly thereafter. No bands, no speakers, no chants. Just a bunch of people getting together and getting stoned.
The code often creeps into popular culture and mainstream settings. All of the clocks in Pulp Fiction, for instance, are set to 4:20. In 2003, when the California legislature codified the medical marijuana law voters had approved, the bill was named SB420.
"We think it was a staffer working for [lead Assembly sponsor Mark] Leno, but no one has ever fessed up," says Steph Sherer, head of Americans for Safe Access, which lobbied on behalf of the bill. California legislative staffers spoken to for this story say that the 420 designation remains a mystery, but that both Leno and the lead Senate sponsor, John Vasconcellos, are hip enough that they must have known what it meant. (If you were involved with SB420 and know the story, email me.)
The code pops up in Craig's List postings when fellow smokers search for "420 friendly" roommates. "It's just a vaguer way of saying it and it kind of makes it kind of cool," says Bloom. "Like, you know you're in the know, but that does show you how it's in the mainstream."
The Waldos do have proof, however, that they used the term in the early '70s in the form of an old 420 flag and numerous letters with 420 references and early '70s post marks. They also have a story.
It goes like this: One day in the Fall of 1971 - harvest time - the Waldos got word of a Coast Guard service member who could no longer tend his plot of marijuana plants near the Point Reyes Peninsula Coast Guard station. A treasure map in hand, the Waldos decided to pluck some of this free bud.
The Waldos were all athletes and agreed to meet at the statue of Loius Pasteur outside the school at 4:20, after practice, to begin the hunt.
"We would remind each other in the hallways we were supposed to meet up at 4:20. It originally started out 4:20-Louis and we eventually dropped the Louis," Waldo Steve tells the Huffington Post.
The first forays out were unsuccessful, but the group kept looking for the hidden crop. "We'd meet at 4:20 and get in my old '66 Chevy Impala and, of course, we'd smoke instantly and smoke all the way out to Pt. Reyes and smoke the entire time we were out there. We did it week after week," says Steve. "We never actually found the patch."
But they did find a useful codeword. "I could say to one of my friends, I'd go, 420, and it was telepathic. He would know if I was saying, 'Hey, do you wanna go smoke some?' Or, 'Do you have any?' Or, 'Are you stoned right now?' It was kind of telepathic just from the way you said it," Steve says. "Our teachers didn't know what we were talking about. Our parents didn't know what we were talking about."
It's one thing to identify the origin of the term. Indeed, Wikipedia and Urban Dictionary already include references to the Waldos. The bigger question: How did 420 spread from a circle of California stoners across the globe?
As fortune would have it, the collapse of San Francisco's hippie utopia in the late '60s set the stage. As speed freaks, thugs and con artists took over The Haight, the Grateful Dead picked up and moved to the Marin County hills - just blocks from San Rafael High School.
"Marin Country was kind of ground zero for the counter culture," says Steve.
The Waldos had more than just a geographic connection to the Dead. Mark Waldo's father took care of real estate for the Dead. And Waldo Dave's older brother, Patrick, managed a Dead sideband and was good friends with bassist Phil Lesh. Patrick tells the Huffington Post that he smoked with Lesh on numerous occasions. He couldn't recall if he used the term 420 around him, but guessed that he must have.
The Dead, recalls Waldo Steve, "had this rehearsal hall on Front Street, San Rafael, California, and they used to practice there. So we used to go hang out and listen to them play music and get high while they're practicing for gigs. But I think it's possible my brother Patrick might have spread it through Phil Lesh. And me, too, because I was hanging out with Lesh and his band when they were doing a summer tour my brother was managing."
The band that Patrick managed was called Too Loose To Truck and featured not only Lesh but rock legend David Crosby and acclaimed guitarist Terry Haggerty.
The Waldos also had open access to Dead parties and rehearsals. "We'd go with [Mark's] dad, who was a hip dad from the '60s," says Steve. "There was a place called Winterland and we'd always be backstage running around or onstage and, of course, we're using those phrases. When somebody passes a joint or something, 'Hey, 420.' So it started spreading through that community."
Lesh, walking off the stage after a recent Dead concert, confirmed that Patrick is a friend and said he "wouldn't be surprised" if the Waldos had coined 420. He wasn't sure, he said, when the first time he heard it was. "I do not remember. I'm very sorry. I wish I could help," he said.
Wavy-Gravy is a hippie icon with his own ice cream flavor and has been hanging out with the Dead for decades. HuffPost spotted him outside the concert. Asked about the origin of 420, he suggested it began "somewhere in the foggy mists of time. What time is it now? I say to you: eternity now."
As the Grateful Dead toured the globe through the '70s and '80s, playing hundreds of shows a year - the term spread though the Dead underground. Once High Times got hip to it, the magazine helped take it global.
"I started incorporating it into everything we were doing," High Times editor Steve Hager told the Huffington Post. "I started doing all these big events - the World Hemp Expo Extravaganza and the Cannabis Cup - and we built everything around 420. The publicity that High Times gave it is what made it an international thing. Until then, it was relatively confined to the Grateful Dead subculture. But we blew it out into an international phenomenon."
Sometime in the early '90s, High Times wisely purchased the web domain 420.com.
Bloom, the reporter who first stumbled on it, gives High Times less credit. "We posted that flyer and then we started to see little references to it. It wasn't really much of High Times doing," he says. "We weren't really pushing it that hard, just kind of referencing the phrase."
The Waldos say that within a few years the term had spread throughout San Rafael and was cropping up elsewhere in the state. By the early '90s, it had penetrated deep enough that Dave and Steve started hearing people use it in unexpected places - Ohio, Florida, Canada - and spotted it painted on signs and etched into park benches.
In 1997, the Waldos decided to set the record straight and got in touch with High Times.
"They said, 'The fact is, there is no 420 [police] code in California. You guys ever look it up?'" Blooms recalls. He had to admit that no, he had never looked it up. Hager flew out to San Rafael, met the Waldos, examined their evidence, spoke with others in town, and concluded they were telling the truth.
Hager still believes them. "No one's ever been able to come up with any use of 420 that predates the 1971 usage, which they had established. So unless somebody can come up with something that predates them, then I don't think anybody's going to get credit for it other than them," he says.
"We never made a dime on the thing," says Dave, half boasting, half lamenting.
He does take pride in his role, though. "I still have a lot of friends who tell their friends that they know one of the guys that started the 420 thing. So it's kind of like a cult celebrity thing. Two years ago I went to the Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam. High Times magazine flew me out," says Dave.
Dave is now a credit analyst and works for Steve, who owns a specialty lending institution and lost money to the con artist Bernie Madoff. He spends more time today, he says, composing angry letters to the SEC than he does getting high.
The other three Waldos have also been successful, Steve says. One is head of marketing for a Napa Valley winery. Another is in printing and graphics. A third works for a roofing and gutter company. "He's like, head of their gutter division," says Steve, who keeps in close touch with them all.
"I've got to run a business. I've got to stay sharp," says Steve, explaining why he rarely smokes pot anymore. "Seems like everybody I know who smokes daily, or many times in a week, it seems like there's always something going wrong with their life, professionally, or in their relationships, or financially or something. It's a lot of fun, but it seems like if someone does it too much, there's some karmic cost to it."
"I never endorsed the use of marijuana. But hey, it worked for me," says Waldo Dave. "I'm sure on my headstone it'll say: 'One of the 420 guys.'"
Weedoozie
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HEY ALL YOU CONFUSED PEOPLE: I'm just 20 years old but a friend of mine's dad is one of the Waldos and different friend of mine is a another member of the same Waldos (he's now an advanced grower) and according to him, they were a group of intelligent, smart-asses who got in trouble a lot for interrupting and correcting teachers. They were often put into detention after San Rafael High got out so they didn't get out of class until 4:10pm at which time, the FIVE GUYS went to the STATUE of LOUIS PASTEUR to blaze up. They coined the phrase before everyone else and it has spread since its conception in 1971. Probably because all of the members of the Waldos became successful members of society and were able to spread their "420 time" term in five directions.
The gardening friend of mine who is one of the Waldos now works at a Garden store/nursery in the same county--which is also where I grew up--and helps me out with my plants all the time! He even gave me a couple of bottles of Earth Juice for free! And I can safely say that 4 of the 5 Waldos still smoke occasionally if not everyday at 4:20pm
To my knowledge, 1 of the Waldos is now a lawyer, 1 is an engineer, 1 is an advanced grower who is my gardening friend, 1 is retired from computer design and is probably growing, and the other one doesn't smoke anymore because he is in politics.
The gardening friend of mine who is one of the Waldos now works at a Garden store/nursery in the same county--which is also where I grew up--and helps me out with my plants all the time! He even gave me a couple of bottles of Earth Juice for free! And I can safely say that 4 of the 5 Waldos still smoke occasionally if not everyday at 4:20pm
To my knowledge, 1 of the Waldos is now a lawyer, 1 is an engineer, 1 is an advanced grower who is my gardening friend, 1 is retired from computer design and is probably growing, and the other one doesn't smoke anymore because he is in politics.
pends on where you live...
Bud Gardener
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It's not the "Waldos" who first coined the term, it's a guy named Brad Bann aka "The Bebe".
Here is the full article.
http://www.420magazine.com/2012/10/the-true-origin-of-420-setting-the-record-straight/
Here is the press release on PRWeb.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/10/prweb10013410.htm
It's nice to have the truth be told, once and for all.
Here is the full article.
http://www.420magazine.com/2012/10/the-true-origin-of-420-setting-the-record-straight/
Here is the press release on PRWeb.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/10/prweb10013410.htm
It's nice to have the truth be told, once and for all.
The Bebe Is The Thomas Edison Of 420
By Rob Griffin
Ever since I read an article about a group of guys named the Waldos claiming to be the originators of 420, I had doubts from the start as something didn't make sense. Why did they choose 4:20 as the time to meet at the statue and who was the one that first coined the term? This never made any sense to me and I knew something wasn't right. Suspecting there was a true originator, I began sending out energy for them to contact me for this article. Today was that day.
I received an email from a guy named Brad Bann aka "The Bebe", claiming to be the Father of 420, saying that it all started in 1970 with a group of guys called "The Bebes". They lived on a golf course, in a neighborhood called "Peacock Gap" in San Rafael, California.
Bebe says, "The Bebes and the Waldos are still good friends to this day, however it's time the truth be told." He goes on to say, "The Waldos were a group of guys I ordained", referring to Steven Capper as the "Original Waldo". He went on to explain how the Waldos were a small group of non-athletic guys he dubbed "Waldos", because they were uncoordinated and goofy. "During the summer of 1970 at San Rafael High School, there were two groups of people involved in bringing forth the term 420, the Bebes and the Waldos. The Bebes beat the Waldos to the punch on nearly every phrase. The Waldos put a story on the Web in 1998, but not the real story. They never mentioned the Bebes because they would have some explaining to do."
The Bebe and one of the other Bebes named, "Bone Boy", sent their claim to High Times in 2003, after someone sent them the article they did on 420 and the Waldos. They waited for months, yet never received a reply.
The moment of truth. I finally had the answer I'd been seeking and it was time to set the record straight, once and for all.
420 Interviews
To verify credibility, I began contacting all of The Bebes, gathering information on the story. I confirmed all of their full names and identities, some of which asked to keep secret for personal and/or professional reasons. After interviewing 10 Bebes and hearing all of their stories, it was easy to conclude that there was definitely a hidden truth, that needed to be revealed. Everyone told the exact same story!
Meet Dave Dixon aka Wild Du, one of the Dixon brothers who was there when Bebe coined the term 420. Bebe describes Wild Du as, "a "Core Bebe", who I sold knife sets to businesses up and down the California Coast with, just out of high school. Him and I started "The 420 Band" in 1972, and still play to this day." Wild Du says, "I first met Bebe at the neighborhood gathering when we were 15. We went to the brick yard to play and Bebe started throwing bricks and poking holes in the mortar with his fingers, causing a ruckus, which ended up in getting us both arrested." He went on to say that the Waldos have admitted that the Bebes coined the term 420 to him, just not to the public.
Dave is now 58 years old, still lives in San Rafael, California grinding knives and playing guitar with Bebe.
Then there's Wild Du's brother Dan Dixon aka Puff, the other Dixon brother who was there when Bebe coined the term 420. Bebe describes Puff as another "Core Bebe", saying, "Puff was popular with the Bebes and the Waldos, this is how all the words the Bebes made up, became language that the Waldos ended up using, like 420. Puff and I were in the Army in Germany together and were always seen together during high school." Puff says, "The Waldos admit that the Bebes coined the term 420, there is no question. They even tried to recruit me, to make their story more credible."
Dan is now 57 years old and lives in Oklahoma, where he is a retired caregiver for his mother in law. He spent his career as a Basketball Coach, later to become a Pharmacy Tech, providing health care to those in need. He loves football, basketball, golf and 420.
When brothers Wild Du & Puff were asked to recall the exact Saturday in October, 1970, they both remembered puffing in the house with Bebe on those particular weekends and confirm being there when Bebe coined the term, however were unable to pin down the exact day. Wild Du thinks it happened on the first (10/03/70) or second (10/10/70) Saturday of October, because it was the beginning of school.
Tom Thorgersen aka Thorgy was the neighborhood Norwegian weed dealer, who handled all of the Bebe's 420 needs. Bebe recalls, "Thorgy was the big 420 weed dealer in the 70s & 80s and the Bebes spent a lot of time at Thorgy's." Thorgy started smoking at 12 years of age, to calm his hyperactivity. His mom even offered to help him grow it. He shared stories about calling in to radio shows with the Bebe and doing 420 pranks on the air, and listening to the reel to reel audio recordings of Bebe's version of Abraham Lincoln's address, "4 Score and 20 Years". Thorgy says, "Steve Capper is an opportunist who wasn't even close to making up 420. We made fun of the Waldos, aka "Wallies", they were the weaker link, the ones who didn't fit in. It will be nice to finally have the truth be told."
Tom is now 55 years old and still lives in San Rafael, California. He is a Carpenter with a passion for rebuilding old cars.
Dave Anderson aka Hello Andy was, "The main spokesman for the Bebes, who tried desperately to organize and explain Bebe behavior", says Bebe. Hello Andy recalls, "Everything Bone Boy said is true. Bebe was always making up nicknames for everyone and spent a lot of time in his bedroom making prank recordings. He was always making weird sounds and was great with voices. One time we made this recording of police calls where Bebe would say stuff like, "One Adam Twelve. We have a 420 on 4th Street. Send 2 units. Over". He would do things like aiming rocks at a target, looking long and hard at it, then saying something like, "Estimating angle 420", then throw it. Hello Andy goes on to say, "I lived in between Bebe and Du & Puff, and took part in plenty of bong outs at their house. It's highly likely that I could have been there at the time he first said it, however there is no question that Bebe certainly coined the term 420, which later became our special code. To be honest with you, I never even considered Steve Capper a Waldo.
Dave is now 57 years old, lives in Sacramento, California and is an Engineer. He likes Golf, sports, music, movies and a little 420 from time to time at a concert or special occasion like the Bebe's 420 reunion.
Bone Boy was the designated driver, chauffeuring The Bebes around in his Blue 66' Barracuda, blasting 8-Tracks of Hendrix, Zeppelin, The Who, Santana, Doobie Brothers & more. Bone Boy says, "I never allowed toking out in my car, so we would drive around Marin County looking for scenic places to take the car and get high. Some of our favorite spots were, "The Wall", "Windless", Sequoia" and "360"." Bebe says, "Bone Boy always had transportation and planned events. He was very good in sports, loved music and always had new albums. All the Bebes were good in sports and had very good communication skills. We all used Sonics, a loud piercing noise that Bebes could identify and locate each other, saved our asses more than once." Bone Boy says, "We would go to Baskin Robbins and Bebe would make this high pitch sonic noise. People would just look around and wonder where it came from. He was always screwing with people, in an odd, fun way." He goes on to say, "We lived on a golf course surrounded by houses and Bebe was always doing something crazy. One day, he showed up with a golf cart. When we asked where he got it, he said, "Don't worry, nobody pays attention." Bone Boy says, "I asked a teacher from San Rafael High School if they remembered The Bebe and he said they used to have staff meetings about Bebe and his pranks, all of the time".
Bone Boy is now 57 years old, lives in Huntington Beach, CA and is a music industry veteran. He loves film, music, writing, teaching and the great outdoors.
Turkey was from Georgia and spoke differently with a southern twang. Bebe recalls, "He always had to go home early and would say, "my ass is grass", then run home. He had a mini bike that would go 42.0 mph, some of our first transportation."
Then there was The Worm, who Bebe says had a prosthetic arm and used to play tackle football with them. "I love that guy, so full of life. He was a real game person, many stories about and with him. He would love to be part of this."
Blue and The Mead were two anti-social brothers called Blue Boys, who were a few years younger. Bebe says, "Blue Boy" was a term we gave to the younger guys who hung out with us." Hello Andy recalls, "One time I watched Blue Boys, Blue and Scraun play a prank on the coach. They watched their watches and when the time came, they asked, "Hey coach, what time is it?" He replied, "4:20" and they all started giggling."
And finally we come to Brad Bann aka The Bebe. He was known as a prankster back in high school. He loves music, sports, and scientific facts. He still lives in San Rafael, California where he plays guitar and is the lead singer in a band, doing Frank Sinatra covers. When Bebe isn't playing live gigs, you can still find him in his studio making funny songs and recordings. Today is actually his 58th Birthday. What a perfect time to reveal his hidden truth to the world. Hempy Birthday, Brother Bebe!
When asked if anyone possibly had any of the reel to reel prank calls and/or random audio recordings of The Bebe with 420; Bebe lost all of his, Wild Du's were stolen and Bone Boy's mysteriously disappeared. Unfortunately, nobody else had any recollection of having any of these recordings, however with the release of this new truth, hopefully some of them will manifest in the days to come.
420 Conclusion
The Bebes are a group of athletes from San Rafael, CA, who went to San Rafael High School in 1970. They lived in the same neighborhood called Peacock Gap, which was a golf course, surrounded by houses. They were well known for their prank phone calls and recordings. Brad Bann aka The Bebe was the leader of the group and was joined by all of his friends, whom he ordained and named as well. There was Dave Dixon aka Wild Du, his brother Dan Dixon aka Puff, Dave Anderson aka Hello Andy, Tom Thorgersen aka Thorgy, Bone Boy, Blue, The Mead, Turkey & The Worm.
The Waldos are a group of non athletic guys from San Rafael, CA, who went to San Rafael High School in 1970. They were known for being uncoordinated and goofy, which is why The Bebe nicknamed them all Waldos. There was Steve Capper and David Reddix who have gone public with their names, Patrick, Larry, Jeff, John and Mark, who have not gone public as of yet. While these guys may have been responsible for promoting 420 across country, there is no question that they did not coin the term and have been dishonest with the world from day one. True credit goes to The Bebe and his brotherhood of Bebes.
420 Closing
One thing is certain to me, Brad Bann aka the Bebe coined the term 420 and the Waldos carried the term across the U.S. on tour with the Grateful Dead. I took the torch in 1993 and promoted 420 to the world via my website/s, reaching over 20 million people a year, totaling over 420 million people worldwide. Now there are billions of us.
People have asked me the same question, 420 million times, “What is 420?” The most common reply was usually an hour long explanation of 420 different things that it is and can be. After 20 years of promoting this magical number, I’ve come to summarize it down to, “It’s anything you want it to be.”
It’s been 42.0 years since Bebe first coined the term 420 and I am very honored and truly grateful for being chosen to send his message to the world, setting the record straight once and for all.
Something Bebe said to me, that really made my day was, “the more I listen to you speak, the more I think you sound more like The Bebe, than I do.” Now that I think about it, seems only logical that 420 was born in 1970, so was I. It all makes sense now.
Namaste
Rob 420 Griffin
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Cobnobuler
Well-Known Member
...... I made it up. I used to work every day until 4:00 and till I got home and set up, it would always be right around 4:20, thus it became 420 time, and it caught on around the world.
....Anything else you read is bullshit```
....Anything else you read is bullshit```
