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[jrh72582]

You are incorrect.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

He's simply going to call these numbers skewed without providing any of his own, basically disregarding the fact that you're RIGHT!

 

[hanimmal]

Or better yet he will just move onto something completely different and say see I told you so, this monkey has no tail so it is a ape. Thus proving his point.

 

[pinkus]

Or better yet he will just move onto something completely different and say see I told you so, this monkey has no tail so it is a ape. Thus proving his point.

BINGO!

 

[NoDrama]

again free speech is great. that doesn't extend to slander, which calling someone an idiot or moron is. it doesn't help advance anything except bad blood on both sides.

the diversionary tactics of FOX, such as birth certificates and whether or not HIS PARENTS were citizens (not necesary to be prez) only confuse issues and keep people tuned out. THAT is the desire of those in power.

Calling someone idiot or moron is NOT slander. You can't sue someone for calling you names. Slander is when something you falsely said harms their standing in the community or their reputation. If you do it to a very wide audience over TV or radio ( Internet) it is called Libel because of its potential to reach a large audience. If you told ABC news that Pres Obama was caught having sex with 10 year old boys and it was false, then that is Libel, but calling him an Idiotic Moron is only the truth.

 

[pinkus]

Calling someone idiot or moron is NOT slander. You can't sue someone for calling you names. Slander is when something you falsely said harms their standing in the community or their reputation. If you do it to a very wide audience over TV or radio ( Internet) it is called Libel because of its potential to reach a large audience. If you told ABC news that Pres Obama was caught having sex with 10 year old boys and it was false, then that is Libel, but calling him an Idiotic Moron is only the truth.

yep you're right about the def of slander. LIBEL it is then, thanks. I won't take the Libel then. but this is missing the forest for the trees. Calling names is not productive. BTW i'd really like to see you or CJ in debate with Obama. he may be many things, an idiot is NOT one of them.

 

[FilthyFletch]

again free speech is great. that doesn't extend to slander, which calling someone an idiot or moron is. it doesn't help advance anything except bad blood on both sides.

the diversionary tactics of FOX, such as birth certificates and whether or not HIS PARENTS were citizens (not necesary to be prez) only confuse issues and keep people tuned out. THAT is the desire of those in power.

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Fletch: Yes it doesnt pertain to slander but neither was my comment. The part of free speech being what RIU was founded on was what i was address in that mattrer as you cant say things like aerogardens suck or cfl are shit as it offends someone as now adays alot of these new faces seem to be over emotional then they complain and report you as being offended by a general comment then your posts or comment are removed which is censorship ie not free speech which makes his statement about riu and free speech null and void

 

[FilthyFletch]

Oh Obama is an idiot and makes that obvious daily. I got a front row seat and watched him in the Illinois senate. He is not an intelligent man and his presidency so far as proven that. If he is not fed words via a telprompter he babbles and stutters and cant rememeber what he just saidf. He took speech classes to emulate his cadence in the style of JFK and Martin luther King to play on peoples rememberence. But his actions make it very apparent of his lack of intelligence. hell look at who he surroiunds himsself with...dummies and piss poor crooks. If he was smart he would have used good crooks and those who dont leave big firey trails to thier illegal conduct

 

[natrone23]

Oh Obama is an idiot and makes that obvious daily. I got a front row seat and watched him in the Illinois senate. He is not an intelligent man and his presidency so far as proven that. If he is not fed words via a telprompter he babbles and stutters and cant rememeber what he just saidf. He took speech classes to emulate his cadence in the style of JFK and Martin luther King to play on peoples rememberence. But his actions make it very apparent of his lack of intelligence. hell look at who he surroiunds himsself with...dummies and piss poor crooks. If he was smart he would have used good crooks and those who dont leave big firey trails to thier illegal conduct

Says the carpenter that can't spell......lol you guys crack me up

 

[CrackerJax]

So you couldn't figure out what skewed the numbers.... I am not surprised...not surprised at all.

 

[jrh72582]

So you couldn't figure out what skewed the numbers.... I am not surprised...not surprised at all.

Yeah, you're SOOOOOOO smart. If only we could all be as internet smart as you are. Oh boy, am I ashamed of myself for not being as 'smart' as Cracker, the self-proscribed authority in the politics section of a marijuana growing site. Pathetic. Simply pathetic.

The only skill you've proven here is your ability to alienate.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

You are incorrect.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

1

Iceland 2.9 3.9
4

Sweden 3.2 4.0
5

Norway 3.3 4.4
7

Finland 3.7 4.7
8

Czech Republic 3.8 4.8
9

Switzerland 4.1 5.1
11

Belgium 4.2 5.3
12

France 4.2 5.2
13

Spain 4.2 5.3
14

Germany 4.3 5.4
15

Denmark 4.4 5.8
16

Austria 4.4 5.4
17

Australia 4.4 5.6
18

Luxembourg 4.5 6.6
19

Netherlands 4.7 5.9
21

Slovenia 4.8 6.4
22

United Kingdom 4.8 6.0
24

Ireland 4.9 6.2
25

Italy 5.0 6.1
26

Portugal 5.0 6.6
27

New Zealand 5.0 6.4
30

Brunei 5.5 6.7
31

Cyprus 5.9 6.9
32

New Caledonia 6.1 8.7
33

United States 6.3 7.8

It would appear that there are a lot of European Countries missing from that list, and thus it represents a biased usage of statistical information.

I do not see Russia, Georgia, the Ukraine, Greece, Hungary or the handful of Balkan States. There is the neglect of Lithuania, and the other Baltic states.

Hardly the kind of statistics that can disprove CJ's point. He did say Europe, and all I see here is Western Europe with a neglect of Eastern Europe.

Of course, such data would not be comparing apples and oranges, as Eastern Europe better fits into the category of the developing world (after the rape that it suffered under the savage brutality of Stalin.)

 

[fish601]

aaaaaahhhhhh thought obama would do better

 

[hanimmal]

Oh Obama is an idiot and makes that obvious daily. I got a front row seat and watched him in the Illinois senate. He is not an intelligent man and his presidency so far as proven that. If he is not fed words via a telprompter he babbles and stutters and cant rememeber what he just saidf. He took speech classes to emulate his cadence in the style of JFK and Martin luther King to play on peoples rememberence. But his actions make it very apparent of his lack of intelligence. hell look at who he surroiunds himsself with...dummies and piss poor crooks. If he was smart he would have used good crooks and those who dont leave big firey trails to thier illegal conduct

Steven Chu, Ph.D (born February 28, 194,[3] is an American physicist and currently the 12th United States Secretary of Energy. As a scientist, Chu is known for his research in cooling and trapping of atoms with laser light, which won him the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1997.[3] At the time of his appointment as Energy Secretary, he was a professor of physics and molecular and cellular biology at the University of California, Berkeley and the director of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, where his research was concerned primarily with the study of biological systems at the single molecule level.[1] He is a vocal advocate for more research into alternative energy and nuclear power, arguing that a shift away from fossil fuels is essential to combat global warming.[4][5][6]

This dude is a fucking genius. And aside the fact that wiki put in global warming and not climate change, you will find very little to shit talk this guy.

So you couldn't figure out what skewed the numbers.... I am not surprised...not surprised at all.

sigh*

www.google.com, then type in infant mortality rate + conspiracy, scroll a couple threads, find a podcast by some guy, download the 48 minute of liberal conspiracy, listen to some flavor flave that he has for backround........ hear his lip smacking and condesending voice, and you are not considered a infant until you are passed 30 days.

What happens in countries that have really crappy health care, babies die before then.

Thank god got the story so that I can now delete it.

Ok so now I look up some of the other stats that are a little harder to find since there is not a nice clean report from the WHO on it:

In 2002-2004, Oregon’s neonatal mortality rate was nearly 20 • percent lower than the 2004 U.S.13 average (3.8 versus 4.5 neonatal deaths per 1,000 live births, respectively). Although Oregon’s rate has remained consistently below the U.S. average over the last ten years, Oregon has not achieved the Healthy People 2010 target of 2.9 neonatal deaths per 1,000 live births.

Do a little more digging for some UK numbers.

The latest figures from the Confidential Enquiry into Maternal and Child Health (CEMACH) Perinatal Mortality Surveillance Report 2007 show improvements in the stillbirth and neonatal death rates in the UK.
The main findings are:


• The lowest neonatal death rate since 2000 (3.3 per 1, 000 live births).

&#8226; Teenage mothers (< 20 years old) had the highest neonatal mortality rate (4.4 per 1,000 live births) when compared to other maternal age groups. Teenage maternities contributed to 9.5% of the overall neonatal mortality rate in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Researchers suggest that the high rate may be a result of other associated risk factors such as social deprivation and a higher preterm delivery rate amongst this group.

- So the UK has s lower rate, and they are ranked 18th, and their highest death rate of neonatal is teenagers who are still lower than the american average.


Trying to find one from France, but I cannot read any of the ones I am seeing.

Found one from Thailand.

JOURNAL OF THE MEDICAL ASSOCIATION OF THAILAND = CHOTMAIHET THANGPHAET Vol. 92 Issue 5 May 2009

.....and the early neonatal mortality rate was 3.97 per 1,000 live-births

So again lower than America.


Anyway just because something sounds plausable, does not make it right.

Here is a very good article I came across that explains why they count the infant mortality rate and not the other types of still borns. Mostly it comes down to non reliable sources. Women that lose their babies before they are born tend not to get reported, where as once infants are 7 days old they can be tracked much easier. And since they made it out of that first week it tends to let you know they should be healthy enough to live. So if they die it means something went wrong.

Not like that guy said and that means that all the weak are already dead in the other countries so it skews our numbers. Look at that list again, we are 33, so the same logic that guy uses would mean that Croatia is better than us, as is all the next 100 behind us on that list.

Here is a good link: http://www.who.int/making_pregnancy_safer/publications/neonatal.pdf

 

[CrackerJax]

Do I have to do everything????



Low birth weight infants are not counted against the &#8220;live birth&#8221; statistics for many countries reporting low infant mortality rates.
According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing <500g is not considered a living child.
But in the U.S., such very low birth weight babies are considered live births. The mortality rate of such babies &#8212; considered &#8220;unsalvageable&#8221; outside of the U.S. and therefore never alive &#8212; is extraordinarily high; up to 869 per 1,000 in the first month of life alone. This skews U.S. infant mortality statistics.
When Canada briefly registered an increased number of low weight babies previously omitted from statistical reporting, the infant mortality rose from 6.1 per 1,000 to 6.4 per thousand in just one year.
According to research done by Canada&#8217;s Bureau of Reproductive and Child Health, &#8220;Comparisons of infant mortality rates by place and time should be adjusted for the proportion of such live births, especially if the comparisons involve recent years.&#8221;
Norway boasts one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world. But when the main determinant of mortality &#8212; weight at birth &#8212; is factored in, Norway has no better survival rates than the United States.

 

[jrh72582]

Do I have to do everything????



Low birth weight infants are not counted against the “live birth” statistics for many countries reporting low infant mortality rates.
According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing <500g is not considered a living child.
But in the U.S., such very low birth weight babies are considered live births. The mortality rate of such babies — considered “unsalvageable” outside of the U.S. and therefore never alive — is extraordinarily high; up to 869 per 1,000 in the first month of life alone. This skews U.S. infant mortality statistics.
When Canada briefly registered an increased number of low weight babies previously omitted from statistical reporting, the infant mortality rose from 6.1 per 1,000 to 6.4 per thousand in just one year.
According to research done by Canada’s Bureau of Reproductive and Child Health, “Comparisons of infant mortality rates by place and time should be adjusted for the proportion of such live births, especially if the comparisons involve recent years.”
Norway boasts one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world. But when the main determinant of mortality — weight at birth — is factored in, Norway has no better survival rates than the United States.

Laughable. Sincerely laughable. And to think, I used to at least respect your opinion....

Wait a second......what's that......what's that sound?

Oh, it's Cracker tripping over his rationalizations. Are you okay buddy?

 

[what... huh?]

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_inf_mor_rat_tot-health-infant-mortality-rate-total

Nation Master is awesome.

# 1 Angola: 182.31 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 2 Sierra Leone: 156.48 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 3 Afghanistan: 154.67 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 4 Liberia: 143.89 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 5 Niger: 115.42 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 6 Somalia: 110.97 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 7 Mozambique: 107.84 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 8 Mali: 103.83 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 9 Guinea-Bissau: 101.64 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 10 Zambia: 100.96 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 11 Chad: 100.36 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 12 Djibouti: 99.13 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 13 Nigeria: 95.74 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 14 Malawi: 90.55 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 15 Sudan: 86.98 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 16 Burkina Faso: 86.02 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 17 Equatorial Guinea: 83.75 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 18 Rwanda: 83.42 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 19 Congo, Democratic Republic of the: 83.11 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 20 Ethiopia: 82.64 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 21 Central African Republic: 82.13 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 22 Congo, Republic of the: 81.29 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 23 Laos: 79.61 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 24 Lesotho: 78.59 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 25 Western Sahara: 71.13 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 26 Tanzania: 70.46 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 27 Côte d'Ivoire: 69.76 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 28 Swaziland: 69.59 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 29 Gambia, The: 68.72 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 30 Comoros: 68.58 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 31 Guinea: 67.41 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 32 Pakistan: 66.94 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 33 Mauritania: 66.65 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 34 Benin: 66.2 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 35 Uganda: 65.99 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 36 Cameroon: 64.57 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 37 Haiti: 62.33 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 38 Nepal: 62 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 39 Burundi: 60.77 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 40 Senegal: 58.93 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 41 Mayotte: 57.88 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 42 Togo: 57.66 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 43 Bangladesh: 57.45 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 44 Cambodia: 56.59 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 45 Azerbaijan: 56.43 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 46 Yemen: 56.27 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 47 Kenya: 56.01 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 48 Madagascar: 55.59 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 49 Gabon: 52.65 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 50 Ghana: 52.31 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 51 Bhutan: 51.92 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 52 Turkmenistan: 51.81 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 53 Vanuatu: 50.77 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 54 Burma: 49.12 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 55 Bolivia: 49.09 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 56 Papua New Guinea: 46.67 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 57 Namibia: 45.64 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 58 Iraq: 45.43 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 59 South Africa: 45.11 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 60 Kiribati: 44.69 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 61 Eritrea: 44.34 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 62 Botswana: 44.01 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 63 Cape Verde: 42.55 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 64 Tajikistan: 42.31 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 65 East Timor: 41.98 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 66 Mongolia: 41.24 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 67 São Tomé and Príncipe: 38.36 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 68 Morocco: 38.22 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 69 Turkey: 36.98 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 70 Iran: 36.93 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 71 Zimbabwe: 33.86 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 72 India: 32.31 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 73 Kyrgyzstan: 32.3 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 74 Indonesia: 31.04 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 75 Maldives: 30.63 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 76 Guyana: 30.43 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 77 Peru: 29.53 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 78 Guatemala: 28.79 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 79 Algeria: 28.75 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 80 Egypt: 28.36 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 81 Micronesia, Federated States of: 27.03 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 82 Dominican Republic: 26.93 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 83 Syria: 26.78 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 84 Kazakhstan: 26.56 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 85 Marshall Islands: 26.36 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 86 Nicaragua: 25.91 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 87 Paraguay: 25.55 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 88 Samoa: 25.04 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 89 Honduras: 24.61 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 90 Uzbekistan: 24.23 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 91 Romania: 23.73 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 92 Bahamas, The: 23.67 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 93 Belize: 23.65 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 94 Vietnam: 23.61 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 95 Trinidad and Tobago: 23.59 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 96 Tunisia: 23.43 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 97 Brazil: 23.33 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 98 Lebanon: 22.59 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 99 El Salvador: 22.19 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 100 Venezuela: 22.02 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 101 Libya: 21.94 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 102 Korea, North: 21.86 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 103 Ecuador: 21.35 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 104 Philippines: 21.2 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 105 China: 21.16 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 106 Armenia: 20.94 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 107 Solomon Islands: 19.67 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 108 Colombia: 19.51 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 109 Suriname: 19.45 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 110 Albania: 19.31 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
= 111 Sri Lanka: 19.01 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
= 111 Mexico: 19.01 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 113 Gaza Strip: 19 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 114 Tuvalu: 18.97 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 115 Bulgaria: 18.51 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 116 Saint Helena: 18.31 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 117 Thailand: 18.23 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 118 Antigua and Barbuda: 17.49 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 119 Oman: 17.45 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 120 Georgia: 16.78 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 121 West Bank: 16.51 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 122 Montserrat: 16.46 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 123 Malaysia: 16.39 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 124 Bahrain: 15.64 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
= 125 Jamaica: 15.57 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
= 125 Jordan: 15.57 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 127 British Virgin Islands: 15.2 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 128 Seychelles: 14.36 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 129 Turks and Caicos Islands: 14.35 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 130 Saint Kitts and Nevis: 14.34 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 131 Aruba: 14.26 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 132 Dominica: 14.12 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 133 Saint Lucia: 13.8 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 134 Palau: 13.69 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 135 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines: 13.62 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 136 Grenada: 13.58 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 137 Moldova: 13.5 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 138 Panama: 13.4 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 139 United Arab Emirates: 13.11 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 140 Qatar: 13.09 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 141 Serbia and Montenegro: 12.89 deaths/1,000 live births 2005
# 142 Brunei: 12.69 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 143 Mauritius: 12.56 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 144 Saudi Arabia: 11.94 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
= 145 Fiji: 11.88 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
= 145 Tonga: 11.88 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 147 Argentina: 11.78 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 148 French Guiana: 11.76 deaths/1,000 live births 2006
# 149 Uruguay: 11.66 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 150 Greenland: 11.2 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 151 Barbados: 11.05 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 152 Russia: 10.81 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 153 American Samoa: 10.46 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 154 Nauru: 9.43 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 155 Netherlands Antilles: 9.36 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 156 Bosnia and Herzegovina: 9.34 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 157 Macedonia, Republic of: 9.27 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 158 Ukraine: 9.23 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 159 Kuwait: 9.22 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 160 Costa Rica: 9.01 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 161 Latvia: 8.96 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 162 Puerto Rico: 8.65 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 163 Guadeloupe: 8.41 deaths/1,000 live births 2006
# 164 Hungary: 8.03 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 165 Chile: 7.9 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 166 Bermuda: 7.87 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 167 Virgin Islands: 7.72 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 168 French Polynesia: 7.7 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 169 Réunion: 7.63 deaths/1,000 live births 2006
# 170 Estonia: 7.45 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 171 New Caledonia: 7.19 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 172 Cayman Islands: 7.1 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 173 Saint Pierre and Miquelon: 7.04 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 174 Slovakia: 6.98 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 175 Martinique: 6.95 deaths/1,000 live births 2006
# 176 Poland: 6.93 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 177 Cyprus: 6.75 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 178 Northern Mariana Islands: 6.72 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 179 Lithuania: 6.57 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 180 Guam: 6.55 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 181 Belarus: 6.53 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 182 Croatia: 6.49 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 183 Faroe Islands: 6.46 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 185 United States: 6.3 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 186 Cuba: 5.93 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 187 Man, Isle of: 5.62 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 188 Italy: 5.61 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 189 Taiwan: 5.45 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 190 San Marino: 5.44 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 191 Greece: 5.25 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 192 Monaco: 5.18 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 193 Ireland: 5.14 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 194 Canada: 5.08 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 195 Jersey: 5.01 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 196 New Zealand: 4.99 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 197 United Kingdom: 4.93 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 198 Gibraltar: 4.91 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 199 Portugal: 4.85 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 200 Australia: 4.82 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 201 Netherlands: 4.81 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 202 Luxembourg: 4.62 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 203 Guernsey: 4.53 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 204 Liechtenstein: 4.52 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 205 Belgium: 4.5 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 206 Austria: 4.48 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 207 Denmark: 4.4 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 208 Slovenia: 4.3 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 209 Korea, South: 4.29 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 210 Israel: 4.28 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 211 Spain: 4.26 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 212 Switzerland: 4.23 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 213 Germany: 4.03 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 214 Czech Republic: 3.83 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 215 Malta: 3.79 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 216 Andorra: 3.68 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 217 Norway: 3.61 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 218 Anguilla: 3.54 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 219 Finland: 3.5 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 220 France: 3.36 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 221 Iceland: 3.25 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 222 Macau: 3.23 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 223 Hong Kong: 2.93 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 224 Japan: 2.8 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 225 Sweden: 2.75 deaths/1,000 live births 2008
# 226 Singapore: 2.3 deaths/1,000 live births 2008

Weighted average: 31.2 deaths/1,000 live births


Historical countries, unions or other regions: European Union 6.38 deaths/1,000 live births


We are just about even with the EU.

 

[CrackerJax]

Laughable. Sincerely laughable. And to think, I used to at least respect your opinion....

Wait a second......what's that......what's that sound?

Oh, it's Cracker tripping over his rationalizations. Are you okay buddy?

What part don't you understand? i can explain it to you ....slowly.

Since the United States counts many more as "born"&"alive" the numbers seem worse than they are. Conversely, if the EU actually "counted" <500gram babies as alive, their numbers would worsen.

There is a cold chill in that the EU doesn't count the ,500g babies as "alive". Back to socialized medical again....

USA....save that baby. EU... trashbin.

So the FACT that the EU uses a different way of counting...... is somehow confusing to you?

 

[Big P]

America Fuck Yeah!!


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  Arizona law has nothing in the books regulating assault rifles
  Secret Service: Man considered no threat to president, who was nearby
• Man carrying rifle: "I think that people need to get out and do it more"

updated 1:15 a.m. EDT, Tue August 18, 2009

PHOENIX, Arizona (CNN) -- A man toting an assault rifle was among a dozen protesters carrying weapons while demonstrating outside President Obama's speech to veterans on Monday, but no laws were broken. It was the second instance in recent days in which weapons have been seen near presidential events.

A man is shown legally carrying a rifle at a protest against President Obama on Monday in Phoenix, Arizona.


Video from the protest in Phoenix, Arizona, shows the man standing with other protesters, with the rifle slung over his right shoulder.
Phoenix police said authorities monitored about a dozen people carrying weapons while peacefully demonstrating.

"It was a group interested in exercising the right to bear arms," police spokesman Sgt. Andy Hill said.

Arizona law has nothing in the books regulating assault rifles, and only requires permits for carrying concealed weapons. So despite the man's proximity to the president, there were no charges or arrests to be made. Hill said officers explained the law to some people who were upset about the presence of weapons at the protest.

Watch the rifle being legally carried at rally »

"I come from another state where 'open carry' is legal, but no one does it, so the police don't really know about it and they harass people, arrest people falsely," the man, who wasn't identified, said in an interview aired by CNN affiliate KNVX. "I think that people need to get out and do it more so that they get kind of conditioned to it."

Gun-toting protesters have demonstrated around the president before. Last week, a man protesting outside Obama's town hall meeting in New Hampshire had a gun strapped to his thigh. That state also doesn't require a license for open carry.

U.S. Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan acknowledged the incidents in New Hampshire and Arizona, but said he was not aware of any other recent events where protesters attended with open weapons. He said there was no indication that anyone had organized the incidents.
Asked whether the individuals carrying weapons jeopardized the safety of the president, Donovan said, "Of course not."

The individuals would never have gotten in close proximity to the president, regardless of any state laws on openly carrying weapons, he said. A venue is considered a federal site when the Secret Service is protecting the president and weapons are not allowed on a federal site, he added.

In both instances, the men carrying weapons were outside the venues where Obama was speaking.

"We pay attention to this obviously ... to someone with a firearm when they open carry even when they are within state law," Donovan said. "We work with our law enforcement counterparts to make sure laws and regulations in their states are enforced." E-mail to a friend

 

[hanimmal]

Do I have to do everything????

I love that you recently are told something and then you pretend that it is your own hrd work and knowledge that this comes from. How am I supposed to know what your being told on a day by day basis?

http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=6219&type=0

Low birthweight is the primary risk factor for infant mortality and most of the decline in neonatal mortality (deaths of infants less than 28 days old) in the United States since 1970 can be attributed to increased rates of survival among low-birthweight newborns. Indeed, comparisons with countries for which data are available suggest that low birthweight newborns have better chances of survival in the United States than elsewhere. The U.S. infant mortality problem arises primarily because of its birthweight distribution; relatively more infants are born at low birthweight in the United States than in most other industrialized countries. Unfortunately, little progress has been made in reducing U.S. low birthweight rates, which would further improve infant mortality rates.

So we have an issue with low birth weights that other industrialized nations don't have. And we still have a higher neonatal death rate than them.

Cut and pasted your words in google and found that article was cut and pasted from about a dozen different ones.

And came across this on one of them:

So this helps us see we are number 1! In Perinatal, maternal, and congenital condition, surgical cond. and medical errors, infectious diseases among men and women.


Anyway so the writer goes onto say:

Let&#8217;s take the data for men. The study makes a big point of saying that France is much better than the US, so we will use those two countries. In 2003, France has an "amenable disease" death rate 56 points lower than the US. But we can see that almost this whole gap, or 42 points of it, comes from heart and circulatory diseases. The incidence of these diseases are highly related to diet and lifestyle. In fact, it is well established that the US has a comparatively high incidence rate of these diseases, much higher than France. This makes it entirely possible that this mortality difference is entirely due to lifestyle differences and disease incidence rates rather than the relative merits of health care systems. In fact, this study is close to meaningless. If they really wanted to make a point about the quality of health care systems, they would compare them on relative mortality with a denominator of the disease incidence rate, not a denominator of total population.

So we have the number one health system because we are so unhealthy as a nation?

What... Huh? had a great thread where he talked about the 2nd hand smoke report and how it was basically written before the science was done. This is exactly what this guy wants done. He does not want any numbers to be used because it could be that people are more healthy, which means that very few numbers would be done outside of medical procedures. But that would only be looking at half the medical field.

So in essence handicap the report so that it can be skewed to Americas favor. Here we treat the issues after they arise, so are much better at reactive care, there they are far better at preventative care and so the system is not as taxed and they are able to give the care needed and not have as taxed a system. This way when people have issues it is far more serious and deadly. And not like America where we are extremely unhealthy and therefore have many unecessary procedures that are completely survivable, that never would have gotten as bad in other countries.

So you are saying that the actual things like surgery may be better here, and that indeed may be the case. But by that point the medical system has already failed.



That is the problem that you fail to see, sure the numbers can be skewn to show us being the best, but as a whole our system is seriously flawed because we do not do enough to stop the problems before they start.

 

[Big P]

ok ok ok guys lets back it up like 1000 steps



This statment will blow all arguments out of the water and shut the whole thing down


"The Government is trying to add 40 Million additional people on Americas healthcare rolls. But they havnt proposed to add any new doctors!!?"



"Are they going to ration the care?"

Answer: YES

are they lieing to you when they say they will not going to ration care?


YES

my 4 year old daughter could figure this one out,


I hate liers. I hate Obama.



how about we add 4 more people into the hottub.

Wont it get too crowded?

no no no we promise there will be no crowding

thank god i was worried for a min. so we are getting a bigger hottub?


aaaaa, not exactly.





the dirty little secrect on top of this autrocity is that 12 million of that 40 million are illigal immigrants!!!!!!

thats more than 25% percent of the people they want to add to the line are not even fucking US nationals!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why add them you say??????


tell help get these greedy bloodsuckers get re-elected ofcoarse


there is no other benifit to it than that.


so keep bendin over if you want


im not stupid



but im with stupid unfortunatly



hannimal I give you and A for effort and an A for being not backing down


but I fail you for being wrong. and not realizing it when somone is trying to put his dick up your ass

cuz thats what they are trying to do to us