Diggitydank's second DWC grow (PPP x Sour Diesel)

[howak47]

Fuck yeah it's a good price. That local guy can eat a dick!

hahahahah you got dat right hahahah

 

[diggitydank420]

I'll still buy nutes and media there... prices are just as much as HTG for those.

 

[GypsyBush]

High...

Just read through...

couple of things...

I'm planning on doing a perpetual SOG using (3) 3 gal tubs with 6 plants each. Most likely they will veg for about 10-14 days after initial rooting and then be sent to flower. Flowering will progress on a 9-week schedule. 6 new clones every three weeks.

With a 600w HPS (coming soon) I think I could get 6-8oz. every three weeks. Once it's all dialed in I could be looking at 10-12oz. every three weeks.

What does everyone else think?

You would need to get around 1.5~1.7 grams per watt...

Doable.. but it takes time to get there..

Those kind of numbers are usually achieved with lots of small plants crammed together... SOG style or VERT...

I'm getting the Digital Greenhouse 600W digital ballast with a cooltube, some 6" ducting, and a 6" booster fan to cool the light (hope it's enough).

All that for under $320 with shipping. I would have paid $324 with tax for just the ballast at the local hydro shop.

Ditch that fan....

That fan has no place in your op...

MAYBE if you had a 250w HPS...

Get yourself a real fan bro...

DO NOT waste your money on that fan.. please...

The light rocks... I got two of those HTG 600s... I love them...

But you need a 6" centrifugal fan/filter.. trust me...

You didn't skimp on the light.. don;t skimp on the fan...

It will only give YOU heat issues...


Other than that... seems you are doing hunky dory...

Cheers..

 

[diggitydank420]

So, Gypsy, what you're telling me is that I'm gonna have to spend another $150+ to cool this thing?

 

[(Butters)]

High...

Just read through...

couple of things...



You would need to get around 1.5~1.7 grams per watt...

Doable.. but it takes time to get there..

Those kind of numbers are usually achieved with lots of small plants crammed together... SOG style or VERT...







Ditch that fan....

That fan has no place in your op...

MAYBE if you had a 250w HPS...

Get yourself a real fan bro...

DO NOT waste your money on that fan.. please...

The light rocks... I got two of those HTG 600s... I love them...

But you need a 6" centrifugal fan/filter.. trust me...

You didn't skimp on the light.. don;t skimp on the fan...

It will only give YOU heat issues...


Other than that... seems you are doing hunky dory...

Cheers..

This is by far the stupidest question I have ever asked here but for some reason I'm stumped.

How are you calculating the grams/watt in your post?

He's looking at 6-8 oz, which comes to 170g - 226g (1 ounce = 28.3495231 grams...right?)


And then 170g to 226g/ 600 watts...correct?

I keep getting his range at 0.28 g/watt to 0.37 g/watt

Okay, what piece did I royally f up on?

 

[diggitydank420]

You missed the fact that I will have only 1/3 of total grow space harvested at one time.

 

[(Butters)]

Oh. So we're only looking at 200 watts then per tub? This would bring it to 0.85 g/watt to 1.13 g/watt.

Still not seeing how he got the 1.5g- 1.7 g/watt value.

I have a feeling that I'm missing part of the formula he is using here.

 

[GypsyBush]

So, Gypsy, what you're telling me is that I'm gonna have to spend another $150+ to cool this thing?

It has been my personal experience, and just about everyone that I have seen use that style of fan that with a big light, that it's not enough...

Go with what you know bro....

But axial fans really have no place in a 600w op...

Just my opinion though...

If I were you I'd serach around the 600w journals and see who's using one with what success..

But I would not waste my money again...

 

[GypsyBush]

Oh. So we're only looking at 200 watts then per tub? This would bring it to 0.85 g/watt to 1.13 g/watt.

Still not seeing how he got the 1.5g- 1.7 g/watt value.

I have a feeling that I'm missing part of the formula he is using here.

You are looking at his low estimate..

I went with his high estimate...

6 oz every 3 weeks is the same as 18 oz every 9 weeks...

12 oz every 3 weeks is the same as 36 oz every 9 weeks..

18oz is 510g...

but...

36 oz is 1,020 g

And that is a little harder to achieve...

It's do-able... but it's not easy...

...


I am not trying to rain on anyone's parade...

I am confident it can be done...

It;s just not as easily done as it is said...

 

[(Butters)]

You are looking at his low estimate..

I went with his high estimate...

Completely forgot that his long term goal was for 10-12oz every 3 weeks.

Kept doing the math of the 6-8 oz goal instead. Oops!

As for your potential yield, I am very curious to see how the 2 weeks veg time would effect your yield per plant as opposed to going 12/12 directly from rooted clone. With 6 growing in those 3 gallon tubs, I imagine they're gonna be packed in pretty tightly eh?

Can't wait to see this all develop man.

And thanks for the clarification Gypsy.

I'm in the same boat as you with the ventiallation fans Diggity. Those high velocity fans are a small fortune just for ventillation.

One option I was considering is using just a regular cheapo fan and adapting it to work with the ducting (type of fan I am thinking of is in pic below).

I was thinking of using alot of duct tape to connect a fan like this to the ducting in order to form an airtight seal.

I have no idea how many cfm's these regular fans pull though so I'm not sure about the appropriateness of it's power given the grow space.

But those HV fans are the cost equivalent of buying another HID light for goodness sakes. Any $ saving opportunities that will work appear to be well worth it.

 

[GypsyBush]

Search for stanley blower mods...

They are about $50 bit the are LOUD...

 

[GypsyBush]

I am gonna paste and copy a discussion from another thread....

I helps illustrate why some of us believe that a single cola SOG can only be beat by a VERT single cola SOG...

Sorry for the hijack...

Is lollipoping worth it? I just grow out my full clones so it is like little plant's! Could someone explain how to do it and when should I trim them down?

first off........fdd said gypsy had a "very nice grow" everyone. so, look out for the ego trip.

it's what happened to me! al was all.....polishin my balls one day and it went straight to my head. hell i'm still recovering


gypsy will dig up pics for you if he feels like it. and i trim at 2 weeks and again at 4 weeks. bottom 1/3-ish is gone and anything that tries to grow out and away from the mainstalk gets "dealt with, tuite suite"

My buddy claims to like the EXTRA ounce or so he gets by NOT PRUNING...

I argue with him... but I have never been able to prove to him that I get that ounce up top...

He believes that I would get what I get PLUS the fluff... I disagree...

As for how and when...

I use Al B. Fuct's Method...

Trim the lower 3rd and anything that grows more than one inch... no branches allowed... at cloning and again by week 2 or 3 of 12/12...

Some strains do really really well... some not...

Bugs really knows this stuff.. he's experimented quite a bit with one vs the other... if I am not mistaken...

In all honesty... I think it is a preference of styles.. what works better with YOUR hand...

But I am a FIRM BELIEVER that buds grown in the shade are of lower quality/weight...

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!! sing it from the mountaintops

Yeah... but you started by being all WEED BARON and shit...

Here I am .. a year later and still calling myself a newb... notice a difference????

Plus... only I know how scared I am of killing those poor plants...

Everyday I wake up expecting DOOM AND GLOOM..

LUCK alone has made that grow possible...

Any skills I claim... have to be limited to reading the pH and PPM gage on the dashboard...




Wish more people had a key to AL's galleries....

this from....


https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/94811-al-b-faqt.html



















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Yeah.. like he says...

 

[diggitydank420]

Gypsy... I was only planning to use that one booster fan to cool the HPS, not for ventilation. I was going to get a can-fan/filter combo to take care of that. Is that still a no-go? The reason I think that it may work is that I'll only have about 6 feet of total ducting for that light.

 

[diggitydank420]

Thanks for that tip on "stanley blower mods" I have seen those at wally world before. I guess that could be an option.

 

[GypsyBush]

The cooltube works with airflow...

I mean... one of thise fans will work better than none...

But you want something that can hold AT LEAST 150 cfm, after all the penalties from turbulence in the ducting, turns, length of the duct etc...

Those in duct boosters are meant to aid in long ducts, not as the primary driving force...

They are actually rated for the max cfm they allow to pass through them without resistance...

They just got no guts... you will not be happy...

But bro.. if YOU want to try it... go for it.. I guess you can always return it to HTG if it doesn't work...

But I say that the stanley blower is a much better "cheaper" option...

but boy! they are LOUD... almost like a vaccum cleaner...

 

[diggitydank420]

Hmm.... I wonder about using one of those fan-speed controllers? Perhaps just a voltage reducer to kick the sound level down. This thing is in my bedroom after all.

 

[GypsyBush]

it's got 3 settings...

and speed controllers are GREAT!!! but do not use a light bulb dimmer...

get the right stuff...

another thing that you can do is build a muffle box around the fan...

Just gotta make sure it doesn't get too hot...

And they're not THAT loud that you can;t stand it.. but... they were not designed to be quite.. just to move air.. and lots of it..


That would be my choice.. and eventually get a real 4" fan ( I suggested 6" before cause I thought something else) .. and have the stanley as a back up...

here are some of the info I could see right off the bat...

hope this helps..

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/69842-home-cheapo-blower.html

Another note on the Stanley fan that I got

It's a variable 3 speed, high med lo settings

on low eats 60 watts .48 amps and blows 190 cfm
Medium 68 watts .56 amps and 260 cfm
High setting 70 watts .69 amps and 310 cfm

I've found that people have modified them for growing intake is 5" and the exhaust is a rectangle which can be modded to work

some even say that it can cool three 1,000 watt hps's but it is better suited for two

Here's some pics of what people have done with it

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/506/20660setup_001.jpg

Yes, I left the window open a bit & covered it with r max sheeting. The blower draws from the window. pushes thru 6" duct. It's pushing air thru 3, 1K hydrofarm hoods. Then exhausts to the attic. The blower cools very well on 2 lights, the 3rd is a bit much but adequate. I can easily leave my hand on the 3rd light which is fairly warm but not hot at all. I installed the vents in these old model hydrofarm hoods and isn't the most efficient design by far.
IMHO a stanley blower could easily cool two of the newer vented 1K hoods. Cool tubes would be even better.
Dopest, here is a better pic for You

now....

just to be fair...


here is the one drwing that says I am wrong...

This dude believes in those booster fans...

I don't... maybe possibly, IF the temps outside the op are cool, and the ducting is straight and rigid... smooth as to not cause turbulence... and that is a maybe in my book...

But add a bend, or texture to the duct or warm temps to begin with... and I think it will flop..

I rather MAKE SURE ai will not have issues... even on the hot days...

But here is his drawing...

 

[GypsyBush]

and just as a reference...

I cooled my single 600 in my tent with a 4" 170cfm centrifugal... never had trouble...

Then I cooled 3x 600W with a 6" 440cfm centrifugal...

 

[diggitydank420]

Thanks for all the options, Gypsy. They are nice to have. I'd rep you, but I need to spread some love before!

 

[GypsyBush]

no worries...

I hope I didn't clog your thread too bad...

Let me know if you want me to delete some of that crap....