There Is No Devil.
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Brazko
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True dat... Not knowing is Hard, Choosing to ignore & dismiss is Harder.
Religion/spirituality isn't easy, Believing in fairytales tho' sure is
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PadawanBater
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Of course, I'm wrong about plenty of things. Are you willing to change something you believe to be true if real life evidence suggests otherwise?
The natural laws we see everyday could have created the universe, I don't see why not.
How do you explain redshift? Every galaxy in the universe expanding away from eachother, suggesting that they were, at one point, all together in the same point?
fish601
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are you willing to change something you believe to be true if evidence suggest otherwise?
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Isaiah 42 Read This Chapter[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:[/FONT]
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PadawanBater
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Haven't you ever heard you can't define a word with that same word? The same thing goes for the bible, you can't use the bible to prove Christianity.
Again, how do you explain redshift?
- nobody on earth can come back to life once they are dead, that is impossible
- people do not live over 500 years old
- snakes do not talk
- the earth was never flooded by water
- descending from the same two people would present problems in reproduction and genetics within our species, like how if brother and sister have a child, there are risks of abnormalities and deformities
- people do not walk on water
- the earth is not a circle
- there is nothing immoral about being homosexual
- dinosaurs
- chromosome #2
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fish601
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go to yahoo.com type in how do christians explain redshift.. if you really wanted to know the answer you would of done that alrdy.
I know someone that was dead for a few mins and came back to life but i know what your talking about and if you did believe in a god that wouldnt be imposible...neither would walking on water, parting the red sea, flooding the earth (which is easily proven to be true)
along with descending from the same two people having kids ( easily proven )
onlything new to me in that list is chromosome #2 i will check that out.
did u just take some guys word for all of that? alot of that is nonsence
i can copy and paste stuff that can make evolution or big bang theory look dumb but i havent really researched it all, have you or is it just fun to paste it here?
pfft chromosome 2 I suspect you are aware that humans have 46 chromosomes and tobacco has 48. And amoebas have 50. And yet the evolution textbooks constantly say we came from an amoeba-like creature and yet they have already got more chromosomes than we do. They're ahead of us, not behind us. The truth of the matter is, the chimpanzee has the same number of chromosomes as the tobacco plant. They both have more than humans have. So the similarity would break down right there. And the most complex creature in the world, of course, would be the fern. Theyve got 480 chromosomes. So this idea is ridiculous.
CrackerJax
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deep in the rabbit hole u r. no light i'm afraid.
fish601
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yeah but if your right i win
CrackerJax
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I just can't base my life on something with infinitesimally low odds. I'll stick with "it is unknown what happens when ppl die, if anything."
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PadawanBater
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Sir, I asked how you explain redshift, not how other Christians explain it. The fact that as galaxies move away from us, the light coming from them when viewed from the earth moves further into the red end of the light spectrum, the farther away, the faster they go, all of them, always. The universe is expanding at an exponential rate, this is a fact. It is not known yet if there is enough dark energy/dark matter repelling everything away from eachother or if there is enough gravity to counteract the expansion. That's the main idea behind it. How do you explain that if the universe is static or infinite?
The only explination that makes any sense is that all the matter and energy that is now expanding, was once much smaller. How small? I don't know. Think of it like a movie that's on rewind, you see the universe as it is, then as you rewind it, it gets smaller and smaller and finally at the beginning of the tape, it's a single point. It's that simple.
Jesus... 3 days.. you can't be dead for 3 days then come back to life. That is impossible.
Yes, descending from two people, your parents is proven, that happens, you're right... But re read what I said.
Everyone descending from the same two people. That would be like your parents having you and your sister, then you and your sister having multiple kids, then those kids having multiple kids, all through incest. Human genes do not work this way, we need diversity to ensure our immune systems are stronger and better able to fight more diseases and infections. Without diversity, you get abnormalities and deformities. Also, how do you explain such diversity amongst our species? We've got black people, white people, Mexicans, Asians, Europeans.. tons of different people all different shapes, sizes, and colors... How do you explain this if not through evolution, with only the time frame of 10,000 years? (give or take..)
Well, that doesn't surprise me, you haven't researched the big bang theory or evolution at all.. Most people who have never heard much about it ignorantly disregard it as false because of their religious indoctrination... I know shit laods about both theories, and I love talking about them, so if you have any questions I'd be happy to answer them!
Chromosome #2 is extremely important buddy. It is the chromosome that the creationists were asking for before it was found, it's the chromosome that PROVES without a shadow of a doubt that there is a link between modern day homo sapiens and our ancient ape like relatives.
Wherever you got that paragraph trying to debunk the data, the author apparently figured that the number of chromosomes is what indicates an organisms complexity... which is not the case at all... Which is the innitial claim that 'debunks' the data in the first place... Obviously the number of chromosomes is NOT what determines an organisms complexity, and I'm shocked the guy who wrote that, and you after reading it, wouldn't figure that out.
More evidence in support of the theory of evolution, I'll break down the ancestors, right from Wiki for you. We have discovered all these skeletons, and they are all without a doubt ancestors to modern day homo sapiens;
Ardipithecus (5.5 - 4.4 million years ago)
kadabba
ramidus
Australopithecus (4 - 2 million years ago)
anamensis
afarensis
africanus
bahrelghazali
garhi
Kenyanthropus (3 - 2.7 million years ago)
platyops
Paranthropus (3 - 1.2 million years ago)
aethiopicus
boisei
robustus
Homo (2 million years ago - present)
habilis (South and East Africa, large brains, made stone tools, 2.2 - 1.6 million years ago)
rudolfensis (1.9 million years ago, out of Kenya)
ergaster (1.9 - 1.4 million years ago, East and South Africa)
georgicus (1.8 million years ago, Republic of Georgia)
antecessor (1.2 - 0.8 million years ago, out of Spain)
cepranensis (0.9 - 0.8 million years ago, Italy)
erectus (1.4 - 0.2 million years ago, Africa, Eurasia)
heidelbergensis (0.6 - 0.35 million years ago, Europe, Africa, China)
rhodesiensis (300,000 - 125,000 years ago)
neanderthalensis (250,000 - 30,000 years ago)
sapiens idaltu (0.16 - 0.15 million years ago, Ethiopia)
florensis (0.10 - 0.012 million years ago, Indonesia)
sapiens (250,000 years ago - present)
fish601
Active Member
how hard would it be to raise someone from the dead if you created earth?
Brazko
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Deep, Very Deep... It's Not his fault CJ, he's lost and has been misled horribly, Eventually in time it will piece to gether, if not in this lifetime, maybe the next..... Instead of getting rid of religion, which is impossible, I think we should start taxing the church, That will start to curb all the pretenders and phoneys, and Predators Away.....All the Mind Fuk camps may start shutting down as well
Brazko
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Brazko
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Yeah, I wonder if the Church is feeling the REcession....If shit gets real hard, I've never considered it, but hey God's Will is God's Will
mexiblunt
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Good... partners then?
I'm not religious but where I live has got to be one the highest per capita churches to people ratio ever(really have no idea). Always room for another. But my town is small. like maybe pushing 4500 now. I could go to a different church every sunday of the year just in my town alone. We have at least 15-18 christian churches, 1 Jehovah I know of, 1 Lutheran. I may be out a few either way.
People are always changing churches around here. example... Man and woman get divorced (frowned upon to begin with) the man finds a new woman and want to get married. His church people don't believe that's right. He changes to a different church gets married.
I want to build a new house. A few people I know have a really good construction company but they go to a different church. I think I'll join that church for a while. They will cut me a "deal" plus they can work on sunday when they want, I wont tell anyone.
End Rant....
I'm not religious but where I live has got to be one the highest per capita churches to people ratio ever(really have no idea). Always room for another. But my town is small. like maybe pushing 4500 now. I could go to a different church every sunday of the year just in my town alone. We have at least 15-18 christian churches, 1 Jehovah I know of, 1 Lutheran. I may be out a few either way.
People are always changing churches around here. example... Man and woman get divorced (frowned upon to begin with) the man finds a new woman and want to get married. His church people don't believe that's right. He changes to a different church gets married.
I want to build a new house. A few people I know have a really good construction company but they go to a different church. I think I'll join that church for a while. They will cut me a "deal" plus they can work on sunday when they want, I wont tell anyone.
End Rant....
fish601
Active Member
you would live in ms then?
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