force flower early

dd900

dd900

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My first post ever anywhere... So while waiting for my wonderful outdoor crop to finish i decided to try and grow some up real quick like indoors. I have heard many bad things about forcing plants to flower early, but from what i can see these little ones are doing fine. As soon as they came out of the dirt i hit them with 24 hours of light from 4 40 watt HO flourecent lights for about two weeks. I am now almost on my second week of 12/12 under a 400 watt HPS they showed sex and i lost one out of three. i was just looking for a little feedback from anyone familiar with forcing plants to flower early. tips, hints what have you, anything would be much apreciated. the attached pics are one right before changing light cycle and two about a week into 12/12.
 

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vandewalle

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umm, when you grow indoors you decide when to make your plants flower, i mean, there is an entire thought in motion of people that force 12/12 right from seeds, i really dont know what you are talking about though.
 
dd900

dd900

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could you possibly direct me to that thought in motion...? i have heard that forcing plants to flower before they are ready could cause problems, and i was merely looking for some aid or knowledge in that specific area and as u say that knowledge does exist here somewhere... now where to find it?
 
dd900

dd900

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here is another pics of my plants that vegged for 2 wks... they are now on their 2nd wk of 12\12 and finally some flowers are starting to form. I will keep this post updated till the end
 

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KP2

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vandewalle said:
umm, when you grow indoors you decide when to make your plants flower, i mean, there is an entire thought in motion of people that force 12/12 right from seeds, i really dont know what you are talking about though.
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even seeds started on 12/12 will veg for a few or several weeks before they begin to flower. you wouldn't count your flowering period until the plants actually start to flower. ie, if you had a 8 week strain and you force flower before the plants are mature, the time that it takes for the plants to mature is subtracted from the total length of time in flower. so if you start seeds in the flower room and they don't begin to flower for 4 weeks, and finish at 14 weeks, the plants are 10 weekers, not 14.

make sense?
 
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MrKushman

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i was pretty much under the impression that in some form or another you are always deciding when your plants flower when gorwn indoor...? I mean i veg 2 weeks and flip it to a 12/12 and in a week or so i have bud sites popping up. Is that what you are talking about?
 
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KP2

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MrKushman said:
i was pretty much under the impression that in some form or another you are always deciding when your plants flower when gorwn indoor...? I mean i veg 2 weeks and flip it to a 12/12 and in a week or so i have bud sites popping up. Is that what you are talking about?
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that's what i'm talking about. mature plants will begin to flower in the first night cycle. these plants will have preflowers. plants with no preflowers are not mature, and will need to mature before they begin to flower. this is accelerated by lighting cycle, but they still veg in the flower room until they are mature.
 
dd900

dd900

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MrKushman said:
i was pretty much under the impression that in some form or another you are always deciding when your plants flower when gorwn indoor...? I mean i veg 2 weeks and flip it to a 12/12 and in a week or so i have bud sites popping up. Is that what you are talking about?
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Yeah thats what i meant... bud sites like crazy i will put up a more detailed pic later to show them off
 
dd900

dd900

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usually when i try to guess my harvest day i always allow two weeks for transition into the flower stage, but this plant triggered a little faster than most my other plants have before... thanks for the feed back
 
dd900

dd900

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well not many people paying attention but like i said i will update this post to the end. Here are more pics of the plants i vegged for 2wks. They kind of look like one big mutant plant now (lots of bending)... And one is a couple of weeks behind the other
 

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dd900

dd900

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Ok i have read all the threads now about plant plant problems, but my problem is i have it narrowed down to a few culprits but i just cant make a final judgement. Leaves are cupping and some have a little burn on the tips still a good green color to the leaves, no spots, no bugs... Im thinking pH, water, or heat causing the problem... but alas i am no pro yet so please if any one feels like helping a fellow grower out +reps

these plants vegged for two weeks
pics taken on 34th day of flowering
grown in a 5 gal bucket
1\2 and 1\2 mix of miracle grow and dirt from under a 3 year old leaf pile (only leaves)
400w HPS
feeding a solution of Jack's African Violet Food (37-12-17) or something very close to that (lights are off cant go read container) and super thrive.
watering only one per week because of container size, watering enough so that fresh water drips out the bottom

Dont know what other info i can give. I just want to figure this out. I mostly grow outdoors and have never encountered this problem before even on first indoor grows. this is my third indoor ------ nutes are actually 12-36-14
 
dd900

dd900

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Im sorry i had this wrote wrong (Jack's African Violet Food (37-12-17)) its actually 12-36-14... I was high and i just got out of work so i was tired... thanks 4 in advance im probably about to do a flush... i just dont like those cupped leaves... and always a few more burned tips (usually one leaf) every day
 
dd900

dd900

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here they are... starting to look nice but still having some minor probs. ordered a pH tester so maybe ill find something out... that sativa (pic 2) is taking forever but i bet it will be good
 

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thebigragu25

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They dont look too bad to be honest- especially considering you flowered them so early. Ive never heard of anyone doing that before- pretty cool.



As for the leaf problems you mentioned, are you by chance using compost/leaves created from an oak tree? Oak trees tend to be acidic, and can burn your plant. Miracle gro can be harsh too, but from the pics I saw they dont look bad.



Subscribed- GOOD LUCK!!:peace:
 
dd900

dd900

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thebigragu25 said:
As for the leaf problems you mentioned, are you by chance using compost/leaves created from an oak tree? Oak trees tend to be acidic, and can burn your plant.
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Dude you are a F-ing genius!!!! Thats exactly it... the leaves are from oak trees... so could you tell me some ways to maybe reduce the amount of acid in the soil? I am low on cash so cheap solutions would be best but, ill spend the money if i can afford it...
 
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RiskyFart

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Baking soda will make it more alkaline. Maybe mix some in with the water?

I've used baking soda for my hydro stuff, but I'm not sure what the best thing for soil is.

EDIT: baking soda, not powder.
 
thebigragu25

thebigragu25

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Oak tree- that will do it. The best advice I was ever given was to use Fox Farm soil... Ive tried manure/pearlite mixes, miracle gro, etc etc.. NOTHING has worked the way fox farm has.


Also its awesome for saving a plants life- Ive done it more than once. trust me!



GL and keep us posted bro :peace:
 
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