Obama's Certificate of Live Birth...

[CrackerJax]

The live Birth is not a real birth certificate and just about anyone could get one in Hawaii back in the day before they closed that loophole. Feel free to read up on it.

If you are not even going to bother to inform yourself properly....why bother posting. I'm tired of correcting you.

 

[fdd2blk]

The live Birth is not a real birth certificate and just about anyone could get one in Hawaii back in the day before they closed that loophole. Feel free to read up on it.

If you are not even going to bother to inform yourself properly....why bother posting. I'm tired of correcting you.

you said ALL. all is all. regardless if it's real or not, it's a document.

 

[CrackerJax]

He sealed ALL the documents which give the TRUE origin of Birth. Follow along please....

 

[fdd2blk]

He sealed ALL the documents which give the TRUE origin of Birth. Follow along please....

but that IS the TRUE origin.

did you miss he won the election? you can hold my belt loop if you'd like.

 

[jrh72582]

He sealed ALL the documents which give the TRUE origin of Birth. Follow along please....

Many of us with sans anima are unable to follow along with your paranoia.

 

[CrackerJax]

Like I have said many times... at that time (1961), it was very very easy for anyone to get a "live birth certificate". It is not the same as a "birth certificate". There is a difference. It is not just his BC either and you know it.

Any document which makes Obama state his "true" origin of birth is guarded. See, Obama didn't know he was going to be President way back when and on those college admissions, he was honest about his OB. Now he doesn't want to show us his.....honesty.

 

[hanimmal]

Like I have said many times... at that time 91961), it was very very easy for anyone to get a "live birth certificate". It is not the same as a "birth certificate". There is a difference. It is not just his BC either and you know it.

Any document which makes Obama state his "true" origin of birth is guarded. See, Obama didn't know he was going to be President way back when and on those college admissions, he was honest about his OB. Now he doesn't want to show us his.....honesty.

Ok if it is that easy, prove it. Go get one.

How is college admissions going to prove where he was born anymore than the COLB? Because that was not there when he was born either.

See the stupidity there? First you say

Nixon or any other President has not SEALED ALL papers which refer to their origin of birth....... k? there's difference...a BIG ONE.

With regards to origin of birth and I said:

I love that you say he "SEALED ALL papers which refer to their origin of birth" when there is that green certificate of live birth.

That would be a paper that deals with his origin of birth, but your omnipotence has determined through a wiji board that it cannot be true.

And you continue to ignore that a unanimous house vote declared that he was born in Hawaii. So if the politicians can 100% agree on that one, I really see absolutely no way that you will ever see anything come from this.

So 1. The cert of Live birth IS a paper that deals with his origin of birth, you just disagree with it.

and 2. The house vote that was unanimous is written down and confirms that he was born in Hawaii, hence being a second paper that refers to his origin of birth.

Both are I think very good examples of papers out there that regard his origin of birth. Even if you refuse to believe they are true because to you they CANNOT be true.

 

[jrh72582]

Ok if it is that easy, prove it. Go get one.

How is college admissions going to prove where he was born anymore than the COLB? Because that was not there when he was born either.

See the stupidity there? First you say

With regards to origin of birth and I said:



So 1. The cert of Live birth IS a paper that deals with his origin of birth, you just disagree with it.

and 2. The house vote that was unanimous is written down and confirms that he was born in Hawaii, hence being a second paper that refers to his origin of birth.

Both are I think very good examples of papers out there that regard his origin of birth. Even if you refuse to believe they are true because to you they CANNOT be true.

Remember, the paranoia has taken over. CJ cannot see the logic. He must feed the disease.

 

[CrackerJax]

Ok if it is that easy, prove it. Go get one.

How is college admissions going to prove where he was born anymore than the COLB? Because that was not there when he was born either.

See the stupidity there? First you say

With regards to origin of birth and I said:

Wow, sometimes you make me wonder......
The COLB doesn't prove anything. That's my point.
The college admissions are guarded because he answered truthfully on those papers and they will indicate that his OB is not the United States.....

The house vote that was unanimous is written down and confirms that he was born in Hawaii, hence being a second paper that refers to his origin of birth.

Your kidding right? That's a formality not an examination.

 

[hanimmal]

Wow, sometimes you make me wonder......
The COLB doesn't prove anything. That's my point.
The college admissions are guarded because he answered truthfully on those papers and they will indicate that his OB is not the United States.....

Oh so he was diabolical enough at age 1/365 to put a letter in the paper and get a colb, but wasn't smart enough to lie on his admission paper?

It is sad that you don't even see how stupid that sounds. His COLB has to be fake since that was at or almost at his time of birth, but the paper that was almost 2 decades later has to be the truth (which we don't even know what it says).



Also your so blind to anything that is logical that you refuse to cut and paste everything I had said. Point 1 and 2 answer your question directly, but you once again ignore it because you seem to be afraid of it. Those are both answers to your everything being sealed.

Can you not admit that there are non sealed documents that deal with his origin of birth?

 

[dgittings]

I'm with Cracker on this. From what I understand, according to Obama's sister and grandmother, is that Obama's mom wanted to have her baby in Hawaii but was considered to close to her delivery and wasn't allowed to fly. She had baby in Kenya then flew to Hawaii and applied for a certificate of live birth once there. Why wouldn't Obama's grandparents place announcements in newspapers? Maybe they were proud of their new grandchild. Don't forget that they were not very wealthy and gettting a BC for the US would open many more doors than being a citizen of Kenya would.

 

[hanimmal]

I'm with Cracker on this. From what I understand, according to Obama's sister and grandmother, is that Obama's mom wanted to have her baby in Hawaii but was considered to close to her delivery and wasn't allowed to fly. She had baby in Kenya then flew to Hawaii and applied for a certificate of live birth once there. Why wouldn't Obama's grandparents place announcements in newspapers? Maybe they were proud of their new grandchild. Don't forget that they were not very wealthy and gettting a BC for the US would open many more doors than being a citizen of Kenya would.

Ok so let's assume for a moment that this is what happened (even though there is no proof).

His mother is an American so therefore Obama would be an American citizen by his mothers birth.

But then the birthers will say that she was only 18 years old and that means she did not live 5 years over the age of 14 in the US voiding that law. Because she was a couple months shy of 19, so a technicallity that would mean Barrack was not an American citizen.

So in their eyes they are willing to try to root out every possible technicallity to 'prove' how he could not be an American. Which is shitty of them since they mostly seem to think that the governement is too involved with our lives anyway and we should only follow the consitution, which oddly enough is kind of silent on this because in it anyone that is a citizen of a state was considered a citizen of the country.

It wasn't until the Dredd Scott case that birthrights came in (mid 1800's).

So the same 'consitutionalists' are bringing up every technicallity that they can think of to make Obama illegitimate.

And why is this so important?

The congress voted that he is Hawaiin, he has proved enough in the eyes of the law to be president, he has put up a Certificate of Live Birrth, and also a pic of the newspaper announcement.

It is obvious that his American mother wanted him to be an American. Does it really matter if every crackpot theory of where he was born (because his mom was not allowed to fly to the states like she wanted to) is actaully proven right, because his American mother was months away from being 19 when she had him?

Does it make anything that he has in his life different? Does it make his schooling different, his experience as a state and federal senator different, his family life? Wouldn't he be the same person today regardless of where he was before he turned 3 days old?

 

[NoDrama]

I think the big stink is the fact that you have to be "Natural Born" to be pres. Since his mother was not 19, he isn't natural born, but could still be a citizen. Yeah its a technicality, but known murderers get off on such "Technicalities" now don't they( OJ ). Justice is supposed to be blind.

 

[jrh72582]

Ok so let's assume for a moment that this is what happened (even though there is no proof).

His mother is an American so therefore Obama would be an American citizen by his mothers birth.

But then the birthers will say that she was only 18 years old and that means she did not live 5 years over the age of 14 in the US voiding that law. Because she was a couple months shy of 19, so a technicallity that would mean Barrack was not an American citizen.

So in their eyes they are willing to try to root out every possible technicallity to 'prove' how he could not be an American. Which is shitty of them since they mostly seem to think that the governement is too involved with our lives anyway and we should only follow the consitution, which oddly enough is kind of silent on this because in it anyone that is a citizen of a state was considered a citizen of the country.

It wasn't until the Dredd Scott case that birthrights came in (mid 1800's).

So the same 'consitutionalists' are bringing up every technicallity that they can think of to make Obama illegitimate.

And why is this so important?

The congress voted that he is Hawaiin, he has proved enough in the eyes of the law to be president, he has put up a Certificate of Live Birrth, and also a pic of the newspaper announcement.

It is obvious that his American mother wanted him to be an American. Does it really matter if every crackpot theory of where he was born (because his mom was not allowed to fly to the states like she wanted to) is actaully proven right, because his American mother was months away from being 19 when she had him?

Does it make anything that he has in his life different? Does it make his schooling different, his experience as a state and federal senator different, his family life? Wouldn't he be the same person today regardless of where he was before he turned 3 days old?

Again - sanity! Finally, there's a glimpse of sanity.

 

[hanimmal]

Yeah I agree with you, but the fact is there is no Proof that this is the case to even bring it into a court of law. I personally don't think that Oj was a technicallity, I think that they were scared shitless about what would have happened in LA if he got found guilty. I think that there was enough evidence for that.

This is trying to convict someone with absolutely zero evidence. And the things that people want to see as evidence (if true) would be self damning and surpressed on the grounds of self incriminating. Especially when he has already provided enough for the state to continue to drop it, and get something passed 360 to 0 saying he is hawiian.


In America it is innocent until proven guilty, but for all the birthers, they want it guilty until proven innocent.

 

[CrackerJax]

Long Form Birth Certificate

COLB Certification Of Live Birth

Here is an actual Hawaiian birth certificate from 1963 (the same era as Obama’s birth), which while redacted includes detailed information documenting a birth, including the name of the birth hospital and the attending physician. Beneath it is the short-form “Certification of Live Birth” offered by President Obama as proof of his Hawaiian birth. It is possible to have been born outside of Hawaii and still obtain the latter form, but not the former:
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[jrh72582]

Long Form Birth Certificate

COLB Certification Of Live Birth

Here is an actual Hawaiian birth certificate from 1963 (the same era as Obama’s birth), which while redacted includes detailed information documenting a birth, including the name of the birth hospital and the attending physician. Beneath it is the short-form “Certification of Live Birth” offered by President Obama as proof of his Hawaiian birth. It is possible to have been born outside of Hawaii and still obtain the latter form, but not the former:
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Yes, we know this - it's been posted numerous times already. We KNOW that you could have been born elsewhere and still have gotten a COLB from Hawaii during this period. We know this.

It evidences NOTHING, in this case. Nothing. Just because he could have been born elsewhere and he might have been able to get a COLB does not mean he did. All evidence points to the contrary. He has a COLB, the court has ruled, the issue is over.

The main argument from me is that even if he was born in Kenya and even though his mom was only 18, he may very well have been granted naturalized status. If the courts had to make a ruling interpreting the Constitution in this specific area where it's a bit hazy, they would have ruled that he's a citizen. So what's your argument? That his mom being 18 definitively excludes him from citizen status?

 

[CrackerJax]

I see, so KNOWING that a COLB could have been gottten by a foreign national...it means NOTHING that Obama refuses to produce the true document.


That's some deep reasoning.....
JRH: I know anyone could get one and Obama won't show the long form. Nope, nothing there.

I won't even throw in the college admissions on top of it..... I'm feeling generous.

You need a course in logic.....

 

[jrh72582]

I see, so KNOWING that a COLB could have been gottten by a foreign national...it means NOTHING that Obama refuses to produce the true document.


That's some deep reasoning.....
JRH: I know anyone could get one and Obama won't show the long form. Nope, nothing there.

I won't even throw in the college admissions on top of it..... I'm feeling generous.

You need a course in logic.....

You missed the point. I'll be generous. Let's say he WAS born in Kenya. Let's say his parents really wanted him to have US citizenship, so they got him a COLB from Hawaii and put an announcement in the paper. Being a baby and having no conscious awareness of his birth, he has no clue where he was truly born. So he assumes he's born in Hawaii. And now people are asking for an original. Oh shit, he doesn't have one.....

In this highly unlikely case, I think the courts will rule that his mother's status naturalizes him. She was only 18, but the constitution is NOT clear here - it would need interpretation from a judge. They made clear which way they would rule. That's my point.

Either way, Obama was born where he was born. He cannot help that. His mother is a citizen and he lived his whole life in America. He was elected president because of his accomplishments (senate, harvard law [magna cum laude], etc...) and because of the absolute vacuum and disaster left by the republicans. Americans clearly stated their dislike of republican policy and made a clear choice to go the 'other' way. So he's our president. He's a citizen. Even if he were born in Kenya, he's still our president (and justifiably so). Hell, if Arnold didn't really screw his own state, I wouldn't mind seeing him on a ballot if the PEOPLE want him there. My two cents....logically sound.

 

[hanimmal]

It is even possible that he doesn't have a clue. And the only three people that would be able to tell him for sure are passed on. His mom and grandmother and grandfather. It would equally be possible that he was never told where he was born, and believes it to be Hawaii.