Dual Areoponic Cabinet, Ceramic Metal Halide
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Hang on a sec. Those are supplements. If you want to go Dutch Master all the way you need the basic A B nutes to go with them.
Although from what I read you can use these with any nutrients. It would be best to go all the way.
Although from what I read you can use these with any nutrients. It would be best to go all the way.
8-6-09
Temps 87 res 67°
PPMs 420
PH 5.4
Changed out the res to flower nutes today.
Fox Farm Tiger Bloom and Big Bloom. at a little less then Half what recommended.
To get the nutrients there quick I added 30 ml of GH Diamond Nectar.
That brought the total PPMs to 470 and I adjusted PH to 5.7
The girls stretched a couple inches. I am keeping the light as close as I can.
I burnt a couple top leaves with a cfl on one plant. So far, no burn with the CMH.
Its been at 7 to 8 inches.
Checked on the clones,
temp 82 root zone 78°
bubbler 74° at Ph 5.8
PPM 240
By the way the water mix is clonex and super thrive.
Its day three so I watered them with about a teaspoon of the bubble water.
I see the leaves in the small clones starting to turn yellow. That tells me the plant
is pulling available nutrients to the bottom. I don't see it so much on the larger clones
but that is expected.
Here are some shots
Here is this weeks video.
Temps 87 res 67°
PPMs 420
PH 5.4
Changed out the res to flower nutes today.
Fox Farm Tiger Bloom and Big Bloom. at a little less then Half what recommended.
To get the nutrients there quick I added 30 ml of GH Diamond Nectar.
That brought the total PPMs to 470 and I adjusted PH to 5.7
The girls stretched a couple inches. I am keeping the light as close as I can.
I burnt a couple top leaves with a cfl on one plant. So far, no burn with the CMH.
Its been at 7 to 8 inches.
Checked on the clones,
temp 82 root zone 78°
bubbler 74° at Ph 5.8
PPM 240
By the way the water mix is clonex and super thrive.
Its day three so I watered them with about a teaspoon of the bubble water.
I see the leaves in the small clones starting to turn yellow. That tells me the plant
is pulling available nutrients to the bottom. I don't see it so much on the larger clones
but that is expected.
Here are some shots
Here is this weeks video.
[youtube]Rw7ggleD2hc&hl=en&fs[/youtube]
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wyteberrywidow
Global
Plants are looking great cruzer....
Thanks man.
phreakygoat
Well-Known Member
i agree, awesome progress! but i was wondering how much the clones like the superthrive, i've heard all types of reports both ways in the stuff and when i used it i only saw a slight difference... 'Grow On', lol.
Yea man, first time aero I see much faster growth. using about 30% more water too. I am keeping the nute level at or under 500 so far.
Most of the aero grow journals I've read here the nute level was two or three times as much. Well, at manufactures recommended amounts. I am not trying to reinvent the wheel here. I am going by what I experienced in the past. Stress, burnt tips, curling, twisting, weak plants are susceptible to insects, like spider mites. Fuck that. I want good looking healthy plants. The first three grows I followed recommended amounts and It didn't flush out right and tasted nutes in the smoke. When I cut back I got the same yield but no nute taste. Earl is an experienced grower and his last grow was a low nute load also and he was happy with the results.
The bubble cloner water is distilled. I haven't done it before so after checking other grows including Earls I decided to go with what works. Just enough PPMs to get a pH reading. About 200PPM. I used the clonex solution at about 1/4 strength and one drop of super thrive. I pH to 5.8 I figured that was close enough. I hope I am right. If not I still have the clones in rooter cubes.
I got real lucky. This crazy summer weather we are having has kept temps down. I should have my veg area up soon. I can always just use cab 2 flower area to veg the first time around. I will be ready for purp or two in about a week.
Most of the aero grow journals I've read here the nute level was two or three times as much. Well, at manufactures recommended amounts. I am not trying to reinvent the wheel here. I am going by what I experienced in the past. Stress, burnt tips, curling, twisting, weak plants are susceptible to insects, like spider mites. Fuck that. I want good looking healthy plants. The first three grows I followed recommended amounts and It didn't flush out right and tasted nutes in the smoke. When I cut back I got the same yield but no nute taste. Earl is an experienced grower and his last grow was a low nute load also and he was happy with the results.
The bubble cloner water is distilled. I haven't done it before so after checking other grows including Earls I decided to go with what works. Just enough PPMs to get a pH reading. About 200PPM. I used the clonex solution at about 1/4 strength and one drop of super thrive. I pH to 5.8 I figured that was close enough. I hope I am right. If not I still have the clones in rooter cubes.
I got real lucky. This crazy summer weather we are having has kept temps down. I should have my veg area up soon. I can always just use cab 2 flower area to veg the first time around. I will be ready for purp or two in about a week.
Sure man,
"I still haven't found what I am looking for" By U tube has been stuck in my mind the last two days. So true.
I am always looking for something.
I didn't realize it but I was whistling it when I shot the video. LOL
Thanks for sticking around.
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"I still haven't found what I am looking for" By U tube has been stuck in my mind the last two days. So true.
I am always looking for something.
I didn't realize it but I was whistling it when I shot the video. LOL
Thanks for sticking around.
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I got the veg light up today, Built a free standing hanger.
I had an rubbermaid shelf I had used as a rack in a drip system, cut it in half and used it for the sides.
The mount for the array sticks through the rack so I can adjust it all the way up to the bottom of the upper shelf.
At four inches I get about 350 lumnes of clean light.
I used this along with the four T5's and it did great.
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I had an rubbermaid shelf I had used as a rack in a drip system, cut it in half and used it for the sides.
The mount for the array sticks through the rack so I can adjust it all the way up to the bottom of the upper shelf.
At four inches I get about 350 lumnes of clean light.
I used this along with the four T5's and it did great.
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8-7-09
Temps 84 res 62°
PPMS 420
Ph 5.4
Not much use of water or nutrients today. We are having a cooler summer then usual.
I turned off the chiller for tonight.
The widow is short and stocky you just cant see them in the back.
Clones are not really doing much either.
I covered the top of the bubbler with mylar to help keep light out.
Temps been a few degrees cooler but water temp was still 76° rooter cubes were 78°
I don't know, the bubbler clones don't look too good. I didn't prepare them at all.
Just cut them and put them in there with the bottom tip just touching water.
I took off the little domes for a while today and they started wilting. I put them back on. Hum.
Oh well, Here's a cool root shot from today.
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Temps 84 res 62°
PPMS 420
Ph 5.4
Not much use of water or nutrients today. We are having a cooler summer then usual.
I turned off the chiller for tonight.
The widow is short and stocky you just cant see them in the back.
Clones are not really doing much either.
I covered the top of the bubbler with mylar to help keep light out.
Temps been a few degrees cooler but water temp was still 76° rooter cubes were 78°
I don't know, the bubbler clones don't look too good. I didn't prepare them at all.
Just cut them and put them in there with the bottom tip just touching water.
I took off the little domes for a while today and they started wilting. I put them back on. Hum.
Oh well, Here's a cool root shot from today.
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Earl
Well-Known Member
That's the same problem I had when I tried to use a dome.
Now I like them to have air.
I believe that drier air causes the stem to draw water into the plant
as the leaves transpire.
This water movent through the plant
triggers the root growth,
and keeps the plant turgid.
I also think that you can have too much light on the cuts
until they have roots.
I use my 400 watt HPS
but at a long way off, like 3-4 feet.
CFLs should work.
I was not able to save the cuts I had under the dome.
Good luck.
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Now I like them to have air.
I believe that drier air causes the stem to draw water into the plant
as the leaves transpire.
This water movent through the plant
triggers the root growth,
and keeps the plant turgid.
I also think that you can have too much light on the cuts
until they have roots.
I use my 400 watt HPS
but at a long way off, like 3-4 feet.
CFLs should work.
I was not able to save the cuts I had under the dome.
Good luck.
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phreakygoat
Well-Known Member
cruzer: those roots look like a scarecrows guts, lol. super cool looking. do u have the EZcloner bubbler in the cloner or a diff. type?
i totally agree, Earl. when i used a humidity dome i saw some crazy white mold come up from the clone pellet. thats just me tho...
Good stuff guys,
Thanks for the input.
I am stuck between a rock and a hard place here.
The area is warmed from below but in order to keep it cool enough I have to run the fans 24/7
This removes what little humidity there is in the space and dries them out.
If I could just let the air sit and accumulate humidity I wouldn't have used a dome at all.
Growing in a cabinet is different then a room because in such a small space the
environment changes so quickly. I am going to have to re-think this.
Good news is the new veg area has humidity dropping from the foliage on the upper shelf.
Temps are cooler too. Looks like they are going there until I can figure this out. I may lose
the plants in the bubbler but I'm pretty sure I will get roots in the rooter cubes.
Can you give me an idea of what the humidity level in the room was when you had good results with a bubbler?
Thanks for the input.
I am stuck between a rock and a hard place here.
The area is warmed from below but in order to keep it cool enough I have to run the fans 24/7
This removes what little humidity there is in the space and dries them out.
If I could just let the air sit and accumulate humidity I wouldn't have used a dome at all.
Growing in a cabinet is different then a room because in such a small space the
environment changes so quickly. I am going to have to re-think this.
Good news is the new veg area has humidity dropping from the foliage on the upper shelf.
Temps are cooler too. Looks like they are going there until I can figure this out. I may lose
the plants in the bubbler but I'm pretty sure I will get roots in the rooter cubes.
Can you give me an idea of what the humidity level in the room was when you had good results with a bubbler?
Thanks Earl,
OK so the veg area was at 40% last night. They should be happy there for now.
Its about 8 degrees cooler in there then this area. Air is passively going through it from under the house.
I have a seedling heat mat If I need it.
Check it out, today I see a few leaf tips yellowing a bit.
I don't know if covering it made that happen or it was just time.
Notice how that glass doesn't have droplets on the side?
I have another one in the back that looks similar but there are droplets.
.OK so the veg area was at 40% last night. They should be happy there for now.
Its about 8 degrees cooler in there then this area. Air is passively going through it from under the house.
I have a seedling heat mat If I need it.
Check it out, today I see a few leaf tips yellowing a bit.
I don't know if covering it made that happen or it was just time.
Notice how that glass doesn't have droplets on the side?
I have another one in the back that looks similar but there are droplets.
tahoe58
Well-Known Member
U2 been a part of my life for a long time ... man many memories ...went and saw them in concert in 97 (I think), it was a very special event. And driving over Monida Pass, nuthin on the radio ...its like 630am driving all night up over the crest of the horizon, the sun bursts into view, the radio became ultraclear and U2 was playing that song, and the radio signal faded out after the song was finished. The hair on my forearms still stands up evcen thinking about it. Good luck with ur grow .... I'll be hanging, always something to learn everywhere. Walk On!!~~ 
Botanist Bob
Well-Known Member
Cuzer, nice work buddy, love your setup
Just read your threat right through, and im sorry to ask cause I’m sure it was mentioned somewhere, but I’m guessing you keep the nutes stirred so the salts don’t settle out. Is that why you do it?
and what where you using to keep it mixed, was it a pump?
thanx in advance, + rep.
Just read your threat right through, and im sorry to ask cause I’m sure it was mentioned somewhere, but I’m guessing you keep the nutes stirred so the salts don’t settle out. Is that why you do it?
and what where you using to keep it mixed, was it a pump?
thanx in advance, + rep.
Hey Bob,
Welcome to my journal. Yea, I use a pump. Its 250gph. The little one upper right. Got an air line too.
I had a couple 1/2" holes in the res already so I went out and came back in the upper hole. It worked out great.
Now I keep the water right above the line coming back in so when I hear it I know I need water.
I did a journal on the build also.
Heres a pic for it.
If you want to see the build Click Here
Welcome to my journal. Yea, I use a pump. Its 250gph. The little one upper right. Got an air line too.
I had a couple 1/2" holes in the res already so I went out and came back in the upper hole. It worked out great.
Now I keep the water right above the line coming back in so when I hear it I know I need water.
I did a journal on the build also.
Heres a pic for it.
If you want to see the build Click Here