It's Harvest Time.. What DO you do??

Shackleford.R

Well-Known Member
Yo!

I'm a newbie grower, starting to get into my second week of veg.
I know I have a lot of time to think about it, so why not ask the experts.

This isn't one of those posts where I share my knowledge of everything I know, this is one of those posts intended to start a thread full of badass curing tips, tricks, and techniques.

So go ahead, share...

Water cure or dry cure?
Advantages/Disadvantages...
 

Shackleford.R

Well-Known Member
GreenX how-to Water Cure
This is a basic guide of How to Water Cure, it is generally step-by-step and will hopefully be helpful to anyone wanting to try this.

For more of my guides to come, simply search Titles only, keyword: GreenX How to's

Note: In this guide I will be using a jar to do the water cure as I'm only curing a small amount.

Step 1: Get a jar (or larger tub, such as a chilly bin or bucket, for larger quantities) and fill it with water.


Step 2: (Note: this may not apply if you're not using a jar with a screw on lid) Puncture some holes in the lid, these will later be used to easily drain the water when you want to change it.


Step 3: Select the plant(s) you want to water cure.
This is the babe I will be using.



Step 4: Remove the parts of the plant you want to water cure, and give them a quick trim up, removing the large fan leaves and trimming away as many or few of the trim leaves as you desire.
I've only done a very light trim here as the trim leaves have plenty of trichs on them.


Step 5: Get the buds you want to water cure and submerge them in the water.



Step 6: Leave what ever you're water curing in uncovered so any chemicals and other nasties can evaporate. In larger containers, it may be necessary to weigh the bud down with a steel mesh or something similar because the bud will float for the first few days it's in the water. Store in a cool, dark place. Every 24 hours (every 12 hours if you really want) drain the water completely and replace with fresh water simply by pouring the fresh water into the jar. (I didn't pH my water because it's pH 7.0 out of the tap, but you may wish to pH it if your water's pH is a bit out of whack).

Step 7: Draining the water! To drain the water, simply screw the lid on to the jar, tilt over a bucket or sink, and watch the water drain!


Step 8: After this process of draining and replacing the water every 24 hours has been done for 7 days, it's time to dry that bud!
Simply hang the bud on a wire or something similar, just dry it like you would if you were doing a regular air dry, preferably with a fan blowing on or around it.
It should dry in 24-48 hours, believe it or not, pretty quick considering the bud is sopping wet when you hang it. *You may wish to place a towel or newspaper under the buds while they dry as they will drip a fair bit of water onto what ever is under them.
Sorry I didn't get a picture right when I hung them, this pic was taken 24 hours after the hang.


Step 9: SMOKE THAT SHIT! Hahaha. It will probably look a bit like this.
Picture 1: Water cured bud.
Picture 2: Left - Air cured bud. Right - Water cured bud.



Hope this helps some of you out their. If you're unsure of any of the terms I've used, hopefully my Glossary of Terms will help you out: https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/98008-glossary-terms.html#post1161761

Cheers!
Various Curing Methods
Good info, lots of responses

Different Curing Methods by silvernomad

Curing is a process employed to naturally enhance the bouquet, flavour, and texture of marijuana. Curing does not lower potency when done correctly, although poor curing methods often result in some less of THC.

Curing is not an essential procedure, and many growers prefer the "natural" flavour of uncured grass. Sweet sinsemilla buds usually are not cured.

Curing is most successful on plants which have "ripened" and are beginning to lose chlorophyll. It is less successful on growing tips and other vigorous parts which are immature. These parts may only lose some chlorophyll.

Curing proceeds while the leaf is still alive, for until it dries, many of the leaf's life processes continue. Since the leaf's ability to produce sugars is thwarted, it breaks down stored starch to simple sugars, which are used for food. This gives the grass a sweet or earthy aroma and taste. At the same time, many of the complex proteins and pigments, such as chlorophyll, are broken down in enzymatic processes. This changes the colour of the leaf from green to various shades of yellow, brown, tan, or red, depending primarily on the variety, but also on growing environment and cure technique. The destruction of chlorophyll eliminates the minty taste that is commonly associated with green homegrown.

There are several methods of curing, most of which were originally designed to cure large quantities of tobacco. Some of them can be modified by the home grower to use for small marijuana harvests as well as large harvests. The methods used to cure marijuana are the air, flue, sweat, sun, and water cures.

Air Curing

Air curing is a technique developed in the United States for curing pipe and cigar tobacco. It was originally done in specially constructed barns made with ventilator slats which could be sealed; a small shed or metal building can easily be adapted for this use. However, this method of curing works only when there is enough material to keep the air saturated with moisture.

Wires are strung across the barn, and the marijuana plants or plant parts are hung from them, using string, wire twists, or the crooks of branches. The plants material should be closely spaced, but there should be enough room between branches (a few inches) so that air circulates freely. The building is kept unventilated until all the material loses some chlorophyll (green colour). This loss occurs rapidly during warm sunny weather because heat builds up, which hastens the cure. In wet or overcast weather, the temperature in the chamber will be cooler, and the process will proceed more slowly. If these conditions last for more than a day or two, unwanted mould may grow on the plants. The best way to prevent mould from forming is to raise the temperature to 90F by using a heater.

After the leaves have lost their deep green and become pale, the ventilator or windows are opened slightly, so that the temperature and humidity are lowered and the curing process is slowed. The process then continues until all traces of chlorophyll are eliminated. The entire process may take six weeks. Then the ventilators are opened, and an exhaust fan installed if necessary, to dry the material to the point that it can be smoked but still is moist, that is, bends rather than crumbles or powders when rubbed between thumb and forefinger.

Flue Curing

Flue curing differs from air curing in that the process is speeded up by using an external source of heat, and the air circulation is more closely regulated. This method can be used with small quantities of material in a small, airtight curing box constructed for the purpose. Large quantities can be hung in a room or barn as described in Air Curing.

A simple way to control the temperature when curing or drying small amounts of marijuana is to place the material to be cured in a watertight box (or a bottle) with ventilation holes on the top. Place the box in a water-filled container, such as a pot, fish-tank, or bathtub. The curing box contains air and will float. The water surrounding the box is maintained at the correct temperature by means of a stove or hotplate, fish-tank or water-bed heater, or any inexpensive immersible heater. Temperature of the water is monitored.

With the marijuana loosely packed, maintain water temperature at 90 degrees. After several days, the green tissue turns a pale yellow-green or murky colour, indicating yellow or brown pigments. Then increase temperature, to about 100 degrees, until all traces of green disappear. Raise the temperature once again, this time to 115 degrees, until a full, ripe colour develops. Also increase ventilation at this time, so that the marijuana dries. Plants dried at high temperature tend to be brittle; so lower the temperature before drying is completed. This last phase of drying can be done at room temperature, out of the water bath. The whole process takes a week or less.

Marijuana cured by this technique turns a deep brown colour. Immature material may retain some chlorophyll and have a slight greenish cast. Taste is rich yet mild.

Sweat Curing

Sweat curing is the technique most widely used in Colombia. Long branches containing colas are layered in piles about 18 inches high and a minimum of two feet square, more often about ten by fifteen feet. Sweat curing actually incorporates the fermenting process. Within a few hours the leaves begin to heat up from the microbial action in the same way that a compost pile ferments. Then change in colour is very rapid; watch the pile carefully, so that it does not overheat and rot the colas. Each day unpack the piles, and remove the colas that have turned colour. Within four or five days, all the colas will have turned colour. They are then dried. One way to prevent rot while using this method is to place cotton sheets, rags, or paper towels between each double layer of colas. The towels absorb some of the moisture and slow down the process.

Sweat curing can be modified for use with as little marijuana as two large plants. Pack the marijuana tightly in a heavy paper sack (or several layers of paper bags), and place it in the sun. The light is converted to heat and helps support the sweat.

Another variation of the sweat process occurs when fresh undried marijuana is bricked. The bricks are placed in piles, and they cure while being transported.

A simple procedure for a slow sweat cure is to roll fresh marijuana in plastic bags. Each week, open the bag for about an hour to evaporate some water. In about six weeks, the ammonia smell will dissipate somewhat, and the grass should be dried. This cure works well with small quantities of mediocre grass, since it concentrates the material.

Sun Curing

A quick way to cure small quantities of marijuana os to loosely fill a plastic bag or glass jar, or place a layer between glass or plastic sheets, and expose the material to the sun. Within a few hours the sun begins to bleach it. Turn the marijuana every few hours, so that all parts are exposed to the sun. An even cure is achieved in one to two days {(see Plate 16)}. Some degradation of THC may occur using this method.

Water Cure

Unlike other curing methods, the water cure is performed after the marijuana is dried. Powder and small pieces are most often used, but the cure also works with whole colas. The material is piled loosely in a glass or ceramic pot which is filled with Luke-warm water. (When hot water is used, some of the THC is released in oils, which escape and float to the top of the water.) Within a few hours many of the non-psychoactive water-soluble substances dissolve. An occasional gentle stirring speeds the process. The water is changed and the process repeated. Then the grass is dried again for smoking.

THC is not water-soluble; so it remains on the plant when it is soaked. By eliminating water-soluble substances (pigments, proteins, sugars, and some resins), which may make up 25 percent of the plant material by weight, this cure may increase the concentration of THC by up to a third.

Marijuana cured by this method has a dark, almost black colour, and looks twisted and curled, something like tea leaves. The water cure is frequently used to cure dried fan leaves and poor-quality grass. ;D

TXUB :weed:


So with all that in mind.. my plan is to dry appropriately... few days, just till buds are crispy and stems lose flexibility. then i'm burping in tubs... any reason to go jar versus tupperware???

:peace:
Shack
 

Shackleford.R

Well-Known Member
i don't plan to water cure, just wanted to start a resource thread for the community, i compiled what i enjoyed reading the most.
water cure seems odd to me, the goal is to dry the bud... then to even out the moisture through curing (not with water)... he says to soak in water.. then dry.. what if it gets to dry? does one still burp it in a jar to even it out?

i don't get it, seems like a hassle and looks kinda like mistreated shwag in the end

:peace:
Shack
 

shylas

Active Member
Ok Just about curing time for my buds anyone actually used this method? Sounds kinda neat. Have you done this googlesworth?
 

Shackleford.R

Well-Known Member
hmm... i may water cure some... then go with the jar cure after that...

i found this idea intriguing..
silvernomad said:
Sweat Curing

Sweat curing is the technique most widely used in Colombia. Long branches containing colas are layered in piles about 18 inches high and a minimum of two feet square, more often about ten by fifteen feet. Sweat curing actually incorporates the fermenting process. Within a few hours the leaves begin to heat up from the microbial action in the same way that a compost pile ferments. Then change in colour is very rapid; watch the pile carefully, so that it does not overheat and rot the colas. Each day unpack the piles, and remove the colas that have turned colour. Within four or five days, all the colas will have turned colour. They are then dried. One way to prevent rot while using this method is to place cotton sheets, rags, or paper towels between each double layer of colas. The towels absorb some of the moisture and slow down the process.

Sweat curing can be modified for use with as little marijuana as two large plants. Pack the marijuana tightly in a heavy paper sack (or several layers of paper bags), and place it in the sun. The light is converted to heat and helps support the sweat.

Another variation of the sweat process occurs when fresh undried marijuana is bricked. The bricks are placed in piles, and they cure while being transported.

A simple procedure for a slow sweat cure is to roll fresh marijuana in plastic bags. Each week, open the bag for about an hour to evaporate some water. In about six weeks, the ammonia smell will dissipate somewhat, and the grass should be dried. This cure works well with small quantities of mediocre grass, since it concentrates the material.
i suppose this is how low grade shwag is cured?? juding by the sound of it may actually degrade the smoke. OR the meager fermentation process might unlock some aromas, like aging wine???

thoughts??

:peace:
Shack
 

shylas

Active Member
You'll Def lose weight but that in turn will make the thc more concentrated? I think I'll just try both and see which i like better. My whole thing is taste (and high of course).Hell I would air cure in a jar for 6 months If it made it taste amazing. Fermentation process sounds like it could go bad real quick if your not careful
 

Shackleford.R

Well-Known Member
You'll Def lose weight but that in turn will make the thc more concentrated? I think I'll just try both and see which i like better. My whole thing is taste (and high of course).Hell I would air cure in a jar for 6 months If it made it taste amazing. Fermentation process sounds like it could go bad real quick if your not careful
haha i'm right there with you, i hear dry/cure can save a bad harvest and break a good harvest...

we could use an experienced voice in this thread..
 

shylas

Active Member
Yes we must get an expierenced vioce. In the post by greenphoenix They cut branches right from the plant and put them in water. In the post by silverdiamond he suggests drying first so yeah if I do decide to do this we need to clear that up too
 
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Prot3us1

Guest
I think the different curing methods are all just less or more efficient ways of taking the bitter unwanted chemicals out of the smokable matter. all these different ways do it.

The water cure is probably better at doing this, i mean think about it guys, all we want is the psychoactive parts of the plant. So the more non psychoactive stuff thats taken out the better the end result right?

So any process where the plant loses non psychoactive mass is a good process.

In our world everything likes to be equal..so if you have a high concentration of something, it will try to spread out and make itself equal with the surrounding areas concentration. So when we seal our weed in a glass mason jar, and chuck it somewhere for a day the air surrounding the leaves is pretty clean and contains no chlorophyll to begin with. Then imagine chlorophyll is pressure... the air around the buds is at negative pressure, as there is no chlorophyll and the buds themselves are basically high pressure pockets. This forces the chlorophyll from the bud into the air till the concentration is equal in the air and the bud. At this point the process stops. Now its a day later, and we open the lid and the bad air is swapped with fresh air, creating the negative pressure again.

The thing that kills us here is, in order for something to go from the bud to the air it must be soluble in air. chlorophyll is. A lot of the stuff we want to get rid of isnt.

THC is not soluble in water as the other guy said, and pretty much everything else is. So when we put the buds in water the same thing happens, but instead of only chlorophyll leeching out of the leaves, everything thats water soluble does...chlorophyll, nutes, sugars, hell most parts of the plant are...

Fermenting i can only imagine, as the guy you quoted said is a microbial action...Im not sure if thc is broken down as part of that action. But im fairly sure this method is just a clever natural way of mixing water and air cures. The water evaporates from the heat, the vapor passes through plant matter, collecting unsavoury particles on the way then leaves the pile.

The sun method probably uses oxidisation. Oxygen is the most destructive chemical on the planet. without oxygen we would have no rust no fire no tarnishing, no breakdown of matter really. The problem is thc isnt invincible, and oxidisation kills thc just as much as it kills everything else. I wouldnt use this method if you have a choice.

Personally i use the glass jar method. I do this because as anyone who has done it correctly can tell you, the weed gets a very sweet smell from this method. In truth it always has this sweet smell, but the smell of chlorophyll masks it.

I know ill get flamed for this...fine...but do remember shack my man, the key thing we want to do is "remove bad tasting and smelling compounds, leaving ALL of the psychoactive materials and good tasting stuff."

I dont search the forums to see what other people say then repeat it, i sit down and think about it myself. Im fairly competent in biology and chemistry and the processes involved in curing weed work the same as any other plant..tobacco in this case. Im sure there would be a better way of curing mj than using the method for tobacco but i dont have th quantity fweed needed to try out the ideas i have. Ill try a few small buds and see what happens.

FYI hash is pure thc, hash is all the good parts of the plant and none of the bad (if its pure). We dont want hash, we want plant matter but we want it to smell and taste sweet not bitter.

im stoned as and i feel like ive typed for days lol...


prot
 

Bubba Kushman

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I have never watercured my buds but I can say if you air cure for at least 3 months in a jar you will be amazed at the taste and quality of the smoke. Its just very hard to keep smoke around that long if you are a pot head like myself or have a woman that smokes as much as mine does!
 

BlackHit

Well-Known Member
Water curing won't cause mold if you follow the directions and let them hang dry for 48 hours. I did a water cure one time and at the end the buds were very light on flavor, but they did have a pretty good punch to them in the "high" department. It's worth a try if you have enough buds to run a test on
 

palehawaiian

Active Member
i chop trim and hang, then whats ever not smoked, goes in jars and is smoked while i cure it. What respectable stoner could look at a jar of dank and drool for over three months? WTF lol
 

Evil Buddies

Ganja King
What I do is dry for a week then in the glass jars burp them for a week then leave for long cure at least a month. But if the buds when dry dont taste to bad and get my high i will smoke a bit. I rarely do that coz I usually always got something to smoke.

I had a look at the water cure process and will try it with around 4gs just to get a few early buds to smoke. I only got one to two weels flowering my rhino jack so not long to go yet.. You lose a lot of weight in the buds when water curing instead of jar cure.

Growing when you havent got any bud to smoke is hard when u look at smell at ur ladies and you got nothing, its hard.


Evil
 

matt7835706

Well-Known Member
Then I looked at the bud weight % difference between the two methods.

100 grams wet = 25 grams air dried
100 grams wet = 15 grams water cured & dehydrated

The air dried weighs 10 grams more or 40% more. This is too big of a percentage difference for me. This is what I love about being a newbie grower, I'm floating through the learning curve. My game plan now is to water cure enough buds to last me while I'm air drying & curing the majority of the pot because it's sure nice to have smokable buds once the trics are ready


I had 74 grams wet and got 11 grams dried. I would of got 18 grams air dried and that's 7 grams more or 39%.

Yes, the water cure method works & it works great! Fast, clean & simple with a great buzz
but it's too large of a weight percentage difference between the two method.

Peace!!!
 
Then I looked at the bud weight % difference between the two methods.

100 grams wet = 25 grams air dried
100 grams wet = 15 grams water cured & dehydrated

The air dried weighs 10 grams more or 40% more. This is too big of a percentage difference for me. This is what I love about being a newbie grower, I'm floating through the learning curve. My game plan now is to water cure enough buds to last me while I'm air drying & curing the majority of the pot because it's sure nice to have smokable buds once the trics are ready


I had 74 grams wet and got 11 grams dried. I would of got 18 grams air dried and that's 7 grams more or 39%.

Yes, the water cure method works & it works great! Fast, clean & simple with a great buzz
but it's too large of a weight percentage difference between the two method.


Peace!!!
You lose more weight water curing but the Fact is that the thc content will remain the same regardless of the end weight. Take for example 100 grams air cured = 25 grams dry, say with a 15% thc content if your lucky. Now take the same 100 grams and water cure it = 15 grams dry. Now take into account that the thc level in 15 grams of water cured bud is going to be much more concetrated since thc does not dissolve in water. Your now going to have 15 grams of water cured buds with a thc content up as high as 22-23%. Thats can be up to a 50% raise in thc content. You do get more weight out of air curing but for a boost up to 50% higher thc content in a more concentrated weight of bud is still a great choice. Smoke more air dried bud with a lower thc level or smoke less water cured bud and enjoy the thc boost. Water curing does take out some of the smell and can be a smoother taste. It can work well with any quality of bud. I wouldn't "stir" during the water cure,the less you mess with it the less trics you loose,plus 7 days is all you need,no more or less, 7 days is perfect. I've also saw folks using a food dehydrator for the dry set at its lowest temp.,it can dry 1/2 pound soaking wet bud in 5 hours after water curing. Either way it's all good. Hope this helps with the whole idea behind the water cure.... Later
 
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