bigjesse1922
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Well I will take the challenge
I will transplant early morning and measure the growth points in four areas in each plant and I would be willing to wager I will have measurable growth before the lights go out.
Big J's LEGAL 1K Watt Mh/HPS Perpetual Closet Grow
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I will transplant early morning and measure the growth points in four areas in each plant and I would be willing to wager I will have measurable growth before the lights go out.
GypsyBush
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I think this is a great post.. worth of pretty much any journal...
Here's what Al posted earlier...
Here's what Al posted earlier...
Originally Posted by Al B. Fuct
no wuckin' furries.
If I had to offer general suggestions to a noob, these would be the most significant:
* Build your room so it presents consistently correct conditions; 24-26C @ 30-50%RH with frequent ventilation.
* All locations for grow rooms are different but proper ventilation and thus keeping temps down is the hardest thing to accomplish in the spaces folx usually have available to use as grow ops. Cooltubes are an amazing helpmeet toward that end. There's some light intensity loss through the tube glass but you lose more yield through overtemp than through the 3-5% reduction in light intensity through the Pyrex. Also, when the vast majority of heat from lights is removed by the constant operation of cooltube fans during lights-on, you can significantly derate how much fan power you need for the room's main exhaust blower. Before I used cooltubes, my ~500cu ft flowering room struggled to stay under 26-27C (in summer in particular) even with a monster 250mm, 200W 650CFM exhaust blower assisted by 2x 150mm intake blowers. Could probably get by these days with a single 150mm or 200mm on exhaust and a 150mm on the intake.
* Shoot nutrient strength low rather than high. You will probably find that you get by just fine on half or less of the mfr's recommendations. You lose less yield from slight underfert than you do from nute burning.
* More is not always (in fact, usually not) better with growing plants. There's a bell curve to this- there's 'not enough,' 'just right' and 'dead.' The only exception is lighting, where there's no such thing as too much light, as long as you can maintain room air temps in the 24-26C range.
* Avoid magic sauces. They're mostly water and rarely justify their cost. If there's no solid botanical evidence supporting the use of an additive, skip it. If the mfr doesn't tell you what's in a magic sauce (which is common), you can't establish the scientific evidence necessary to justify the use of any given magic sauce. If you do want to mess with these things, the only way to establish efficacy is to run comparison grows; that means (at least) two crops side by side under the same lighting in the same room. Most grow rooms' conditions are not totally and perfectly climate controlled year-round. They usually vary significantly from crop to crop. Comparisons based on serial crops can be coloured by variations in room conditions. Only side-by-side comparisons eliminate the variations in conditions and give you a clear indication of the merit of any additive. As a rule, find out what works for you and keep doing it the same way. Don't change anything without being strongly convinced that the change is helpful.
* 'Organic' doesn't mean 'good' or even 'better.' In the case of reliable, repeatable, constant rotating harvest ops, inorganic nutes are superior as you can use H2O2 with them. Can't count the number of new growers who get sucked into organics and then have root rot problems they can't solve with 'organic' enzyme-based pathogen controls. Organic nutrients are composed of complex biomatters (e.g. bat guano, worm castings, etc) which the plants can't assimilate directly. You depend upon organic nutrients to break down into N, P & K in the rootzone (at not always well-known rates) before the plants can eat them. May as well use inorganic nutes which are already in that state and also have a solid idea of nutrient strength and bioavailability, as well as have the ability to use (regularly applied) H2O2, which is a sure-fire, every single time solution to root probs.
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bigjesse1922
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Yeah I read that on your journal!
Good stuff there!!
Good stuff there!!
grow space
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nice man, i like.
keep it up.....
keep it up.....
GypsyBush
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bigjesse1922
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Thanks man! I will give you some rep + when I can!
Its all good!ooops sorry..
GypsyBush
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bigjesse1922
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I chose to go with 6 gallon pots for my final 2 weeks or so of veg and all of flower.
The plants were in some small, 1 gallon containers and, as you can see below, had themselves rootbound within 30 days, very rootbound!
So, I made some soil with 1 tablespoon lime and 1 tablespoon rootzone per gallon, at a 5:3 ratio, Fox Farm Ocean Forest to Fox Farm Light Warrior.
After some input from SpruceZeus, I watered with 96oz of ph'd h2o with 1/4 ounce superthrive, per gallon. I did get some MINOR run off. I will have to wait and see how long they take to dry out and adjust. Given that the pot is mostly just dirt with some little roots in the center, I am expecting it will take 4 to 5 days.
Anyway, the new layout of the room is shown. How do you guys/gals like how I have the pots arranged under the light? Think it is the best arrangement in terms of getting all the plants closet to the lights?
Well feedback is appreciated, as always! I think I am gonna grow some giant nugs in these 6 gallon containers!
The plants were in some small, 1 gallon containers and, as you can see below, had themselves rootbound within 30 days, very rootbound!
So, I made some soil with 1 tablespoon lime and 1 tablespoon rootzone per gallon, at a 5:3 ratio, Fox Farm Ocean Forest to Fox Farm Light Warrior.
After some input from SpruceZeus, I watered with 96oz of ph'd h2o with 1/4 ounce superthrive, per gallon. I did get some MINOR run off. I will have to wait and see how long they take to dry out and adjust. Given that the pot is mostly just dirt with some little roots in the center, I am expecting it will take 4 to 5 days.
Anyway, the new layout of the room is shown. How do you guys/gals like how I have the pots arranged under the light? Think it is the best arrangement in terms of getting all the plants closet to the lights?
Well feedback is appreciated, as always! I think I am gonna grow some giant nugs in these 6 gallon containers!
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bigjesse1922
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Thanks man welcome to my grow!
I already have new growth this morning, so the plants have taken well!
Yeah, I used an old pot, the same size prior to the transplant. I filled the pot up so that when I put the plant in, it would be the correct height.
Then, I put an actual pot of the same size in and filled dirt around it. Once removed, it provides a perfect place to pot the plant in its new container!
Thundercat
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Lol, thanks for the name drop gypsy.
Hey Jesse I've been reading through, and it looks like shits going pretty good man. Your girls look nice. I was running 1400w technically, but the 400w was like 3 inchs above one plant in particular, so it didn't effect the rest of the garden much.
How much veg time you have in so far, I lost track? My girls had 2 months, and I got about 4oz off each of my girls except the afghan kush, this one skunk that was actually 3 in one pot, and my ww clones(4 in one pot flowered at 6inchs) I topped all of my plants multiple times also. And removed any fan leaves that blocked a bud site, to encourage branching. For a long time my girls looked kinda bare with out many fan leaves, but they grew real nice, and bushy. My logic was to focus any growth energy on bud sites, not fan leavs. I was pretty happy. My sativas were alittle airy, but they were pure sativas, thats how they are from everything I have read. Looks like your girls will have a nice home in those pots.
Well I'm subscribed so I'm looking forward to seeing things through with ya man!
TC
bigjesse1922
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Yeah, you are famous LOL. Welcome Tc!
Thanks man! I think so myself!
Ok, so I got the clones on 6/21. The biggest plant (BB) was 2 weeks older than the rest and had a nice root system. The other 4 clones were just in little peat plugs and barely had any roots poking out. So about a 31 days of veg so far as of today.
I topped (FIM) my BB plant and have left the rest to grow naturally. Yesterday I took 2-3 clones off each plant to clear some of the area near the base, to improve airflow, and have some clones
I may end up doin a FIM to the hashberry but am going to leave the skunks alone, as I have been told they don't take well to topping by the guy who I got the clones from. I also remove some fan leaves, although not quite as many as you. I won't do it in flower anymore however, as one time I had budrot from it. If you have had problems with grey mold deep in large colas....it might be from the same thing! Make sure you give them time to recover before the open wound on the stem gets covered by bud!
Hell ya man I am excited to have you! I have always wanted to grow some shrooms myself!Well I'm subscribed so I'm looking forward to seeing things through with ya man!
Thundercat
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SOunds good man, few more weeks, and those girls will be looking like some good bushes. I agree about trimming leaves during flowering. That is were the bits of mold I had came from. They were dead though, I didn't wanna leave them hanging there, lol. Any way, I got all my hydro gear today, and a badass new reflector for my 1000w. Its like 33"x20" I think, air cooled. Well I'll catch ya later man. Peace TC
bigjesse1922
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For real TC I am excited for ya!
Jig they are happy as can be
I think my soil needs better drainage in the future though so I am kinda depressed about that...but they have all grown 2.5-3.5" since Tuesday! And that's just vertical growth, of course, not to mention ALL the side growth and branching!
bigjesse1922
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So check out the difference 6 gallons of soil and 1 week makes...
The first pic is 7 days ago today when I transplanted and the rest were taken today about 20 minutes ago! Thanks to JigFresh for his help posting!
Let me know what you all think! See any difference?
I have a goal of about 4'z per plant for the 5 big girls. How much more veg time do you guys think I am looking at?
Well I am pretty stoked with the progress I have to say! Get back to me!
The first pic is 7 days ago today when I transplanted and the rest were taken today about 20 minutes ago! Thanks to JigFresh for his help posting!
Let me know what you all think! See any difference?
I have a goal of about 4'z per plant for the 5 big girls. How much more veg time do you guys think I am looking at?
Well I am pretty stoked with the progress I have to say! Get back to me!
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bigjesse1922
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......Bump!