INCOME TAXES ARE ILLEGAL: so don't pay.

jrh72582

jrh72582

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TheBrutalTruth said:
Hardly, but the system you're proposing is like watching some one break their legs through stupidity, and then letting them break your legs so that both of you are screwed. Which is absolutely retarded.
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What system did I propose? I don't every remember doing so. I just wanted to make sure that you understand the absolute necessity of unemployment for capitalism to thrive (not that we've had any semblance of capitalism for 10 years). There must be a contingency of unemployed to keep wages down and provide viable workforces for new companies. It's a simple point.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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jrh72582 said:
What system did I propose? I don't every remember doing so. I just wanted to make sure that you understand the absolute necessity of unemployment for capitalism to thrive (not that we've had any semblance of capitalism for 10 years). There must be a contingency of unemployed to keep wages down and provide viable workforces for new companies. It's a simple point.
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10 years, try 60+ JRH, or going on 100 if you use the establishment of the monopolistic Federal Reserve as a bench mark for the destruction of the capitalist system that the United States was built upon.
 
kmann666

kmann666

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jrh72582 said:
Clearly your Canadian education didn't teach you irony and hyperbole. I was making a joke dude?:peace:
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I can take a joke, I'm sorry but recently I've read so much jargin and bullshit on here dogging Canadian citizens it really pisses me off!!! most of the reasons for it are unfounded! but obviously you know what you're talking about "HYPERBOLE" what a word!!!!! of course I'm just kidding:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::joint::joint:
its not one you hear that often!!!!
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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kmann666 said:
I can take a joke, I'm sorry but recently I've read so much jargin and bullshit on here dogging Canadian citizens it really pisses me off!!! most of the reasons for it are unfounded! but obviously you know what you're talking about "HYPERBOLE" what a word!!!!! of course I'm just kidding:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::joint::joint:
its not one you hear that often!!!!
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Do you love your high taxes, kmann?
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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jrh72582 said:
Agreed. I should have said at least 10 years.
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No harm, no foul, politics is so incredibly... STATIC.

Same BS in Ancient Rome
Same BS in Ancient Babylon
Same BS in Athens
Same BS in England
Same BS in the United States

one would think that after 2,000 years of suffering from bureaucrats that consistently prove that they are no more human (but often times less human) than the rest of us that society would be sick of trying to form "good" governments, whatever the heck that elusive ideal is supposed to mean.
 
kmann666

kmann666

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TheBrutalTruth said:
Do you love your high taxes, kmann?
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you know actually we don't really pay that much compared to other nations,(some Europeans pay up to 50%) but if I pay taxes to my government so they can make my country better, than so be it, that's just what I'll do, and its not like I've ever experienced another way before, so I don't see the big deal. Have any of the people on here NEVER had to pay taxes before, unless they are 5 years old, probably not. So I'm not sure what the point of all this is?
Just saying this thread was made by someone who was depressed and didn't want to pay taxes anymore, boo fucking hoo!!!!! You HAVE to no matter where you go.:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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kmann666 said:
you know actually we don't really pay that much compared to other nations,(some Europeans pay up to 50%) but if I pay taxes to my government so they can make my country better, than so be it, that's just what I'll do, and its not like I've ever experienced another way before, so I don't see the big deal. Have any of the people on here NEVER had to pay taxes before, unless they are 5 years old, probably not. So I'm not sure what the point of all this is?
Just saying this thread was made by someone who was depressed and didn't want to pay taxes anymore, boo fucking hoo!!!!! You HAVE to no matter where you go.:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:
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Yeah, well just because you've never experienced a different way, doesn't mean that there isn't a better way. And no one is saying abolish taxes completely (though that would be nice) we're saying abolish income taxes, which punish hardwork, and when coupled with the welfare state reward sloth, laziness, and spendthrift behavior.

Alternative systems such as Tariffs (which was the way the government was funded before the Federal Reserve and Income Taxes) can be used, and provide an incentive for companies to build factories inside the country to avoid tariffs.

Then there's the National Retail Sales Tax (FairTax) which would replace the income tax with a sales tax and require a much smaller, efficient IRS, because the number of collection points would shrink from 200+ Million to a few million or even less, as the government would only be collecting at retail sites. It would also result in the government being less invasive in people's lives.

Of course, the FairTax would cause problems for the Fascist Police State, because no longer would the government be able to violate the 4th amendment against search with out probable cause, and thus individuals would once again be secure in their property, papers and homes from the tyranny of the State.

There's also the aspect of the fact that the income tax is an immoral system that is similar to slavery, because it is collected using force and coercion, (a trait that it could be argued that Tariffs would share) unlike the FairTax which would be voluntary, because people could just not make purchases if they wanted to save their money free of taxes. It wouldn't punish hardwork, thrift and accumulation of wealth and thus would ultimately make it easier for people to build up wealth, and start their own businesses. Which would increase the dynamicism and resiliency of the economy, and allow for more people to migrate from the lower and middle classes to the upper classes.
 
Dolce Vita

Dolce Vita

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TheBrutalTruth said:
Yeah, well just because you've never experienced a different way, doesn't mean that there isn't a better way. And no one is saying abolish taxes completely (though that would be nice) we're saying abolish income taxes, which punish hardwork, and when coupled with the welfare state reward sloth, laziness, and spendthrift behavior.

Alternative systems such as Tariffs (which was the way the government was funded before the Federal Reserve and Income Taxes) can be used, and provide an incentive for companies to build factories inside the country to avoid tariffs.

Then there's the National Retail Sales Tax (FairTax) which would replace the income tax with a sales tax and require a much smaller, efficient IRS, because the number of collection points would shrink from 200+ Million to a few million or even less, as the government would only be collecting at retail sites. It would also result in the government being less invasive in people's lives.

Of course, the FairTax would cause problems for the Fascist Police State, because no longer would the government be able to violate the 4th amendment against search with out probable cause, and thus individuals would once again be secure in their property, papers and homes from the tyranny of the State.

There's also the aspect of the fact that the income tax is an immoral system that is similar to slavery, because it is collected using force and coercion, (a trait that it could be argued that Tariffs would share) unlike the FairTax which would be voluntary, because people could just not make purchases if they wanted to save their money free of taxes. It wouldn't punish hardwork, thrift and accumulation of wealth and thus would ultimately make it easier for people to build up wealth, and start their own businesses. Which would increase the dynamicism and resiliency of the economy, and allow for more people to migrate from the lower and middle classes to the upper classes.
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well think-ed sir :clap:
 
Phenom420

Phenom420

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I'd say open a shell corp
pay your bills though it
pocket most under the table....
dont live like a fool...
a new porsche will get you looked at by more than girls, the cops will wonder a bit also.
learn to blend have some good proof your somewhere on the legal line, other wise you will be in the state pen.

SOME states have laws that if your charged with resell the IRS can charge you with tax evasion unless you pay state tax.
Isn't that fucked, if you sell weed you might have to pay taxes on it unless you want a new problem up yer ass.
I cant remember what states have it but you have to pay taxes for something they say is illegal and immoral and blah blah blah BUT they want the money!
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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kmann666 said:
you know actually we don't really pay that much compared to other nations,(some Europeans pay up to 50%) but if I pay taxes to my government so they can make my country better, than so be it, that's just what I'll do, and its not like I've ever experienced another way before, so I don't see the big deal. Have any of the people on here NEVER had to pay taxes before, unless they are 5 years old, probably not. So I'm not sure what the point of all this is?
Just saying this thread was made by someone who was depressed and didn't want to pay taxes anymore, boo fucking hoo!!!!! You HAVE to no matter where you go.:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:
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You state you HAVE to pay taxes. I'll assume that's because you realize that any government will use force to MAKE you if you don't. My question is - Should you have to? What if a person lives in the Yukon in a Cabin and wants to be left alone...should they have to pay taxes?
 
Phenom420

Phenom420

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Why should any of us have to pay when obama want to use it for illegals and minorities.

His health care he wants the rich to pay for the poor's health care by adding 5.4% onto their taxes.
If you don't have health care and dont take the gov they will spank you.
fuck obama and his bullshit
cant wait till this fucks term is up maybe they will throw him out b4 it is too late
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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jrh72582 said:
I just wanted to make sure that you understand the absolute necessity of unemployment for capitalism to thrive (not that we've had any semblance of capitalism for 10 years).
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Well Obama must really really agree with you. Unemployment is at 9.5%....and climbing. Does that make him an Uber Capitalist, or just simply wrong?
 
medicineman

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Pay up now children, how silly of you. We musn't keep those jewish bankers waiting for their profits, (The jewish owned FED), Now can we. I say we nationalize the FED, yeah I said it, Government owned money supply. Now does that make me a communist?
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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medicineman said:
Pay up now children, how silly of you. We musn't keep those jewish bankers waiting for their profits, (The jewish owned FED), Now can we. I say we nationalize the FED, yeah I said it, Government owned money supply. Now does that make me a communist?
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Not at all. I can agree with nationalizing the Fed, but I don't think giving government control of the money supply is a viable solution.

Weimar Republic
Rome
Zimbabwe
The monarchies of Europe during the Middle Ages
Japan
China
Britain

all that control of the money supply does is allow government to debase the currency. The real solution is to repeal legal tender laws and allow people to use gold, silver and copper coins as currency. The only thing the government needs to do is set a fixed system of weights and measures that correspond to units (Dollar, Quarter-Dollar, etc.) like they were required to do under the Constitution.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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TheBrutalTruth said:
Not at all. I can agree with nationalizing the Fed, but I don't think giving government control of the money supply is a viable solution.

Weimar Republic
Rome
Zimbabwe
The monarchies of Europe during the Middle Ages
Japan
China
Britain

all that control of the money supply does is allow government to debase the currency. The real solution is to repeal legal tender laws and allow people to use gold, silver and copper coins as currency. The only thing the government needs to do is set a fixed system of weights and measures that correspond to units (Dollar, Quarter-Dollar, etc.) like they were required to do under the Constitution.
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Well, We all know that will never happen, It's not even possible to accomplish with this modern society with credit cards and such. Try to take away peoples cards and you'll see a real revolt. You'd have to change peoples minds and we can see how difficult that is, some form of massive brainwashing. Also, I seriously doubt that without a huge influx of gold, (Kinda like the lost Inca gold), there would be enough gold to mint enough coins to cover the wealth of americans. Can you envision how many truckloads of gold it would take just to cover Bill Gates, How about the Walmart heirs, no, we can never return to the gold standard. Too many people.
 
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