Botanicare Sweet vs. Molasses

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SlikWiLL13

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werent we talking about maple syrup or something like that? i was certain i wasnt posting in the 'beergirls, baloons, and boners' thread.
 
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syze

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so many posts and what is it that you are giving? bull shit, how many different kinds of molasses are there? and most idiots use blackstrap molasses. And about reading ingredients, im only talking about SweetLeaf, not Carboload, maybe YOU should read ingredients, but first you need to learn the chemistry of the plant your growing and then you can check up on the differences in molasses as well, and maybe then you can answer but not just trying to grab info on a website that states molasses but not the one of the many different types, just is so that blackstrap molasses isnt the best for plants and sad fact is most people use the stuff ! about price for Advanced, yeah is expensive for the US, dont quote me please unless you have a lil more for me, half ass statements, later . would be cool to explain a lil on the diff types of molasses and which one is good for your plants, THERE, a lil more for you to look into so you can maybe then know it all
SlikWiLL13 said:
here....great read on molasses. credit goes to the Three Little Birds for this great article.




Sweet Organic Goodness - Magical Molasses
There are a number of different nutrient and fertilizer companies selling a variety of additives billed as carbohydrate booster products for plants. Usually retailing for tens of dollars per gallon if not tens of dollars per liter, these products usually claim to work as a carbohydrate source for plants. A variety of benefits are supposed to be unlocked by the use of these products, including the relief of plant stresses and increases in the rate of nutrient uptake. On the surface it sounds real good, and while these kinds of products almost always base their claims in enough science to sound good, reality doesn’t always live up to the hype.

The 3LB are pretty well known for our distrust of nutrient companies like Advanced Nutrients who produce large lines of products (usually with large accompanying price tags) claiming to be a series of “magic bullets” - unlocking the keys to growing success for new and experienced growers alike. One member of the three_little_birds grower’s and breeder’s collective decided to sample one of these products a while back, intending to give the product a fair trial and then report on the results to the community at Cannabis World.

Imagine, if you will, Tweetie bird flying off to the local hydroponics store, purchasing a bottle of the wonder product - “Super Plant Carb!” (not it’s real name) - and then dragging it back to the bird’s nest. With a sense of expectation our lil’ bird opens the lid, hoping to take a peek and a whiff of this new (and expensive) goodie for our wonderful plants. She is greeted with a familiar sweet smell that it takes a moment to place. Then the realization hits her. . .

Molasses! The “Super Plant Carb!” smells just like Blackstrap Molasses. At the thought that she’s just paid something like $15 for a liter of molasses, our Tweetie bird scowls. Surely she tells herself there must be more to this product than just molasses. So she dips a wing into the sweet juice ever so slightly, and brings it up to have a taste.

Much the same way a sneaky Sylvester cat is exposed by a little yellow bird saying - “I thought I saw a puddy tat . . . I did I did see a puddy tat . . . and he’s standing right there!” - our Tweetie bird had discovered the essence of this product. It was indeed nothing more than Blackstrap Molasses, a quick taste had conformed for our Tweetie bird that she had wasted her time and effort lugging home a very expensive bottle of plant food additive. Molasses is something we already use for gardening at the Bird’s Nest. In fact sweeteners like molasses have long been a part of the arsenal of common products used by organic gardeners to bring greater health to their soils and plants.

So please listen to the little yellow bird when she chirps, because our Tweetie bird knows her stuff. The fertilizer companies are like the bumbling Sylvester in many ways, but rather than picturing themselves stuffed with a little bird, they see themselves growing fat with huge profits from the wallets of unsuspecting consumers. Let us assure you it’s not the vision of yellow feathers floating in front of their stuffed mouths that led these executives in their attempt to “pounce” on the plant growing public.

And the repackaging of molasses as plant food or plant additive is not just limited to the companies selling their products in hydroponic stores. Folks shopping at places like Wal-Mart are just as likely to be taken in by this tactic. In this particular case the offending party is Schultz® Garden Safe All Purpose Liquid Plant Food 3-1-5. This is a relatively inexpensive product that seems appealing to a variety of organic gardeners. Here’s Shultz own description of their product.

“Garden Safe Liquid Plant Foods are made from plants in a patented technology that provides plants with essential nutrients for beautiful flowers and foliage and no offensive smell. Plus they improve soils by enhancing natural microbial activity. Great for all vegetables, herbs, flowers, trees, shrubs and houseplants including roses, tomatoes, fruits, and lawns. Derived from completely natural ingredients, Garden Safe All Purpose Liquid Plant Food feeds plants and invigorates soil microbial activity. Made from sugar beet roots! No offensive manure or fish odors.”

That sure sounds good, and the three_little_birds will even go as far as to say we agree 100% with all the claims made in that little blurb of ad copy. But here’s the problem, Shultz isn’t exactly telling the public that the bottle of “fertilizer” they are buying is nothing more than a waste product derived from the production of sugar. In fact, Schultz® Garden Safe 3-1-5 Liquid Plant Food is really and truly nothing more than a form molasses derived from sugar beet processing that is usually used as an animal feed sweetener. If you don’t believe a band of birds, go ahead and look for yourself at the fine print on a Garden Safe bottle where it says - “Contains 3.0% Water Soluble Nitrogen, 1.0% Available Phosphate, 5.0% Soluble Potash - derived from molasses.”

The only problem we see, is that animal feed additives shouldn’t be retailing for $7.95 a quart, and that’s the price Shultz is charging for it’s Garden Safe product. While we don’t find that quite as offensive as Advanced Nutrients selling their “CarboLoad” product for $14.00 a liter, we still know that it’s terribly overpriced for sugar processing wastes. So, just as our band of birds gave the scoop on poop in our Guano Guide, we’re now about to give folks the sweet truth about molasses.

(Also, do your own research on this, but molasses can be used for organic pest control too)
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syze

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oh, thats how you got so many posts, and the pic of you fits, to the point!, your kinda like the guy that reads something and hangs on to it, we all know about "this nute company that this nute company this", then we have this typical idiot trying to prove a point but still screwing up using "blackstrap molasses" I cant believe im even degrading myself to your level, Mr,post-for-shit, learn a little more, yeah i fit to the 80% when i speak to gangsters like you
SlikWiLL13 said:
you kinda sound like an 80 percenter. have you ever run a side by side comparison?
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CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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syze said:
oh, thats how you got so many posts, and the pic of you fits, to the point!, your kinda like the guy that reads something and hangs on to it, we all know about "this nute company that this nute company this", then we have this typical idiot trying to prove a point but still screwing up using "blackstrap molasses" I cant believe im even degrading myself to your level, Mr,post-for-shit, learn a little more, yeah i fit to the 80% when i speak to gangsters like you
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Let's just get this clear. You scoff at Slik and berate his post numbers, but FDD is treated with kit gloves, even though his posts are enormous?

Tell me also, how does one screw it up with Molasses? Never heard of that on these forums....it's just sugar.....like the high priced over marketed garbage out there.
 
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syze

Member
thats my opinion due to the fact that most are sulfured but , plain and simple who cares, and FDD is treated with KITgloves, are you serious? ok really now, enjoy yourselfs
 
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SlikWiLL13

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HOLY SHIT!! i go to feed the girls and look whats happening!



mr syze i have a feeling you could use some blood pressure meds.

and for the record...i dont use molasses, i just said the sweet products are comparable.
 
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fdd2blk

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wtf are "KIT" gloves? i always thought it was "kid".


http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2026/whats-the-origin-of-to-treat-with-kid-gloves

It's kid gloves, kid. And I'm not kidding, kiddo.
OK, so, seriously, "kid gloves" were made from the skin of a young goat or lamb or similar. Such gloves were softer and finer than gloves made from harder leathers, and so became a symbol of elegance and gentility in the early 1800s. The term "handle with kid gloves" thus means to be very gentle or tactful. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the term was first used in that sense (or written, anyway) in the 1830s.
Around the 1850s, saying that someone "wore kid gloves" was also a way of saying the person was very dainty, a person who avoided any real exertion or everyday work--far more genteel and upper class than us folk.
The American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms raises the very interesting contrast to "handle without gloves" or "take off the gloves" to mean harsh treatment, nitty-gritty, down and dirty. They suggest that "handle without gloves" was an antonym arising from "handle with kid gloves"; however, other sources suggest that "take off the gloves" comes from boxing, where the padded gloves soften the blow, so removing the gloves suggests rough treatment.
It's interesting that the same expression should have come to be used in both the positive ("handle with kid gloves") and negative ("take off the gloves") sense. Etymology is a wonderful thing.
— Dex
 
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smellychronic

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If you follow the feeding schedule on the bottle of Sweet, it says use Sweet every watering up till 2 weeks before harvest. You must do a full and complete flush if you do, your buds will smell and taste like it.
 
phatlip

phatlip

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Advanced Nutrients Truly work fantastic... I love AN... However Mollasses is the secret ingredient in many organic fertilizers... Mollasses and honey work really well.. also adding sugar during last six weeks can augment harvest up to 20%
 
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