Advice on Early Stages with Current Setup

contemptx

Member
Ok,

I have the following setup:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=130295728646

I have additional Autopots & a 600w light instead though,

Im going to be growing from seeds, I know how to germ the seeds, however after that im a little stuck...

As I only have 1 Tent & a 600W light (No Prop light)

I was wondering what the best option would be to proceed?


Is there a way I can make my current setup work for the early stages?

OR

Whats the least expensive option..

e.g.

Purchase a 110w prop light, cfl's and use that instead of my 600W? and put the sprouted seeds into my autopots?

Get a propigator and stick that under my 600W


Thanks for your help.
 

contemptx

Member
My main concerns are

Where to put the germed seeds

e.g. into rockwell cubes or similar or Directly into the autopots?
If i put the germed seeds directly into the autopots, I assume I will not run the autopots and just manually water them until they are more established

and yes that the 600w light is too much light too early on
 

simpsonsampson420

Well-Known Member
My main concerns are

Where to put the germed seeds

e.g. into rockwell cubes or similar or Directly into the autopots?
If i put the germed seeds directly into the autopots, I assume I will not run the autopots and just manually water them until they are more established

and yes that the 600w light is too much light too early on
i would highly recommend using rooting cubes of some sort and establishing a nice root system prior to placing in the auto pots... i personally like rapidrooter starter plugs.. but rockwool or jiffy pellets are fine too.. heres a link to the rapidrooter starter plugs http://www.wormsway.com/detail.aspx?t=prod&sku=RST300&AC=1

you may want to get a cfl or a floro for this.. however you can use the 600w lamp.. as long as you are careful..

to do this start with the lamp a few feet above the sprouts... obviously you understand they dont need a lot of light early on.... as they start growing up, you start moving the light down.... you may get a little bit of stretching.. but if they are stretching you know they can use more light, so you can bring it closer.. after a week or two you should have the light close to where it should be anyways....

now depending on if you plan on taking clones later you may want to consider the floro now.. but thats your call..
 

contemptx

Member
Actually I purchased some of those rapidrooter plugs earlyer today as I read a few other posts mentioning them,

However to use them would I put the germed seed into them and then into the autopot? if not were would I put them?

Also what would you say a good light on / off cycle would be to start with and how far the light should be away from them? 20 inches? or more?

I read that watering should be done every 2 / 3 days?

Thanks for your help
 

simpsonsampson420

Well-Known Member
Actually I purchased some of those rapidrooter plugs earlyer today as I read a few other posts mentioning them,

However to use them would I put the germed seed into them and then into the autopot? if not were would I put them?

Also what would you say a good light on / off cycle would be to start with and how far the light should be away from them? 20 inches? or more?

I read that watering should be done every 2 / 3 days?

Thanks for your help


i assume you have some hydroton or something for your pots right??

all you do is germ the seed in the plug, until roots are coming out of the sides, and then place into the pots... fill them about 1/4 to 1/2 with hydroton, place your plug in, and back fill with hydroton.. or whatever medium you are using to keep the plants upright.. this should take about 7 days or so from start....

as far as the light i would start about 24" above the sprouts... that should be plenty far away.. keep a fan moving air around the sprouts to help them stay cool in under the light...

i personally like a 24/0 schedule with hydro/areo only because they have a constant supply of all the water and nutes they need and keep up with the 24/0 schedule better... you may choose to start with 24/0 and move to a 20/4 or 18/6 in a week or two tho.. it will save you some money on electrical... and if heat is an issue later on, it can give everything a cool down period...

now with the feeding you kinda got me confused.. first to make sure you are growing aeroponics right?? if so they feed pretty much all day via a misters/sprayer in the system itself... i dont use aero so i cant tell you like GPH flow you want or anything.. but most either spray a lite mist all the time, or mist a little heavier for a couple minutes every 5 or 10 minutes... or are you talking about 2/3 times per day?? in which you would need to spray more frequently than that...
 

BZDR

Member
i assume you have some hydroton or something for your pots right??

all you do is germ the seed in the plug, until roots are coming out of the sides, and then place into the pots... fill them about 1/4 to 1/2 with hydroton, place your plug in, and back fill with hydroton.. or whatever medium you are using to keep the plants upright.. this should take about 7 days or so from start....

as far as the light i would start about 24" above the sprouts... that should be plenty far away.. keep a fan moving air around the sprouts to help them stay cool in under the light...

i personally like a 24/0 schedule with hydro/areo only because they have a constant supply of all the water and nutes they need and keep up with the 24/0 schedule better... you may choose to start with 24/0 and move to a 20/4 or 18/6 in a week or two tho.. it will save you some money on electrical... and if heat is an issue later on, it can give everything a cool down period...

now with the feeding you kinda got me confused.. first to make sure you are growing aeroponics right?? if so they feed pretty much all day via a misters/sprayer in the system itself... i dont use aero so i cant tell you like GPH flow you want or anything.. but most either spray a lite mist all the time, or mist a little heavier for a couple minutes every 5 or 10 minutes... or are you talking about 2/3 times per day?? in which you would need to spray more frequently than that...

After the seeds are sprouted and you put them in the rockwool but BEFORE you put them in your pots (while you are waiting for the roots to come out), where should you put them and how should you keep them?

Also do you know anything about SOG? How far should I fill the water up?
 

simpsonsampson420

Well-Known Member
After the seeds are sprouted and you put them in the rockwool but BEFORE you put them in your pots (while you are waiting for the roots to come out), where should you put them and how should you keep them?

Also do you know anything about SOG? How far should I fill the water up?
aahh... get yourself a little tray that can hold a little water in it.. or a bowl.. really it doesnt much matter.. anything you can sit them on that can resist water... they have starter trays with domes like this http://www.wormsway.com/detail.aspx?t=prod&sku=MGT&AC=1 that you can get at gardening stores... but you can get the basic idea of what you need from it...

SOG has nothing to do with water... sog is a style of grow in which there are many many smaller plants, usually straight to 12/12 clones...
 

contemptx

Member
simpsonsampson420,

The medium that came with my kit is: BioBizz AllMix Soil & Clay Pebbles
that sound about right?

I get now from the link you provided that I should indeed get a propigator or (starter tray / dome) which in there I put the germed seeds that are in the autorooters etc..

As for your aeroponic question, I dont have a propigator yet, would you say its better to get an aeroponic propigator or just a heated / non heater propigator?

As for feeding / watering, so an aeroponic propigator basically takes care of the watering by the sounds of it?
what would you suggest regarding watering / feeding in a heated / non heated propigator?

Again thank you for your help you have made things alot clearer.
 

simpsonsampson420

Well-Known Member
simpsonsampson420,

The medium that came with my kit is: BioBizz AllMix Soil & Clay Pebbles
that sound about right?

I get now from the link you provided that I should indeed get a propigator or (starter tray / dome) which in there I put the germed seeds that are in the autorooters etc..

As for your aeroponic question, I dont have a propigator yet, would you say its better to get an aeroponic propigator or just a heated / non heater propigator?

As for feeding / watering, so an aeroponic propigator basically takes care of the watering by the sounds of it?
what would you suggest regarding watering / feeding in a heated / non heated propigator?

Again thank you for your help you have made things alot clearer.

you dont need a dome to root.. but it makes life easier... you can use a cheap tray or whatever to sit the roots on.. the dome just helps to hold in moisture for clones and seeds starters.. but as long as you keep them moist yourself you dont need anything fancy...

the clay pellets are fine... its basically just a neutral medium that holds the plant in place... since with aero your roots are actually suspended in air, the only thing the pellets are for is that purpose.. so those are perfectly fine...

so i checked the link you had in the original post and now i understand it more.. LOL its not an aeroponic system.. its just a drip feed system... now now i can help a little more with it...

the system does feed itself... it uses gravity to run the water from the reservoir into the pots... i am sure it drains from the bottom of the reservoir, so you'll want the reservoir above the pots so it draing down into them.. im guessing that its not a recirculating one, and its on a timer or something that regulates how much water is released.... so the only thing you would want to get for the actual reservoir would be an air stone or something like that to keep the nute solution mixed and well aerated...

since unless you can run the reservoir from somewhere cooler, or can keep the grow tent around 70 degrees, you might want to consider a water chiller also.. this is an expensive investment.. but well well well well worth it.. if temps are too warm in your reservoir is can cause slow/stopped growth in your plants, cook your roots, and cause algae to grow in your reservoir... temps at 85F and over are no good... you shouldnt have to worry about temps if you get one of these because you can set the temp and it keeps in there...

if you want to do the home remedy thing, you can freeze a bunch of water bottles and rotate them in and out as need to keep the temp around 70F in the reservoir... which is ideally what you want.. i struggled for the first few weeks of my hydro grow to keep my plants alive and get any growth out of them... my temps were around 85F all the way up to 95+ at times.. i got an aqua chiller and my plants have exploded with growth... it would have been on the top of my list of purchases if i would have known what a difference it would make.. just a suggestion tho...

now yes, an aero systems sprays its roots constantly.. but the system you have is a gravity feed system.. but it still will water itself.. you will want to invest in some good hydroponic nutes... technaflora, general hydroponics, fox farm, advanced nutes are names of good quality and time tested nutes.. what kind you get will depend on what sounds best to you and sounds like will work the best in your situation.. whether its a 2 or 3 part system, and what supplements you get will be up to how much money you have and how much work you want to do...

you will also want to get a ph and ec meter.. the ph meter will tell you what the ph of your reservoir is.. this is important because if it is to high or to low you will get nute lock out... you'll want to purchase some ph up and ph down to adjust this.. if you want to go the home remedy route you can use lemon juice or vinegar to lower it and baking soda to raise it... the ec will tell you the same thing as the ppm, which is the strength of your solution.. you ideally want a ppm around 1000 or so... but if you watch how your plants react to the nutes you can tell if they are wanting more or less...

its hard to say how much or how often to feed as i dont know much about the system.. it will say a recommended feeding schedule in it... or at least it should...
 

BZDR

Member
aahh... get yourself a little tray that can hold a little water in it.. or a bowl.. really it doesnt much matter.. anything you can sit them on that can resist water... they have starter trays with domes like this http://www.wormsway.com/detail.aspx?t=prod&sku=MGT&AC=1 that you can get at gardening stores... but you can get the basic idea of what you need from it...

SOG has nothing to do with water... sog is a style of grow in which there are many many smaller plants, usually straight to 12/12 clones...

Thanks for clearing up that info for me. I have one last question!!!

This is what I got ( I had it given to me, so I did not choose):


http://cgi.ebay.com/WORLDS-MOST-INEXPENSIVE-HYDROPONIC-GARDEN-GROW-SYSTEM_W0QQitemZ260426254147QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca29d4743&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=65:1|66:2|39:1|293:1|294:50

It doesn't have any drips or sprayers, so how are they supposed to get water?

Or if you could tell me how that would work/point me in the right direction.

Thanks much
 

simpsonsampson420

Well-Known Member
Thanks for clearing up that info for me. I have one last question!!!

This is what I got ( I had it given to me, so I did not choose):


http://cgi.ebay.com/WORLDS-MOST-INEXPENSIVE-HYDROPONIC-GARDEN-GROW-SYSTEM_W0QQitemZ260426254147QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ca29d4743&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=65:1|66:2|39:1|293:1|294:50

It doesn't have any drips or sprayers, so how are they supposed to get water?

Or if you could tell me how that would work/point me in the right direction.

Thanks much
from the look of things you add water to the tub, your roots grow down into the water, and the air tube/pump keep the solution aerated to keep your roots alive... almost like a DWC style.... it this is true you shouldnt need any pumps.. you just have to fill it high enough in the beginning that its full... then i would imagine about half full each time after that.. its hard saying tho.. it didnt come with any instructions or anything?? is that the system that came with the tent or did you get the system that came with the tent in the auction as well??
 

contemptx

Member
Awsome info,

The autopot system I have has a smartvalve that gives the plants a wet & dry cycle,
However I was wondering about the watering cycle etc.. for a heated / non heated propagator?

I have actually just ordered a pump & air stone & as my res will be outside the tent it should be pretty cool and I have a spare fish tank heater which I can use to make sure it doesnt get too cool.

I have a really good PH meter I think its actually the best on the market at the moment which I purchased the other day (spur of the moment thing!) and Plan to buy a good EC Meter in the next few days.


I just stumbled accross this on ebay, to me it kinda sounds too good to be true lol, But it seems it kinda has a standard light so Im unsure if that means it wont work..

Link: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HYDROPONICS-ILLUMINATED-PROPAGATOR-CLONE-CUTTING-SEED_W0QQitemZ110412122366QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_3?hash=item19b51348fe&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=65:12|66:1|39:1|72:2136|293:1|294:25


take a look and tell me what you think.
 

simpsonsampson420

Well-Known Member
does your system recirulate the nutes or is it a drain to waste system?? and do you know how the pot actual fill.. like is it a flood type system or does it just drip at the top and run down??

heres a link to a good cloner.. i had a 30 site and am upgrading to a 60 site... you dont need a dome or anything with it... and ive had 100% success rate.... plus you can leave them in longer to get longer root systems.. you can easy get 10 inch root systems with it... its a little expensive.. but very very worth it.. that one you showed looks kind of shakey.. i dont know.. i am weird about what i get tho.. and also ill put a link to a really good ec meter.. you never need to calibrate it and it shows ec, both ppms, and tds i believe...

http://www.wormsway.com/detail.aspx?t=prod&sku=EZC200&AC=1

http://www.wormsway.com/detail.aspx?t=prod&sku=TRU500&AC=1
 

BZDR

Member
from the look of things you add water to the tub, your roots grow down into the water, and the air tube/pump keep the solution aerated to keep your roots alive... almost like a DWC style.... it this is true you shouldnt need any pumps.. you just have to fill it high enough in the beginning that its full... then i would imagine about half full each time after that.. its hard saying tho.. it didnt come with any instructions or anything?? is that the system that came with the tent or did you get the system that came with the tent in the auction as well??
Thanks for all the help. I havent actually received the unit yet, just haven't picked it from my friend yet. Do you know of any DWC guides you could point me to?

Also, after the seeds have germinated and i put them on a tray (i'll have a cover to keep humidity) how much should I water them/how should I?
 

simpsonsampson420

Well-Known Member
the cloner does not have its own light.. but you can leave it in your tent.. since the bottoms of the plants are constantly being sprayed with water they dont dry out... you may need to spray them once a day for the first few days.. but more than likely not...

its very similar to the cloners you linked above too... the nice thing about the one i showed you tho, is its probably about the size of those, but holds up to 30 clones.. it comes with the sprayers, a pump, and an air stone to keep the cloning solution aerated.. but all of them work on the same principals... so they are all going to work about the same in the end...

Thanks for all the help. I havent actually received the unit yet, just haven't picked it from my friend yet. Do you know of any DWC guides you could point me to?

Also, after the seeds have germinated and i put them on a tray (i'll have a cover to keep humidity) how much should I water them/how should I?

what do you need help with as far as your DWC goes?? be more than glad to help.. here is a link also to an excellent how to resource http://www.instructables.com/id/My_Indoor_DWC_Hydroponics_System/


as far as the seeds go.. before you put them into the cubes, whether its jiffy pellets or rockwool or root riot cubes, you should soak them in water for at least 20 minutes.. some people say to soak rockwool overnight.. i never soak mine more than 30 minutes personally and have had no problems... then squeeze them out untill they dont drip.. this should keep them moist for about 5 days... during which time all i do is spray the top of the cubes if they start drying out with a spray bottle that has rooting solution in it... once the sprouts pop out of the cubes and you waiting for roots to pop out, you can either dunk them in a container of water to re wet them or just spray them with a spray bottle a few times... you will have to spray with a bottle a couple times a day.. or dunk them once and itll last a couple days...i personally like spraying with a bottle.. it seems to keep it moist enough for the roots to grow.. but keeps it dry enough they push out to find more water faster.. which means they seem to grow faster...
 

BZDR

Member
the cloner does not have its own light.. but you can leave it in your tent.. since the bottoms of the plants are constantly being sprayed with water they dont dry out... you may need to spray them once a day for the first few days.. but more than likely not...

its very similar to the cloners you linked above too... the nice thing about the one i showed you tho, is its probably about the size of those, but holds up to 30 clones.. it comes with the sprayers, a pump, and an air stone to keep the cloning solution aerated.. but all of them work on the same principals... so they are all going to work about the same in the end...




what do you need help with as far as your DWC goes?? be more than glad to help.. here is a link also to an excellent how to resource http://www.instructables.com/id/My_Indoor_DWC_Hydroponics_System/


as far as the seeds go.. before you put them into the cubes, whether its jiffy pellets or rockwool or root riot cubes, you should soak them in water for at least 20 minutes.. some people say to soak rockwool overnight.. i never soak mine more than 30 minutes personally and have had no problems... then squeeze them out untill they dont drip.. this should keep them moist for about 5 days... during which time all i do is spray the top of the cubes if they start drying out with a spray bottle that has rooting solution in it... once the sprouts pop out of the cubes and you waiting for roots to pop out, you can either dunk them in a container of water to re wet them or just spray them with a spray bottle a few times... you will have to spray with a bottle a couple times a day.. or dunk them once and itll last a couple days...i personally like spraying with a bottle.. it seems to keep it moist enough for the roots to grow.. but keeps it dry enough they push out to find more water faster.. which means they seem to grow faster...
if i dunk them, i take it i DONT squeeze them out?

I won't be able to mist them throughout the day...
 
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