SOG growers wanted !!!

[saurier]

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Thanks a lot, I was actually planning on using a scale and a syringe, but I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a simpler way. It's no big deal though, I'm willing to do the work, I don't expect to throw some seeds in some pots, turn the lights on, and come back in 3 months expecting all the bud to be cured and bagged haha.

I just did a lookthrough the "batch of clones" thread (my 3rd or 4th), and all I could find was the corner dipping method. I'm a little OCD so I'm glad there's a more precise way to do it. The way I see it is the more variables I can control, the easier it'll be to find a problem (if there is one).

 

[theloadeddragon]

Thanks a lot, I was actually planning on using a scale and a syringe, but I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a simpler way. It's no big deal though, I'm willing to do the work, I don't expect to throw some seeds in some pots, turn the lights on, and come back in 3 months expecting all the bud to be cured and bagged haha.

I just did a lookthrough the "batch of clones" thread (my 3rd or 4th), and all I could find was the corner dipping method. I'm a little OCD so I'm glad there's a more precise way to do it. The way I see it is the more variables I can control, the easier it'll be to find a problem (if there is one).

thats true..... but sometimes those confounding variables come out of nowhere and fuck shit up.... like the power going out

 

[GypsyBush]

after using the scale for many many clones, you will develop the "calibrated hand"...

I have found that after all the weighing, once I got my groove on...

Dipping the corners for one second is the thing to do, but you must have the weight thing down...

otherwise it;s just guessing...

use the scale... after a while, you will find that you don not need it anymore...

 

[sparkafire]

Kapaso Amegoes!! I have to tell you I am damn proud to be able to say i started this damn thing. WOW We have come a long way from the days of the back and forth jabbering. I do miss it though..GB great job keeping the great knowldge rolling. WEED BARONS UNITE!! LOL

Bugs Fuck You!!

Peace

SParky

 

[theloadeddragon]

okay I uploaded pics to my journal in my signature with a harvest/smoke report

 

[GypsyBush]

thanks a lot gypsy, really helped a lot.

I'm probably just going to spring for the 600w...

I must have missed this...

You will not regret it...

Can you give me a run down of your space and ventilation set up?

Let's recap what Al B. Fuct said about venting an OP... remembering that the intake fan is optional for MOST set ups...

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I was just recommending to anther member earlier today...

check this out... $246.95 with the cooltube option...

I have 2 of these and love them...

http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=48956

Dedicate a fan like this to cool the light...

http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=52557

and exhaust/control odor with this combo...

http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=52609

 

[grandpabear3]

Hey Bugs, did you say awhile back that you had mothers in soil?

i was going to but decided against it. just kept them in f&d and sectioned them off. a lil too good. mold issues and 1 mom died. oops.

And the premier over poster in others threads.

the gypsy means well

Kapaso Amegoes!! I have to tell you I am damn proud to be able to say i started this damn thing. WOW We have come a long way from the days of the back and forth jabbering. I do miss it though..GB great job keeping the great knowldge rolling. WEED BARONS UNITE!! LOL

Bugs Fuck You!!

Peace

SParky

god i miss you!

 

[theloadeddragon]

yeah for my last indoor grow..... ventilation and plant potting arrangements are the only things I would have changed..... but you will see the difference in my next indoor grow (starting late August or September for the perfect winter harvest, . I really want to employ my 1000W alongside 2 600W HPS in a much larger area, maybe add in two 250's too, yeah, much larger area ...... anyways, for this last grow Intake was crucial, especially climate control intake.... but its all in my journal, temps are a bitch!

 

[grandpabear3]

i was running a puny 5600btu window unit and it finally died in the heat. temps in the op soared to 117 degrees. upgrading to a 12000btu stand alone unit. my 2 1000w 'ers were too much for the lil one.

 

[GypsyBush]

Did you install the fire sprinklers yet???

 

[saurier]

I must have missed this...

You will not regret it...

Can you give me a run down of your space and ventilation set up?

Let's recap what Al B. Fuct said about venting an OP... remembering that the intake fan is optional for MOST set ups...

​

I was just recommending to anther member earlier today...

check this out... $246.95 with the cooltube option...

I have 2 of these and love them...

http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=48956

Dedicate a fan like this to cool the light...

http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=52557

and exhaust/control odor with this combo...

http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=52609

I'm planning on building my own sort of room out of hard insulating foam (comes in large slabs) and then wallpapering with omniflect. It'll be in the attic of this house I'm moving into in a few months. I'm not totally certain about the dimensions of the room, because I never got to go in the attic when I toured the house so I'm not sure about the space I'll have to work with, but the guy said it was pretty big for an attic.

I'm guessing 6 feet tall, with a 2' x 3' space for the mothers, and a 3.5' x 3'
for flowering, and a seperate clonebox.

I was definitely going to cooltube the 600w and the 250w, but I had no idea what sort of air circulation fans I would need. That's a great deal for a 600w with digital ballast, I was planning on handpicking all the parts, but I figure it'd be easier to have it all together at once, and it'd probably cost more with all the separate shipping anyways.

I was planning on using a 250w for my mothers (planning on having about 6). Al said he used a 400w to support 10, and he said he could probably get by with a 250w, so hopefully it should do the job.

 

[GypsyBush]

I'm planning on building my own sort of room out of hard insulating foam (comes in large slabs) and then wallpapering with omniflect. It'll be in the attic of this house I'm moving into in a few months. I'm not totally certain about the dimensions of the room, because I never got to go in the attic when I toured the house so I'm not sure about the space I'll have to work with, but the guy said it was pretty big for an attic.

Nice.. I have seen a few attic ops here on RIU...

do it right and it will be nice...

But attics are hot by nature...

I would plan on over-sized ventilation... really...

I'm guessing 6 feet tall, with a 2' x 3' space for the mothers, and a 3.5' x 3' for flowering, and a seperate clonebox.

That wold work...

In my op... I have a 3x3 ebb flow tray under each 600... packed with small plants.. 48 to a light... so i would have to be sure to leave walking space around the plants on 3 sides... 2 minimum..

I was definitely going to cooltube the 600w and the 250w, but I had no idea what sort of air circulation fans I would need. That's a great deal for a 600w with digital ballast, I was planning on handpicking all the parts, but I figure it'd be easier to have it all together at once, and it'd probably cost more with all the separate shipping anyways.

Since you will be in the attic, I would NOT SKIMP ON VENTILATION...

Over do it... you can always put a speed controller on you fans and tone them down in the winter...

But I tell you... you are going to need some serious ventilation... ain't no in duct fan gonna cut it...

I was planning on using a 250w for my mothers (planning on having about 6). Al said he used a 400w to support 10, and he said he could probably get by with a 250w, so hopefully it should do the job.

There is more than just area coverage to different wattage HIDs..

the intensity also varies greatly..

I trust Al... he knows his shit...

But I must say that a 400 will give you much better clones that a 250...

Think Vigor ...

I use a 400w t5 in my mom room... and it works well too...

I'm just afraid that a wimpy light will give you wimpy clones... and that sucks ass...

You want Nice Fat clones... the kind that intense light gives you...

Just my thought though...

 

[grandpabear3]

Did you install the fire sprinklers yet???

you cut me real deep just then ............f'n gypsies

 

[GypsyBush]

you cut me real deep just then ............f'n gypsies

well.... you started it... the fire I mean...

I'd consider it...

 

[saurier]

Nice.. I have seen a few attic ops here on RIU...

do it right and it will be nice...

But attics are hot by nature...

I would plan on over-sized ventilation... really...

word, i don't plan on it, definitely willing to spend money on some large inline fans. If I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it right.

That wold work...

In my op... I have a 3x3 ebb flow tray under each 600... packed with small plants.. 48 to a light... so i would have to be sure to leave walking space around the plants on 3 sides... 2 minimum..

Ha, I hadn't even thought about walking space, I'll plan on making it a little bigger then.

And wow... 48? I thought the max was 4 per sq foot, 9 sq foot x 4 = 36

Since you will be in the attic, I would NOT SKIMP ON VENTILATION...

Over do it... you can always put a speed controller on you fans and tone them down in the winter...

But I tell you... you are going to need some serious ventilation... ain't no in duct fan gonna cut it...

Yeah, speed controller is definitely on my to-buy list.

There is more than just area coverage to different wattage HIDs..

the intensity also varies greatly..

I trust Al... he knows his shit...

But I must say that a 400 will give you much better clones that a 250...

Think Vigor ...

I use a 400w t5 in my mom room... and it works well too...

I'm just afraid that a wimpy light will give you wimpy clones... and that sucks ass...

You want Nice Fat clones... the kind that intense light gives you...

Just my thought though...

I was sort of deciding whether or not to throw the clones in with the moms, or to build a seperate clonebox, but I guess it'd probably be easier to just combine them under one light. Fuck it, I'll just go with a 400w then, no use doing shit halfway.

 

[GypsyBush]

word, i don't plan on it, definitely willing to spend money on some large inline fans. If I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it right.

I like how you think...

Ha, I hadn't even thought about walking space, I'll plan on making it a little bigger then.

It's nice to have room... nothing worse than tripping over shit and dropping your plants cause you can't move...

Ideally, you should be able to walk around the plants 360*...

And wow... 48? I thought the max was 4 per sq foot, 9 sq foot x 4 = 36

Well... the trays are not exact...

And I do pack the in tight, but I don't have huge plants...

To be honest with you, I just put in as many pots as I could fit...

Yeah, speed controller is definitely on my to-buy list.

Nice...

a big fan at half speed is way quieter than a little one balls to wall...

Little fans at full speed get LOUD..

I was sort of deciding whether or not to throw the clones in with the moms, or to build a seperate clonebox, but I guess it'd probably be easier to just combine them under one light. Fuck it, I'll just go with a 400w then, no use doing shit halfway.

You will like the simplicity.. AND... you will have your clones used to HID...

In my set up... the clones just get the "washed" out light from the moms... so some of them wilt bad under the HPS for a day or two..

By having the under the 400, you wil avoid this...

Bro.. You are gonna have a Kick ass set up.. can't wait to see it done...

 

[saurier]

It's nice to have room... nothing worse than tripping over shit and dropping your plants cause you can't move...

Ideally, you should be able to walk around the plants 360*...

I think with the hard insulating foam I'm using, I'll be able to open up an entire wall, so the plan is to have an extra foot of space on one side, and the space created by opening a wall to move around in.

Well... the trays are not exact...

And I do pack the in tight, but I don't have huge plants...

To be honest with you, I just put in as many pots as I could fit...

Haha the reason I ask is because I explained my plan to another grower I know, and he said that he wouldn't even have more than 10 clones flowering under a 400w. I was like

But I think he's unfamiliar with the SOG technique.

You will like the simplicity.. AND... you will have your clones used to HID...

In my set up... the clones just get the "washed" out light from the moms... so some of them wilt bad under the HPS for a day or two..

By having the under the 400, you wil avoid this...

Bro.. You are gonna have a Kick ass set up.. can't wait to see it done...

Haha, you can't wait? I can barely go 10 minutes without getting seeing those tasty buds grow in my head. I think I'm more excited to grow them than I am to smoke them hahaha

Ordered my first of 3 strains, C99 x Apollo 11. I really wanted pure Cindy, but I think the Apollo should mellow out the paranoia effect (not that I've ever had a problem with it). I've heard it's an easy to clone strain as well.

Thinking about going with Ice as my second strain, not sure about the 3rd one.

 

[Xare]

After reading all of Al B. Fuct's threads and the Hempy Collective, my first SOG has become a hybrid from this information.

A 25 plant two liter Hempy SOG !

Ive just finished going over this thread. And I think you guys might be interested in my first test Hempy SOG.

Iam using Lucas Formula /w 2 part GH nutes. My water is well water with a PH over 9 !

Its very hard water so iam using the Hardwater Micro from GH.


Here is a shot of the newly rooted and transplanted clones:

I let them get to about 5-7 inches tall before the switch to 12/12

The strain is my outdoor indica that I grew last season. I made a bit of seed and from that grew some mothers for these clones.

Rooting was done with a bubble cloner: https://www.rollitup.org/dwc-bubbleponics/196684-my-homemade-bubble-cloner.html

Then transplanted into the two liter hempy's, 25% verm / 75 % perlite.


And here is some pics from day 23 of flowering:

They are about 15-18 inches tall now.

I have the 25 hempy buckets setup under a 400w hps with the light about 6 - 8 inches over the top of the canopy.

The clones were trimmed of branches on the bottom 1/3rd of the plant on the 1st and 3rd week of flowering.


The plants are a squeezed together under the light in about a 3x3 foot area. This makes the canopy a bit dense.

Ive been thinking I may wanna spread my pots out a bit, but i am trying to get the best use out of my light by keeping it close to the plants while keeping the plants in the optimal 3x3 footprint of the light.

The flowering chamber is a 4x4x4 1/2 foot high attic space

Very well ventilated.


One of the reasons I went with Hempy instead of going to Ebb and Flow right away was my Height Issues.

So this is my Test 25 clone two liter hempy SOG grow !


What do you guys think ? Uh Uh ?

 

[saurier]

I'd wait to hear what some experienced growers have to say, but I don't think you need to spread your plants out anymore. Gypsy was just talking about how he packed his plants as close as he could, and I'm pretty sure he hasn't had any problems. You're only need to get light to the top buds and leaves.

Looks really good though, I'm going with an attic setup myself, but i'm dead set on ebb/flow.

 

[Xare]

I think I could fit a 3x3 ebb and flow in my area if I got a really short Reservoir. Those are quite expensive.

But the first thing on my list is a reverse osmosis machine. Something like this one: http://www.amazon.com/RO-MIGHTY-MITE-SYSTEM-50GPD/dp/B000WE8470

I think I would really benefit from it because of my Hard water. The PH is very high and its hard to keep it below 6.5

When I mix of a batch with my acidic nutes it goes to about 7 PH then I add 3ml per gallon of PH down. This gets it to about 6 PH, and goes up over time.

The op uses 2 gallons of nutes / water every other day. Just over 1 cup per pot every two days.