how to increase yield
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Los Ganjales
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You'll need a Grow/Veg nute, a Boost nute, and a Bloom nute... you can shop around and research different companies out there. The best company I'm aware of is Advance Nutrients... and it's costly. The most common nutes you'll probably find for a soil set up is Fox Farm... they have Grow Big, Tiger Bloom, and Big Bloom, and you have to ease the plants onto the nutes... especially if you do use Grow Big. I also found that Technaflora's starter kit... comes with 10 different things for a complete cycle... is pretty easy and kinder to the plants.
Besides nutes you can increase your yield by using better soil, bigger pots, a consistent and efficient feeding schedule, and make sure the plants are well positioned to received the most amount of sun. You might want to spray the plants with neem oil to prevent pests. I had a snail this past weekend crawl up a plastic 5 foot pole to get into my green house and chomp down 3 plants completely before I caught it about to chomp down a 4th. So anything lines of defense you can give your plant will help the yield in the end.
Besides nutes you can increase your yield by using better soil, bigger pots, a consistent and efficient feeding schedule, and make sure the plants are well positioned to received the most amount of sun. You might want to spray the plants with neem oil to prevent pests. I had a snail this past weekend crawl up a plastic 5 foot pole to get into my green house and chomp down 3 plants completely before I caught it about to chomp down a 4th. So anything lines of defense you can give your plant will help the yield in the end.
Los Ganjales
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That's definitely too hot, however not a deal breaker. You can buy a solar powered fan for the green house off e-bay for not a bad price. ($25 for this one http://cgi.ebay.com/Solar-Panel-Roof-Vent-Fan-Green-House-Cell-Ventilator_W0QQitemZ390062115683QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad1838b63&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A1|294%3A50 ) I highly suggest going that route. Also if you do, make sure to closely monitor the plants at first and to give them plenty of water as plants in the summer can dry out quickly.
Yeah 100+ is too hot. Get it cooled down if you can.
Out doors you don't really need a lot of nutes if you don't want to. A good bit of triple mic and some sheep manure and you can get amazing crops. I used to just mix that stuff into my soil, sometimes a little bone meal and blood meal and that was it. Out doors there are a lot more nutes in the soil naturally from composting stuff. The worms are great for keeping your plants healthy. One of the benefits of growing outdoors.
You should drop some diotomacious earth (not sure if I spelt that right) and sprinkle it around the plants. That will stop slugs, snails and usually help keep ants at bay as well. The neem oil is also a good prevention too. The Diotomacious earth is crushed sea shells so it is also organic. It is a powder, but to the little bugs, slugs, snails, etc it is razor sharp and just cuts up their bellies trying to go over it. Just imagine trying to crawl though broken glass, not fun. Farmers feed it to cows to aid digestion, it's not harmful to you so it won't effect health. It's cheap too, but get a good supply of it because it does wash into the ground.
Yea I have a bug treatment that my dad says works for his ww plants but this is my first grow can someone tell me about how long i have to wait till harvest I planted ungerminated seeds the 27 of jul and thear first day visiable was wednesday it is now friday morning of that same week
Los Ganjales
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I assume you mean June 27th. The plant will be in seedling stage for 10-14 days, then in veg stage once it has some sets of leaves... and that can last as long as you want it but should be another 2-4 weeks vegging... so you're looking at 4-6 weeks before flowering. And the amount of time you flower (12 hours on, 12 hours off) depends on your strain. Search for your strain on a seed bank website and you'll find out the amount of weeks to flower. Most indicas are done flowering in 6-8 weeks, sativas typically finish in 9-12 weeks.
You could be growing that seedling for 5 months. I have plants with a few more weeks left of flowering, that were originally clones in February. Patience is a virtue.
Gblink3
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You can force flowering now, If you could find a large enough container to put over them but still have air flow inside, I alternate between MG and molasses every watering.
Los Ganjales
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Yeah don't use Miracle Grow... its not friendly to pot plants and doesn't provide what the plant really needs. Get Fox Farm or Technaflora's starting kit. Fox Farm you buy 3 different bottles... $12-15 a quart.. Grow Big (nitrogen-based for vegging), Tiger Bloom (kind of a bloom booster... use during flowering), and Big Bloom (high in phosphorous... used during flowering). If you buy the Technaflora starter kit, it comes with like 10 different things including cloning gel, and it gives you a fair-sized container of Sugar Daddy which works better than molasses. Whichever nutrient company you go with, they provide you with a feeding schedule and stick to that.
Then you can add in other suppliments. I include the following suppliments with every feeding, and note there are suppliments out there that you buy just for flowering. I use Hydrozyme (which helps break down dead roots and build new roots), SuperThrive (you use a gallon a drop, said to be gold amongst the growers out here), MagiCal, SugarDaddy, and I'm trying out some others.
You force flowering by hanging a tarp over the crop. If you live near farm land, you'll notice that some farms tarp their fields during certain sunny parts of the year. It's the most common outdoor way I know of. You can get giant black plastic tarps in a roll at Home Depot for around $20/roll. Make sure it's light sealed, and if you can find a way to get a flow of fresh air whether a fan or some make-shift vent then that would be brownie points. You might need to make a frame out of 2x4s or something.
If you want to get something on a timer, I suggest buying disco ball spinners off ebay (absurd, I know). You can tie a thin rope from the corner of a tarp connected to the disco ball spinner, and when the timer goes off and activates the spinner, the rope coils itself and pulls the tarp up. You can have a separate line, spinner, and timer to pull the tarp back the other way.
Trust me, it took many smoked bowls to come up with that solution for my outdoor green house
Then you can add in other suppliments. I include the following suppliments with every feeding, and note there are suppliments out there that you buy just for flowering. I use Hydrozyme (which helps break down dead roots and build new roots), SuperThrive (you use a gallon a drop, said to be gold amongst the growers out here), MagiCal, SugarDaddy, and I'm trying out some others.
You force flowering by hanging a tarp over the crop. If you live near farm land, you'll notice that some farms tarp their fields during certain sunny parts of the year. It's the most common outdoor way I know of. You can get giant black plastic tarps in a roll at Home Depot for around $20/roll. Make sure it's light sealed, and if you can find a way to get a flow of fresh air whether a fan or some make-shift vent then that would be brownie points. You might need to make a frame out of 2x4s or something.
If you want to get something on a timer, I suggest buying disco ball spinners off ebay (absurd, I know). You can tie a thin rope from the corner of a tarp connected to the disco ball spinner, and when the timer goes off and activates the spinner, the rope coils itself and pulls the tarp up. You can have a separate line, spinner, and timer to pull the tarp back the other way.
Trust me, it took many smoked bowls to come up with that solution for my outdoor green house
i just planted the seeds not even a week ago why would i force flowering and i was fixing to put one of them in a grow box i made and use a black light for light will this be sufficient for one plant and if not can i get a bulb that will fit in the blacklight and if so about how much.
what i have made was an old dresser I took out all of the drawers and painted the walls flat white it is about 3 and a half foot tall and 2 and a half foot wide and 2 feet deep i have a black sheet on the front to close it all up. i will post pics asap
any advice on wheather this would work
what i have made was an old dresser I took out all of the drawers and painted the walls flat white it is about 3 and a half foot tall and 2 and a half foot wide and 2 feet deep i have a black sheet on the front to close it all up. i will post pics asap
any advice on wheather this would work
Los Ganjales
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i don't think the dresser will work... most plants grow taller than 3 1/2 feet... and thats not even accounting for the size of the pot and grow light. You should try to clear out half of your closet (if you have one) or something.
You would force flowering outdoors because the plants won't flower naturally until theres less than 12 hours of light again (june 22nd is the day with the most light). If you don't mind waiting until the end of september / early october for your buds then don't force anything.
I doubt the blacklight thing would work, and if so you probably wouldn't be able to use any bulb that's worthy (T5 or T
. My suggestion would be to get the highest powered 2 foot florescent grow light you can get. I reccomend this light for its value: http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=50100 . I would also purchase a black tarp to light seal the front, and then you can buy these zipper attachments so you can unzip the tarp in the middle to open it. That will allow the plants to have uninterrupted sleep. Total cost for all of that would be under $150 and it would be enough to get you going. Perhaps you can use the dresser to veg, and find a taller more accomodating area to flower in (which will be another grow light and investment). I know spending money sucks but you have to give a little to get a little.
You would force flowering outdoors because the plants won't flower naturally until theres less than 12 hours of light again (june 22nd is the day with the most light). If you don't mind waiting until the end of september / early october for your buds then don't force anything.
I doubt the blacklight thing would work, and if so you probably wouldn't be able to use any bulb that's worthy (T5 or T
. My suggestion would be to get the highest powered 2 foot florescent grow light you can get. I reccomend this light for its value: http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=50100 . I would also purchase a black tarp to light seal the front, and then you can buy these zipper attachments so you can unzip the tarp in the middle to open it. That will allow the plants to have uninterrupted sleep. Total cost for all of that would be under $150 and it would be enough to get you going. Perhaps you can use the dresser to veg, and find a taller more accomodating area to flower in (which will be another grow light and investment). I know spending money sucks but you have to give a little to get a little.Thanks well I no why I would force flowering but the other guy b4 i posted that said to start flowering now and they have only been sprouted for 3 days I might find a nice dark spot for me to put the plants when i change to 12/12 lighting the sun rises at 6 am so I am goin to bring them in at six wait untill it is completely then put them out side till morning is that a bad idea or will it work when should i put on a 12/12 light schedual
If you're growing outside in a green house, just let nature take it's course. Yes you have to wait a while to harvest, yeah September to October, but you get to take advantage of the best lighting system in the world! Nothing compares to the sun, there is no light on the market that can even come close to having that power. The beauty of the sun is okay it shines about 5000 lumens per sq/ft. But it has been so dispersed over the hundreds of thousands of miles getting to Earth that when you look at the light difference at the tops of your plant and the bottom, there is no lumen difference. All artificial light has a huge drop off and it drops exponentialy. The sun will give you amazing results.
If you are going to go inside, I use T5HO lights from Sunblaster and they work great for me. You can change bulbs for flowering and for vegging. Again though, why not just stay outside and take advantage of the gift from above. Outdoor yields are usually substancialy larger than indoors, just most people can't grow outdoors due to legality reasons and fear of getting caught.
P.S. Black light is no good for the plants. They don't produce the correct spectrum that the plants need.
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Hi Los Ganijales,
Sorry, quick question for ya. SuperThrive. I've reccomended a lot of people use it based on what I've heard about it. We don't get that up here in Canada. I use Hydro-Thrive from Dutch Nutrient Formulas. Do you know if they are a similar product? It's the same thing of 1 drop per gallon (10 for transplanting, 15 drops for foliar feed and 25 drops for a seed soak). I know Hydro-Thrive is basically vitamin B12 which helps reduce plant stress. I know some people say it makes no difference, but if your plant isn't stressed then okay, but if it is then I find it does help. Besides who doesn't need their vitamins, right? Lol. Anyways, like I said I've been telling a lot of people in the USA to get it to add in especially when their plants are sick, so I was just curious.
Thanks for the info.