average amount of red hairs at harvest?

[t0k3s]

I am well aware that cannabis has been around for a very long time.

I only mentioned 500 years because you had just used 500 years in what you said. Had you said 1000years I would have said 1000 years and so on.

My reply was to what you yourself said and not in any way any statement or claim about how long marijuana has existed.

Joke or not you said it and you used 500 years so that is what I replied to.

You statement about the life cycle of cannabis is a red herring. You cannot support what you claim because it is based on your personal opinions and on myths and urban legends from others so you want to blow smoke and twist and spin in hopes of finding some way to appear like you know what you are talking about.

Cannabis grown to smoke is not grown in the same manner as cannabis grown to perpetuate plants in the wild. Many strains will not produce fully mature viable seeds in the amount of flowering time it takes to get to the point where trichomes are milky white or amber.

That is why so much bagseed is so unreliable for growing, because the seeds were not fully mature, not viable, when it came time to harvest the plants for smoking.

You keep comparing apples and zebras and tossing in your personal opinions based in myths and urban legends and hippie misperceptions and hope that it is accepted by those who know even less than you do but while you may very well fool them you will not fool those who know more than you know.


I am curious, how many decades have you been growing marijuana? Is it very close to four decades as is the case with me? Are you even four decades old? Have you even grown for four whole years? I have roughly 37-years of growing under my belt. Can you match that? Can you come close to matching that?

I have been growing for one decade,but just cause you have been growing for 4 does not mean you know better than some won else,if i want early weed from a stubborn old school guy then ill hit you upuntil then keep posting your chart.

 

[Brick Top]

I have been growing for one decade,but just cause you have been growing for 4 does not mean you know better than some won else,if i want early weed from a stubborn old school guy then ill hit you upuntil then keep posting your chart.

Again you are perpetuating the myth or urban legend that plants have their highest level of THC production when their trichomes are amber.

That is a fallacy that you have fallen for and that you help to mislead others into believing.

Harvesting when trichomes are milky white does not equate to what you inaccurately referred to as being "early weed." That was a weak attempt to claim validity for your position and nothing more.

It is only what you inaccurately believe to be true and nothing more.

It is clear that you are to pigheaded and to ignorant to learn so I will no longer waste my time attempting to educate a dull normal but I most sincerely hope that not to many people are foolish enough to fall for your inaccurate advice/information because those who do not have the same personal preference/taste in what they smoke as you will suffer because of it.

 

[SpruceZeus]

Any information/advice, such as yours, that says "in my experience" is almost always totally wrong.

For one you said "pure-ish" and I never said anything about crosses, did I? Any time you have a cross you will have combined genetics and they will alter results. So your "pure-ish" sativas are not comparable to what I said.

Firstly, I posted that bit of information as something i had experienced. Citing evidence is something people do when they are trying to learn, or help others to learn.
I said pure-ish, because, as you the expert should know, Pure landrace sativas are virtually unavailable to the growing public. Even if you purchase a "thai" strain from a seedbank, chances are very very stong that at some point it has been crossed to make it more stable/faster finishing/less prone to staminate growth ect. So if i said "pure" sativa i'm sure you would have jumped all over me and picked that detail to pieces.
So either way, obviously any real world practical situations are not going to apply to the things you say. Would you say that the high from an indica lasts longer than that of a sativa?

The problem with people like yourself is you suffer from the delusion that THC levels are at their highest only when they are amber and that is a myth, an urban legend, a fallacy. It is what people who do not know the chemistry and biology of marijuana plants believe because certain effects seem to be more potent to them. ...

Fuck you! Don't put words in my mouth.
The problem with people like yourself is that they're always presuming things about people like myself.
Did I once claim that pure amber trichomes have the highest level of THC? Or for that matter claim that THC alone is what is responsable for a good high?

only the ignorant truly believe that equates to an increased level of THC. IT is only an increase in the effects they prefer.

I can agree with you there!
But you're assuming that increased levels of THC are the end all be all of being high. Go inject some pure THC and see where that gets you

That is the whole point to what I have said all along and that is each individual should harvest when the trichome color will give them the effects they most like.

And my whole point is that there is more to the picture than just the colour of your trichs.

Why is it that you cannot understand and accept such an extremely simple concept?

Again, Fuck You!!!
You're trying to belittle me to make me seem wrong, but instead you're coming off as defensive and petty.
I understand just fine, I just feel that you're taking the wrong approach to things and being misleading.

As for misleading newbs it is people like you who tell them to harvest when their crops will best fit YOUR personal preference rather then schooling them in how things work and then allowing THEM to decide for themselves when is the proper time to harvest so THEY end up with what THEY will like the most instead of what YOU would like the most.

and what are you doing?

As for your claim about seeing amber and cloudy trichomes after only 3-weeks of flowering, well I began growing roughly 37-years ago and I have never so much as one single time seen that happen. I can only believe that you are attempting to manufacture "evidence" to support your position.

Maybe you should pay attention to your plants.
I'm not manufacturing anything. Only sharing my own experiences, rather than copy+pasting straight from conflicting sources and trying to come off as some fucking plant scientist.
Usually experience humbles people when they realise how much they truly don't know, but it seems like you're pretty convinced you know it all. So good luck with that buddy.
I'm gonna enjoy a nice bowl of my "degraded garbage". It smells like stawberrys. Interesting that some of the most dynamic terpenoid production happens during the "downslope", making for some real funky, amazing (ohh subjective, how unscientific of me) smelling weed. (or my weed maybe smells that way from all the THCV? hmm?)

Peace and happy growing.

 

[Brick Top]

Picture 1

Picture 2

Picture 3

[SIZE=+1]Trichomes[/SIZE]

Trichomes are small appendages that look like hairs. They are produced by marijuana, and other plants. Female marijuana plants produce certain trichomes that are a rich source of THC. These trichomes can be found in their largest concentration on the buds. They start out clear, turn a milky color, then turn amber (light brown).

The trichomes in picture 1 are clear. After the plant has flowered for a few weeks, the trichomes start to turn a milky color (picture 2). After a few more weeks, they will be totally milky in color. In the later stages of flowering, trichomes will turn to a light brown color (picture 3). The amount of time required to get to this point depends on the marijuana strain and the growing conditions.

In picture 2 you can see the stems have started to turn from a clear color to a milky translucent color. For maximum THC content and a more cerebral and energetic high, harvest your plants when a majority of the trichomes on the plants in your garden are a fully milky translucent color.

You can wait until most of the trichomes have started to turn amber, but the resulting marijuana will produce more of a sleepy body stone than it would if plants were harvested earlier. The trichome in picture 3 is about 90% amber, with just a trace of the milky translucent color it previously possessed.

 

[t0k3s]

Picture 1

Picture 2

Picture 3

[SIZE=+1]Trichomes[/SIZE]

Trichomes are small appendages that look like hairs. They are produced by marijuana, and other plants. Female marijuana plants produce certain trichomes that are a rich source of THC. These trichomes can be found in their largest concentration on the buds. They start out clear, turn a milky color, then turn amber (light brown).

The trichomes in picture 1 are clear. After the plant has flowered for a few weeks, the trichomes start to turn a milky color (picture 2). After a few more weeks, they will be totally milky in color. In the later stages of flowering, trichomes will turn to a light brown color (picture 3). The amount of time required to get to this point depends on the marijuana strain and the growing conditions.

In picture 2 you can see the stems have started to turn from a clear color to a milky translucent color. For maximum THC content and a more cerebral and energetic high, harvest your plants when a majority of the trichomes on the plants in your garden are a fully milky translucent color.

You can wait until most of the trichomes have started to turn amber, but the resulting marijuana will produce more of a sleepy body stone than it would if plants were harvested earlier. The trichome in picture 3 is about 90% amber, with just a trace of the milky translucent color it previously possessed.

Hahah only thing you know is colors,you can see changes in all 3 pictures that has nothing to do with colors yet you didn't even point it out,so much for 4 decades of nothing

 

[malbulja]

if i want early weed from a stubborn old school guy then ill hit you upuntil then keep posting your chart.

hahahahaha... phew, that was so funny it hurts.

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

hahahahaha... phew, that was so funny it hurts.[/quote] Brick Top is Right, I don't even get What your argument is? It just seems Your trying to push everyone into becoming immobilized Zombies, while someone else likes to be functional and creative, It is a science and the knowledge is out there, Not all here! Brick Top is right.

 

[malbulja]

hahahahaha... phew, that was so funny it hurts.[/quote] Brick Top is Right, I don't even get What your argument is? It just seems Your trying to push everyone into becoming immobilized Zombies, while someone else likes to be functional and creative, It is a science and the knowledge is out there, Not all here! Brick Top is right.

If you don't get the argument then you need to go back and re-read the thread, not just the last page.

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

I read The whole thead That's why I posted, He Gave out a ton of accurate information and pics. The original poster said he did not want Couchlock, So why would he Ripen, the shit out Plant, Hairs don't mean nothing, Trichomes Do. Maybe You need to Re-Read between the Lines.

 

[malbulja]

I read The whole thead That's why I posted, He Gave out a ton of accurate information and pics. The original poster said he did not want Couchlock, So why would he Ripen, the shit out Plant, Hairs don't mean nothing, Trichomes Do. Maybe You need to Re-Read between the Lines.

No, if he doesn't want couch-lock THEN HE NEEDS TO GROW A SATIVA. That's the point to the thread. There are different phenotypes of the cannabis plant and pretending that you can make an Indica plant smoke like a sativa by harvesting early (pre-amber) trichs is whats at issue. If you harvest a plant during the milky white growth phase then you're harvesting a pre-mature plant.

 

[SpruceZeus]

COPY+PASTE FTW!

Okay, now stop being smart for a second and think.

I'm a new grower and i've been reading all this great information about when its time to harvest. Theres pictures and everything!!!

Look at my trichs, they look nice and milky with a touch of amber just like the ones in the picture that says its harvest time now!!!


So i just have one question....

Does this look ready to you?

That plant is 4 weeks into 12/12. Granted not all of the trichomes are that far along. And most people arent going to harvest weed that looks like this. But my point with this is that you have to look at the big picture. Stop being so scientific and start being practical.
I'm not anti knowledge, i just cant stand these "rules" that more often than not lead people down the wrong path.
Lets cut through the bullshit and spread good information in a way that is not so absoloute. Or at very least explain the growth stages of cannabis making sure to mention that the pistils should have receded back into the bud before you chop. Regardless of trichome colour.

 

[t0k3s]

COPY+PASTE FTW!

Okay, now stop being smart for a second and think.



That plant is 4 weeks into 12/12. Granted not all of the trichomes are that far along. And most people arent going to harvest weed that looks like this. But my point with this is that you have to look at the big picture. Stop being so scientific and start being practical.
I'm not anti knowledge, i just cant stand these "rules" that more often than not lead people down the wrong path.
Lets cut through the bullshit and spread good information in a way that is not so absoloute. Or at very least explain the growth stages of cannabis making sure to mention that the pistils should have receded back into the bud before you chop. Regardless of trichome colour.

I have said almost the same thing in so many threads then the kids start flaming me for telling the person they should let their buds be ripe when they harvest,isnt that the whole point grow it till its ripe then pick it just like fruit,if you pick it early its bitter,same concept,some strains turn amber in 4 weeks yet the trichomes are still forming and the plant still growing and boom,they chop that shit down ,that trichome chart is turning everybodys grow fucky

 

[malbulja]

I have said almost the same thing in so many threads then the kids start flaming me for telling the person they should let their buds be ripe when they harvest,isnt that the whole point grow it till its ripe then pick it just like fruit,if you pick it early its bitter,same concept,some strains turn amber in 4 weeks yet the trichomes are still forming and the plant still growing and boom,they chop that shit down ,that trichome chart is turning everybodys grow fucky

You know heres the worst part of all this. If you're one of the people that love that Sativa mind rush high and you listen to the folks on RIU and they keep pulling out 10 year old charts from the old GrowFAQ then you're going to ruin your Sativa because you're going to harvest it way too early because everyone keeps saying that milky white trichomes are what giives you the fast, energetic high!

A Sativa is a Sativa, an Indica is an Indica, and a hybrid is a hybrid. Harvesting them pre-mature isn't going to change these facts.

 

[mr.red]

Wow, haha.

I agree, if you want to get high smoke a sativa, indica for a stone.

I will admit that I grow mostly indica and rarely grow a sativa, but i would like everyone to grow two plants of each.

Harvest one of the sativas when you think the trichomes are ready and the other when the plant is actually ripe

same with the indica.

then you will understand the difference.

sure if you got stuck with an indica and only like a rush.

harvest early

get a headache.


if not sit back and relax people.

oh and just so you know

copy and pasting does not make you smarter

neither does decades of growing


that is like saying that i have been baking for 50 years, therefore i know what i am talking about

when in reality you suck shit at baking

 

[t0k3s]

Wow, haha.

I agree, if you want to get high smoke a sativa, indica for a stone.

I will admit that I grow mostly indica and rarely grow a sativa, but i would like everyone to grow two plants of each.

Harvest one of the sativas when you think the trichomes are ready and the other when the plant is actually ripe

same with the indica.

then you will understand the difference.

sure if you got stuck with an indica and only like a rush.

harvest early

get a headache.


if not sit back and relax people.

oh and just so you know

copy and pasting does not make you smarter

neither does decades of growing


that is like saying that i have been baking for 50 years, therefore i know what i am talking about

when in reality you suck shit at baking

Its about time some real growers came in

 

[mr.red]

We like to hide

or grow..

usually we are smoking though

 

[t0k3s]

We like to hide

or grow..

usually we are smoking though

That's why i have the bong right next to me

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

Your all Right, HARVEST no Kind before it's Time! But when The Glands start to rupture or break off it turns into Cannabinol (CBN) Fucking DeadBeat Shit, I Like THC The High, Each Plant has to offer. Your Right a Indica Is Stonier and Sativa Trippy by nature, But if you fuck up a lot of varibles,,,Growth, Handeling,ieg Rupturing the THC glands you will end up with more Garbage (CBN) meaning a Deadbeat Couchlock fucked up lazzy High, No matter Indica or Sativa. Fuck Testing the Leaves,,Test THE BUD,,,I smoke Bud, not Leaves! or are you saying you don't need a Scope?

 

[malbulja]

or are you saying you don't need a Scope?

YES, thats exactly what's being said.

 

[Droxster]

lol im learning so much