pro's and cons of lighting

[TeaTreeOil]

I cant belive I am replying again on this post but here I am a full page of agruing later making yet another comment. Someone please shoot me!

Sure, if you're supplying the ammo,

If you are going to price the cheapest of the CFLs for your agrument and do so by useing 312 watts as an example to scew the results so can try making BrickTop look bad then your sadly mistaken and not as smart as you think. Also your a CFL expert then you should know that CFL's even CFL's of the same wattage can have various differant lumen outputs.

I'm no expert. I have common sense.

A more fair compairson would be a compairison of a 400w hps bulbs replacement costs to a number of CFL's that is the near the same lumen output. If those cheap CFL's are producing 1725 lumen each you would need to buy 6 packages for $49.80 and you could buy 2 400w bulbs for that much which is still twice as cheap replacement wise. The higher the wattage CFL the higher the replacement costs as well so if you dont want to have upwards to 30 differant fixtures in your box you will be buying the more expensive CFL's and your replacement costs could be tripple or more the cost of an equilivant lumen output HPS bulb.

No, not really. CFLs emit UV light and use phosphor coatings to shift it into visible light.

HID is quite the opposite. They emit heavy IR and use vapors and high pressure to shift the spectrum into a broader, and more visible light.

Higher wattage CFLs are less efficient. Good luck.

*you can dance, I can dance, everyone look at their pants*

 

[Syriuslydelyrius]

So your saying that 20,000 lumen of CFL light is better than 40,000 lumen of HID light. YOUR FREEKING CRAZY DUDE.

I just think people shouldn't have to deal with inaccurate information.

Having accurate information lets whoever make their own decisions.

Try giving them some accurate info for crying out loud.

 

[TeaTreeOil]

Et tu, Syriuslydelyrius?

 

[Brick Top]

4x26 watt CFL is $8. 3 packs of these... $24. Is 312 watts.

BrickTop isn't apt at math. FYI.

Your ignorance astounds me. I clearly stated that what I was talking about was an actual real true CFL grow light and not the nickel and dime penny ante beer budget Rub Goldberg ghetto grow collection of CFL’s like you used for an example of pricing and wattage.

You made it more than abundantly evident that you do not know the difference between actual CFL grow lights and the Lowes/Home Depot/WalMart CFL’s that you love so very much.

You are not apt at anything TreeDweller.

 

[TeaTreeOil]

And you're thicker than a brick!

 

[Syriuslydelyrius]

I reped you Bricktop and yeah he is just agruing for the sake of it now. I point out his obvious attempt at being a spin doctor about those replacement costs and what does he do in responce? He freeken quotes Shakespeare? WTF??

 

[TeaTreeOil]

And someone who can't form a grammatically correct sentence.

 

[Brick Top]

And you're thicker than a brick!

Unlike you I at least I am correct.

How about explaining to us how such an expert grower as yourself does not know about real CFL grow lights and only knows about the nickel and dime penny ante beer budget Rub Goldberg Lowes/Home Depot/WalMart CFL’s.

 

[TeaTreeOil]

Unlike you I at least I am correct.

How about explaining to us how such an expert grower as yourself does not know about real CFL grow lights and only knows about the nickel and dime penny ante beer budget Rub Goldberg Lowes/Home Depot/WalMart CFL’s.

Your comeback shames me.

 

[Brick Top]

Your comeback shames me./quote]



It should.

Will you be explaining why it is that such an expert grower as yourself does not know about actual CFL grow lights?

 

[TeaTreeOil]

Your comeback shames me./quote]



It should.

Will you be explaining why it is that such an expert grower as yourself does not know about actual CFL grow lights?

This thread is boring. What else is on?

 

[KaliKitsune]

EDIT: Ignore - I'm stoned and watching Quantumk of solace at the same time I'm reading - not paying attention.

 

[TeaTreeOil]

Oh, I thought it was the 1,100 degree Celsius arc in the bulb.

 

[Brick Top]

This thread is boring. What else is on?

What’s the matter TreeDweller? Is it that you have you found yourself between a rock and a hard place?

You know that if you admit that you do not know anything about actual CFL grow lights that everyone here will finally have the proof that is needed to know that you do not know anywhere near as much about growing as you claim to know.

That of course horrifies you.

You also know that if you say you know all about CFL grow lights, that you did in fact know precisely what I was talking about but because you have such a need to try to prove me wrong you intentionally ignored what I actually said and replied with something that was totally invalid. That of course is being intellectually dishonest and that would be proof that you cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

That of course also horrifies you.

Is that why now you are saying this thread is boring? It has to be one of those two reasons why you now want to ignore what you said and what I asked of you. There are no other options, there are no other reasons.

So which is it, are you ignorant or are you intellectually dishonest?

 

[TeaTreeOil]

What’s the matter TreeDweller? Is it that you have you found yourself between a rock and a hard place?

No.

You know that if you admit that you do not know anything about actual CFL grow lights that everyone here will finally have the proof that is needed to know that you do not know anywhere near as much about growing as you claim to know.

No.

That of course horrifies you.

Three strikes. You're out!

You also know that if you say you know all about CFL grow lights, that you did in fact know precisely what I was talking about but because you have such a need to try to prove me wrong you intentionally ignored what I actually said and replied with something that was totally invalid. That of course is being intellectually dishonest and that would be proof that you cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

That of course also horrifies you.

Is that why now you are saying this thread is boring? It has to be one of those two reasons why you now want to ignore what you said and what I asked of you. There are no other options, there are no other reasons.

So which is it, are you ignorant or are you intellectually dishonest?

I think worms are more intelligent than you. Just my two cents.\

They at least help my yield!

 

[KaliKitsune]

Oh, I thought it was the 1,100 degree Celsius arc in the bulb.

Your comma is off and you're missing a 0, there.

 

[TeaTreeOil]

Your comma is off and you're missing a 0, there.

You should of seen the look on your face. It was something like this:

 

[Brick Top]

No.



No.



Three strikes. You're out!



I think worms are more intelligent than you. Just my two cents.\

They at least help my yield!

So again you have ignored and avoided answering me.

Ok, I will pick for you since you fail to pack the gear needed to tell the truth about yourself.

You are ignorant.

If you care to pick that you are intellectually dishonest instead I will gladly apologize and admit that I was wrong and clearly state that you are not ignorant and instead are only intellectually dishonest.

 

[KaliKitsune]

You should of seen the look on your face. It was something like this:

And intellect makes way for absolute childishness.

Very adult of you.

1,100 Celsius isn't enough to start a plasma reaction.

 

[TeaTreeOil]

So again you have ignored and avoided answering me.

Ok, I will pick for you since you fail to pack the gear needed to tell the truth about yourself.

You are ignorant.

If you care to pick that you are intellectually dishonest instead I will gladly apologize and admit that I was wrong and clearly state that you are not ignorant and instead are only intellectually dishonest.

And intellect makes way for absolute childishness.

Very adult of you.

1,100 Celsius isn't enough to start a plasma reaction.

I really do not feel like putting any more effort into this. You already failed elementary school once.