First grow ever...

Tuanis

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Hello guys and girls,

Need to know a few things before getting started...

1. How many plants can I grow using two 200W/6700k/T5's for Veg, and what area do I need?

2. In the same area, I need to know if one HPS 600W be enough for these as well?

3. Will be growing on coconut fiber which is the most available organic/hydro medium I can find... How often, and how much nutrients should I use to avoid build-up?

4. It's all for me, NO SELLING... So, would a feminized mix be a good idea? Or, just the plain old good NL feminized as well?

Peace,

Tuanis...
 

jigfresh

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1. How many plants can I grow using two 200W/6700k/T5's for Veg, and what area do I need?

2. In the same area, I need to know if one HPS 600W be enough for these as well?

3. Will be growing on coconut fiber which is the most available organic/hydro medium I can find... How often, and how much nutrients should I use to avoid build-up?

4. It's all for me, NO SELLING... So, would a feminized mix be a good idea? Or, just the plain old good NL feminized as well?
First off, I'm on my first grow, but I think I've learned a lot from reading and 33 days of growing so far, so here's my two cents. (don't read as gospel)

You really need to pick a strategy first, before we can answer all your questions accurately.

For example, I'll tell you my deal. I have 6 plants that vegged under 400w MH. That is in a 2x3 foot closet. I am going to upgrade to 650w MH/ HPS soon. I can have this much light in my little closet because I cool the hell out of the lights. Otherwise it would burn up my plants. Also I am using 6 plants because that is the legal limit here in CA for medical users. I could potentially cram 30 plants in the little place and still have things work, just differently. Alternatively, I could have only put 1 plant in there. Gotten a huge plant.

So, you can put as many or as few plants under your light. It all depends on how spread out the lighting fixtures are, how well they are reflected to the plants, how well things are cooled determines somewhat how close the lights can be to the plants. And closeness determines intensity, blah, blah.

Quick answer you could easily veg 6 plants. Maybe more, definitely less.

If you veg with 200w for veg, then YES by all means 600w HPS would be enough to flower them. I'm not totally experienced, but I think having the veg lighting be a little closer to the flower lighting would be best. I don't mean it's a bad idea, just that it seems like you are giving your plants a little tiny backrub (veg) before throwing them to the lions den (600w hps). I suggest trying 400w for veg. Make those girls real bushy before switching to flower. If you can afford the 600w HPS and afford the electricity to run it, you should be able to afford 200w extra for veg.

600w should be good for an area of 6'x6'. You could use it in a smaller space if you cool like I said before. You will probably need to cool no matter what, but the smaller the area the more the cooling necessary.

I don't do soil, so I can't tell you about the nutes.

About the strains. Here's my suggestion. Try one strain on the first grow. That give you a little more control to learn what the hell you are doing. If you get a mix, they will act different, and you will be asking yourself "should that one be so small, and why is that ones leaves doing that....." Plus it would make things a little more complicated with different flowering times and such. Also, they could grow to different height making you set them on risers, or having them get shaded out by others.

My dream is to have a constant harvest (every 2 weeks) of like 5 or 6 different strains. For myself. But for now I am trying 2 kinds (would have done 1 but store didn't have enough).

I hope that helps. Let me know if you want clarification or anything.

Good luck bro, it's serious fun. I can't even imagine how it feels to harvest the stuff.
 

jigfresh

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What I mean by strategies is like Sea of Green (bunch of tiny plants), Screen of Green (check my grow, like Sea of green with a restrictive screen), you can cut the plants giving them more heads (search uncle ben's topping technique), there is Low Strees Training/ Supercropping, and other's I'm sure I'm forgetting. Or you could just stick one plant in a closet and let it get huge (search MyGirls grow. some big indoor plants)
 

Tuanis

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So far so good... that's great knowledge.
I like the part about these plants being all the same in order to keep control.

Would appeciate something about nutrients...

I will be using 400W T5 for Veg (2 bulbs with wing reflector @ 6700k)
and 600 HPS for Flower. I guess the coconut fiber could be looked at like soil... but with more oxygen and space for root growth, a lot more... Will send you guys some or something, jaja)

Thanks, I'm lovin'it...

TUANIS
 

jigfresh

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Only thing I know about coco is there is special nutes for it. I don't know if those are the only ones you can use, but I know some specialize in coco.

Are you just putting the coco in pots, and grwoing 'like' soil? Or are you going to do some sorta hydro setup using the coco?

That would make a difference as well.
 

jigfresh

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Another tip. When searching for stuff I find it more useful to go to google. Type this to only search rollitup


site:rollitup.org nutrients coco ....

or

site:rollitup.org "coco nutes"


I find it works better than the search on here.
 

Tuanis

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Hello again,

Hey everyone? Another thing, what capacity on the pots should I use to bring the seed to maturity? I plan on using 3/4 gallon each, square ones, and that will give me one pot per square foot, can I put a plant per sq ft under a 600W HPS, vegging on 400W T5's?
 

jigfresh

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I do clones, so I cant tell you about seeds. I know from watching people usually put their germed seeds in something around the size of a small dixie cup for a couple weeks, before transplanting into bigger pots. I believe I've seen people just start them in the big pots, but not as often.

You can put as many plants as you want under that light. It's not that it won't work, just how it works for what you are trying to do. The lighting really comes down to you cooling it, a 600w generates quite a bit of heat. The closer to the plants the stronger the intensity, but you can only get as close as possible with out burning the girls.

Yeah, 1 per sq/ft is fine if you are going for little plants. If you want them big they are going to run out of room. But don't get me wrong little plants are just as good as big ones if you do things right.

Here's the question. What area/ space are you planning on doing this? The area, and height available makes a difference in strategy a lot.
 

Tuanis

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I feel like an ignorant... jajaja. Here in Costa Rica, the only thing you can find is pomes rock 50% and coco coir 50% as a hydroponic sustrate, they sell a MAJOR and MINOR elements for fertilizing, it's two different liquids... What is all that??? Anybody???
 

jigfresh

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To overcome feeling ignorant I read this site and others every day for 3 months before signing up and posting. I'm not knocking you, just different studying strategies.

Nutrients can be complicated, or not. Up to you. I don't know everything, but I know a little.

There are Macro and Micro nutrients for your plant. I'm not sure the difference, but they are different. Something to do with how the nutrients get broken down by the plant to be used.

For me in my hydro set-up I use 8 different bottles of nutrients each time I fill up my reservoir. Some people only use 2-3.

To answer all your questions you are going to need to do a lot of reading, not just asking everyone: what are nutrients? Not trying to be rude, but there are so many answers to these questions on this site, I think that is why people who 'really know' aren't answering you.
 

Tuanis

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Hey JigFresh, it's all good!
Well, yesterday I went to the depot to check out the pots and the soil and all of that, I measured the pots and their capacity.
But the room should be like 8' x 6'... and probably its height just about 10'... so...
How tall should the babies be, before going HPS 12/12...?
 

jigfresh

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Hey JigFresh, it's all good!
Well, yesterday I went to the depot to check out the pots and the soil and all of that, I measured the pots and their capacity.
But the room should be like 8' x 6'... and probably its height just about 10'... so...
How tall should the babies be, before going HPS 12/12...?
Damn. Thats a big area.

Are you just growing for you and buddies, or you going to start your own cartel?

If you use small pots like you mentioned they will only be able to get as tall as the pots allow. (can't tell you what that limit is, not enough experience). I think with pots like that you could only get to be 1-2 feet in height before getting root bound. Seach MyGirls under user search. Dude uses 19 gal, rubbermaid totes, and he grows some monsters.

One thing to consider with a space that big is electical costs to run lighting. To run the MAX lighting for your space would be a TON to pay for, but if that's what you want to do, then do it.

If you use the smaller pots, you would just veg shorter time than if you had bigger pots. And you will grow more plants (most likely) than bigger pots would let you.

If you did get big pots I wouldn't plan on growing the plants over 5 or 6 feet your first try (if you can get there). You will need room in your space for the light above and the pots below, plus you will have to be able to keep a handle on things till you get better.

Random question, what time zone are you down there. It is 9:15 AM in cali.
 

Tuanis

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I think I'm going to let the plants grow 30" before switching to flower... If they are pure indica, how tal and wide will they be by harvest time?
 

jigfresh

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I think I'm going to let the plants grow 30" before switching to flower... If they are pure indica, how tal and wide will they be by harvest time?
My guess is, they would be around 50" tall when you are all done.

Width really matters on what you do to the plant and how you have things set up.

If you just put a plant in there and do not cut it or tie it down or anything, then it will probably be 'thinner' than if you did those things.

Untouched I would guess 24" around at harvest. If you 'topped' them, or tied the stalks down like super-cropping, or LST then they could be bushier, but I don't think bushy is what you are after with all that height available.
 

Tuanis

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My mistake...

The area I didn't measure before posting so now I know, it's 7' x 3' x 8'H; so now it's a different story...
I will be doing all of this under 2/200W T5 @ 6400K for veggie stage and 600W HPS for flower, they say I should do this in an area of 3' x 5' but I think I will add the 2/200W T5's at flowering time, even though they burn @ 6400K.
I plan on keeping the best 2 looking mothers in veg forever and clone them over and over again... That's if I get 100% germination rate, I think I will be going for white label northern lights. The other eight plants will be grown to maturity in order to be smoked ALL BY FRIENDS AND ME... No selling boys and girls... That's illegal here in Costa Rica.
Despite the fact I never done this before, i should do pretty good with all your beloved help... THANKS.

TUANIS...
100% Tico.
 

Tuanis

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Next time off of the cloning from the mothers I will do 21 clones with the same lightning setup, or meybe improve, but too early for that... JAJA.
 
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