Really REALLY pulling my hair out!!!!!

[yelodrvr]

build it and they will grow.

dont waste your money on the commercial set ups.
if your build goes anything like mine, you will screw up and have to start over or buy a bunch of parts you wont need, but in the end you will still spend fractions of what you pay for the out of box set up.

a tute on a aero system i built. i do everything in this set up. clone/seeds, veg, even flowered in it once.
http://www.marijuanagrowing.eu/cloner-by-yelodrvr-t31484.html

clone day 20 from cut in this system.

at one point i had this set up in 5 gallon bucket producing trees, but the heat killed the small reservoir. so it led me to the set up i use now.


i needed to get the reservoir out of the grow room. so i moved it behind the wall. in this room is a window i use to suck in cold winter air to chill the reservoir. (AC in the summer) i also use a blower in this room to push air into the grow room. in the reservoir is 4 air stones ran by 2 air pumps. there is also a pump that feeds the water through the wall to the tube.



the tube is a 6" pvc pipe 4.5 ft long. it is capped on both ends. one on cap there are two holes. one is for the spray line. this line is laser drilled for the correct spray and no clogging. it is attached to the pump behind the wall with a hose. there is also a hole drilled 3" up in the same cap for a drain that feed back to the reservoir behind the wall. this make a 2nd reservoir in the tube about 3" high. there is 2 airstone ran by on pump.



this set up has never failed me. yes pumps have burned up. timers stoped working, but with the 3" reservoir in the tube it buys lots of time.

everybody says thats way to much work and money. with out the lights i could build this again for $100 if that.

this is 2 clones vegged for about 3 weeks day 25 flower if i remember right.

 

[1982grower]

never had a res temp prob. but nice setup man.

 

[yelodrvr]

everybody tells me that. thats been my problem the whole time. root rot, stunted growth.

i think my problem is after seeing the aero cloner in the hydro shop. i was stuck on aero. IMO that is the best and most efficient ways to go. but it all leads back to that fucking pump being in the water. so the pump along with the 1000w HPS fucks me. see i spent all the money i wanted to spend on the lights. i was ignorant and ignored the ventilation. so i am stuck with my sanford and son ventilation. a chiller would solve all my problems but thats $350. i am going to try this homemade chiller out when the heat hits here soon. i dont get why i am the only problem with reservoir temps.

 

[Big P]

whats the temp in the room with the light on? most likly way way hi if your res getting warm

 

[yelodrvr]

whats the temp in the room with the light on? most likly way way hi if your res getting warm

i mostly was able to keep the temps around 75 in the room. but like i said that pump being in a 5 gallon bucket or in a 15 gallon tote would bring the water temps up to 80f+. i would shove frozen water bottles in the res, that work for a while.i would use refrigerated water but that would heat up in a day. the plants would just stop growing, the roots would turn brown.

the new system stays 65f-72f. and it has a 1596 gph pump. the 2 plants showed before out grew the space. and when i killed them the roots had filled the 4.5 ft tube.

when the heat hits i be in trouble again. but after seeing the advantages of aero i will probably just fix the ventilation and by a AC unit before i change from aero.

 

[Big P]

i mostly was able to keep the temps around 75 in the room. but like i said that pump being in a 5 gallon bucket or in a 15 gallon tote would bring the water temps up to 80f+. i would shove frozen water bottles in the res, that work for a while.i would use refrigerated water but that would heat up in a day. the plants would just stop growing, the roots would turn brown.

the new system stays 65f-72f. and it has a 1596 gph pump. the 2 plants showed before out grew the space. and when i killed them the roots had filled the 4.5 ft tube.

when the heat hits i be in trouble again. but after seeing the advantages of aero i will probably just fix the ventilation and by a AC unit before i change from aero.

damn man why is the pump so large? seems you would be 10 times better off doin DWC

 

[ste147]

sorry to sound like a big newbie but why is a cool resovoir important??? im learning so much in the space of a short time!!!!!

 

[Big P]

sorry to sound like a big newbie but why is a cool resovoir important??? im learning so much in the space of a short time!!!!!

its not that you want to cool it, you just dont want to let it get too hot.

you can look up the optimal temps, ive never had an issue

 

[yelodrvr]

damn man why is the pump so large? seems you would be 10 times better off doin DWC

because i am a idiot. when i built it i used the 396 gph pump out of the cloner, it did not have a very good spray pattern. the only other pump the hydro store had was one around 600 gph and the big one. when i started it for the first time it blew the hose off and i had this stream of water that hit the ceiling. it scared the shit out of me.

but yea it should have been a lot smaller. i dont know the sizes, but somewhere arounf 600 gph would work. i had to use a long hose to keep the head pressure down to avoid burning up the pump.

i am a sprinkler fitter by trade. so the pumps and spray assembly is what i do all day, just on a much larger scale.

as far as better off with DWC. i really dont think so. if you want to see the grow that inspired my set up. search Earls shuttle grow. i think he is here at this site. if not hes is all over the other forums out there. aero is the shit man, and untill you give it a shot you will never know what i am talking about. IMO. just take cloning for example, i can root a clone in 3 days in my cloner. with other methods i could not get a clone to root for atleast 10 days.
day 1

day 5


day 20

 

[ste147]

Yelo, what cycle do u put ur sprays on to cover your roots if you know what i mean? io heard 1 minute on, 5 minutes off????

can you get a timer to work like that?

 

[1982grower]

sounds complicated. but people like them. i have to admit i'm not into any work so i stick with dwc. good luck with whatever you choose. nice clone pics to man. with me clones sometimes take 2 weeks and sometimes a couple days. dont know why. seeya

 

[ste147]

build it and they will grow.

dont waste your money on the commercial set ups.
if your build goes anything like mine, you will screw up and have to start over or buy a bunch of parts you wont need, but in the end you will still spend fractions of what you pay for the out of box set up.

a tute on a aero system i built. i do everything in this set up. clone/seeds, veg, even flowered in it once.
http://www.marijuanagrowing.eu/cloner-by-yelodrvr-t31484.html
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View attachment 352094 clone day 20 from cut in this system.

at one point i had this set up in 5 gallon bucket producing trees, but the heat killed the small reservoir. so it led me to the set up i use now.
View attachment 352071View attachment 352074

i needed to get the reservoir out of the grow room. so i moved it behind the wall. in this room is a window i use to suck in cold winter air to chill the reservoir. (AC in the summer) i also use a blower in this room to push air into the grow room. in the reservoir is 4 air stones ran by 2 air pumps. there is also a pump that feeds the water through the wall to the tube.
View attachment 352096View attachment 352100


the tube is a 6" pvc pipe 4.5 ft long. it is capped on both ends. one on cap there are two holes. one is for the spray line. this line is laser drilled for the correct spray and no clogging. it is attached to the pump behind the wall with a hose. there is also a hole drilled 3" up in the same cap for a drain that feed back to the reservoir behind the wall. this make a 2nd reservoir in the tube about 3" high. there is 2 airstone ran by on pump.

View attachment 352101View attachment 352095

this set up has never failed me. yes pumps have burned up. timers stoped working, but with the 3" reservoir in the tube it buys lots of time.

everybody says thats way to much work and money. with out the lights i could build this again for $100 if that.

this is 2 clones vegged for about 3 weeks day 25 flower if i remember right.
View attachment 352093

That PVC pipe uve done looks amazing, is that what you use now???? do you have any specs on how i can make something like that??? where does the water run off to thou once been sprayed?????

 

[nexcare]

I would avoid aeroponics, like some people have suggested. Aeroponics is for advanced growers and people with tons of time. Your best best is Ebb and Flow!

 

[1982grower]

we just said dwc because ebb and flow is great for larger systems with multi levels like heaths. but def ebb and flow is kinda the same thing. i think the drip and sprayer guys just want something to waste time. go with dwc or ebb and flow. almost the same thing.

 

[grandpabear3]

sorry to sound like a big newbie but why is a cool resovoir important??? im learning so much in the space of a short time!!!!!

res temp should be at 68F any higher and the dizolved oxygen content of the water drops like a rock and the warm waters invite all sorts of pathogens into your op.

Yelo, what cycle do u put ur sprays on to cover your roots if you know what i mean? io heard 1 minute on, 5 minutes off????

can you get a timer to work like that?

dont mean to butt in....yes you can, it's called a repeat cycle timer, for around 75-100 bucks and 1 on and 4-5 off is the right recipe.

we just said dwc because ebb and flow is great for larger systems with multi levels like heaths. but def ebb and flow is kinda the same thing. i think the drip and sprayer guys just want something to waste time. go with dwc or ebb and flow. almost the same thing.

hey 1982.....howzit? i love dwc, dont do it anymore but it is my favorite. i like to refer everyone to this site http://www.simplyhydroponics.com/system.htm

for a really good animated example of all the system types. hope someone enjoys it or needs it. toodles

now back to your regularly scheduled program.

 

[yelodrvr]

edit quoted wrong post

I would avoid aeroponics, like some people have suggested. Aeroponics is for advanced growers and people with tons of time. Your best best is Ebb and Flow!

yea i totally agree with you man. i say give DWC a shot. then work your way up. i would not call aero advance, rather simple in concept.

you want to see advance check out aquaphonics. the guy at the hydro store had a little set up of tobacco growing in one of those systems. it was crazy. hardly any nutes or additives. the fish took care of the plants and the plants took care of the fish.

 

[yelodrvr]

hey ste147 looks like i hijacked your thread man, i apologize. at least there is some good info and dialog flowing here. bugsrnme sounds like he has done a few aero or hydro grows.

bugsrnme are you areo? if so do you run a repeat cycle timer? i always wondered what advantages it would be. i run 24/7 because i could not find a timer localy, thats also why i went overboard on the aeration in the reservoir's.

cool site also man.

 

[grandpabear3]

bugsrnme sounds like he has done a few aero or hydro grows.

that would be correct

bugsrnme are you areo?

my 2 cloners and 1 veg station i made are but the veg doesnt get used anymore, however the cloners are doing fine.

if so do you run a repeat cycle timer?

yes i do

i always wondered what advantages it would be. i run 24/7 because i could not find a timer localy, thats also why i went overboard on the aeration in the reservoir's.

mine simply would not root on 24/7 for some reason, but when i got that damn timer.......magic. and you can never have too many bubbles.
cool site also man.

i forgot it was a site, i just use that page to reference people to. kinda comprehensive for the newbs.

 

[yelodrvr]

That PVC pipe uve done looks amazing, is that what you use now???? do you have any specs on how i can make something like that??? where does the water run off to thou once been sprayed?????

thanks man.

yes this is what i use now. along with the cloner, i root clones and veg in the cloner then move them to flower in tube. have 4 seeds from nirvana's mix pack going now, and one plant in flower from same pack. white widow and wonder woman arrived last week.

as far as specs. it would depend on your room and lights. i can only grow 5 plants where i am with out committing a felony and possiable forfeiture.

i cut the pipe for 6 sites, but really only need 3 for the set up i want to achieve in the end.

as far as whats in the pipe. i guess you could think of the pipe as a DWC in a way. the drain is up 3 inches on the cap. so it creates and reservoir in the pipe. there are 2 airstone ran by one 60-100 gallon pump.

the hole above the drain is for the spray line. it is a replacement line for the aeroflo systems.
https://128.securededicated.com/growlight/6-aeroflo-laser-sprayline.html




the drain flows back to the reservoir through the wall, and the pump feed through the wall to the spray line. the reservoir in the tube is constantly replenished with water from main reservoir.

on the system my brother builing he is using 1/2" pvc pipe and spray heads. he is also using the square 5x5 pvc fence post. here is a pic.



everybody says take alot of time. thats not true. it took some time to set it all up, but all i do now is go to the main reservoir and take readings and add nutes or adjust ph. change reservior every week or 2 thats it. everything is on a timer. same as DWC or eb n flow. the only way it will take less time than any other system is if you buy it already built.
http://www.ecogrow.com/index.cfm/product/43/mid/13/nid/0/home.html

here a site if a little info on a like system.
http://www.howtohydroponics.com/aero_hydroponic_system.html

here a link to earls grow. his inspired mine. not that mine is anything close to his. http://www.marijuanagrowing.eu/viewtopic.php?t=29889

there is also a ebb n flow system on this site using the same set of with pvc pipe. he has amazing success with it. i will see if i can find a link.

 

[ste147]

sorry i havnt been on for a day or so, beeen sooooo busy, what can i say, thanks again people for all your help, i went to a good hydro centre yesterday where the man was sooooo helpful, basicly he told me to go away and when i have enough cash he will sit down with me and draw up a list and plan of what i need and then help me do it!!!! Cant say anymore really! I still love the aero system but i think i might have to go another way for the moment!