Doom and gloom or hope?

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
that was the change he was talking about.and you are assuming everyone is employed to get the 65 .the unofficial unemployment rate is at around 20% according to some experts.i think this is true.so welcome to the great depression.we will have a official unemployment rate of over 10% by the end of the year.congress will keep extending unemployment bennies though to try and stave off some more foreclosures .its all like a ball rolling down hill.all we can do is watch .it will end eventualy.when the ball gets to the bottom of the hill.
You know, it's simply amazing, but I think all these Yale and Harvard (Ivy League) types that Obama are surrounding himself with are the problem. They don't have a creative independent thought in their head.

Japan tried to spend itself out of a recession with deficit spending. What did it it get, stabilization at 0% GDP Growth and an export driven economy that got whacked when the US went down hill. They also ended up with 150% of their GDP in debt.

The problem in Japan was ignored, and that problem is the same problem that the United States faces when competing against South East Asia.

Price Competitiveness.

Though what's more interesting is the fact that China has been modernizing their factories and shedding jobs left and right. 1.8 Million jobs in textiles versus 250K or so here.

It's an example of progress.

Raising tariffs isn't going to help, because they get their cloth from here, and if they can't buy American cotton, wool and fiber economically then they are going to use cheaper sources.

The only thing that tariff's will accomplish will be slashing our own throats. Especially since, what everyone seems to be forgetting, is that these corporation's aren't going to be paying the tariffs. The consumers are going to be paying the tariff's in higher prices. Just because their is price competition does not mean prices are inelastic. The first company that raises prices after a tariff hike will just set off a chain reaction of companies doing the same.

The best thing that can be done for the country is to get the government the hell out of the way. Slash taxes down to 0% with or with out a plan of bringing them slowly back up to restore our competitiveness.

Tell unions that if they stand in the way of modernization of factories that they will be forcefully dissolved. Wanting to preserve jobs and seeking better benefits are one thing, but when those desires stand in the way of making sure that there are still jobs to be had then they need to be ignored.

We also need to ignore the demands of the UAW and tell Ford, GM and Chrysler that if they don't use their loans to build new, modern factories that can compete effectively with THM (Toyota, Honda & Mitsubishi) and the Germans on our own soil then they aren't getting any more.

It's completely retarded to expect the taxpayers of the United States to subsidize unions if it means that we are going to be continuously on the hook covering them for their stupidity.

We also need to withdraw from WTO, GATT, NAFTA, CAFTA, and the whole slew of treaties that restrict our sovereignty, and our ability to craft our own regulations and subsidize our own industries.

Business is War, and the sooner the United States remembers this, the better off we will be.
 

dragonbud

Well-Known Member
I'll tell you what I'm doing. I'm pulling up Google Earth and I will find the most extravagant house in California, probably owned by a former CEO. Then after the government collapses, I'll wait for that crazy bald head to come out and I'll put a bullet right between his (or her) eyes. Then I'll move in and see what's in the fridge. I'll drink his fancy scotch and then I'll go through the food pantry. I'll take his food supply and fill up the guys Porsche Cayanne and head on down to the homeless shelter. Robin hood all the way. And to answer your question, it will be that bad.
 

max420thc

Well-Known Member
You know, it's simply amazing, but I think all these Yale and Harvard (Ivy League) types that Obama are surrounding himself with are the problem. They don't have a creative independent thought in their head.

Japan tried to spend itself out of a recession with deficit spending. What did it it get, stabilization at 0% GDP Growth and an export driven economy that got whacked when the US went down hill. They also ended up with 150% of their GDP in debt.

The problem in Japan was ignored, and that problem is the same problem that the United States faces when competing against South East Asia.

Price Competitiveness.

Though what's more interesting is the fact that China has been modernizing their factories and shedding jobs left and right. 1.8 Million jobs in textiles versus 250K or so here.

It's an example of progress.

Raising tariffs isn't going to help, because they get their cloth from here, and if they can't buy American cotton, wool and fiber economically then they are going to use cheaper sources.

The only thing that tariff's will accomplish will be slashing our own throats. Especially since, what everyone seems to be forgetting, is that these corporation's aren't going to be paying the tariffs. The consumers are going to be paying the tariff's in higher prices. Just because their is price competition does not mean prices are inelastic. The first company that raises prices after a tariff hike will just set off a chain reaction of companies doing the same.

The best thing that can be done for the country is to get the government the hell out of the way. Slash taxes down to 0% with or with out a plan of bringing them slowly back up to restore our competitiveness.

Tell unions that if they stand in the way of modernization of factories that they will be forcefully dissolved. Wanting to preserve jobs and seeking better benefits are one thing, but when those desires stand in the way of making sure that there are still jobs to be had then they need to be ignored.

We also need to ignore the demands of the UAW and tell Ford, GM and Chrysler that if they don't use their loans to build new, modern factories that can compete effectively with THM (Toyota, Honda & Mitsubishi) and the Germans on our own soil then they aren't getting any more.

It's completely retarded to expect the taxpayers of the United States to subsidize unions if it means that we are going to be continuously on the hook covering them for their stupidity.

We also need to withdraw from WTO, GATT, NAFTA, CAFTA, and the whole slew of treaties that restrict our sovereignty, and our ability to craft our own regulations and subsidize our own industries.

Business is War, and the sooner the United States remembers this, the better off we will be.
the largest diff between us now and japen then.japen was a creditor nation when this started.the USA is the largest debtor nation in the world.it is going to be ten times worse here than in japan.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
the largest diff between us now and japen then.japen was a creditor nation when this started.the USA is the largest debtor nation in the world.it is going to be ten times worse here than in japan.
Yeah, but we still have about the same distance to go ($8 Trillion or so) before we hit 150% of our GDP in debt.
 

dragonbud

Well-Known Member
How's the trickle down theory working for you Republicans. Did you get any money from AIG? I wonder how much money was handed out to Iraq contractors, they called them million dollar footballs. CEO's should not make a thousand times more than the worker bee. Obama has his hands full because George was the biggest idiot president of all time. Greedy bastards will sink our economy and unless your a CEO or a banker, you will not profit from this mess. Why is it socialized medicine if all Americans have access to health care? but not socialized medicine when a congressman has free healthcare.
Obama having a good time
 

max420thc

Well-Known Member
Yeah, but we still have about the same distance to go ($8 Trillion or so) before we hit 150% of our GDP in debt.
between obama and the federal reserve in the last month have spent 10 trillion. of course they are only telling you about what is on the books.not what the fed is spending we own interest on.
the hildabeast is in china BEGGING FOR MONEY..lol..
she has learned alot of humility from being broke.the chinese are STOPING they are not going to buy our debt anymore.that means the treasury is going to loan the US money as debt.so they are going to junk our currency .unless the hilda beast can give a billion really good blow jobs .i think she is going to have a hard time convincing the chinese to invest into a bankrupt system.they know they are not going to get their investment's back.
i think the chinese make pretty good capitalists :hump:
 

ResistanceIsFertile

Well-Known Member
Things will likely have to get much worse, before they can get better. As long as we ignore reality and focus on make-believe games like nations (imaginary lines on maps) currency (miniature presidential portraits that only work if people believe in them, like Tinkerbell) and monotheism (angry Middle Eastern ghosts in the sky, including the Easter Zombie) the real world will suffer.
All of our means of pacification are still in place, video games, internet, tv, sports, celebrity news, etc...and as long as they still work, people will only ever get so angry.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
between obama and the federal reserve in the last month have spent 10 trillion. of course they are only telling you about what is on the books.not what the fed is spending we own interest on.
the hildabeast is in china BEGGING FOR MONEY..lol..
she has learned alot of humility from being broke.the chinese are STOPING they are not going to buy our debt anymore.that means the treasury is going to loan the US money as debt.so they are going to junk our currency .unless the hilda beast can give a billion really good blow jobs .i think she is going to have a hard time convincing the chinese to invest into a bankrupt system.they know they are not going to get their investment's back.
i think the chinese make pretty good capitalists :hump:
Better than we do, at any rate. They put their crazed liberals in prison.
 

max420thc

Well-Known Member
yea.not a bad idea.we could sell their body parts off too.
i knew they had some sort of worth of value to society.
body parts.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
That makes me wonder if in Iran, when they stone a woman to death for being raped...do they harvest the organs after? I mean does she carry a stoning organ donor card or what?


out. :blsmoke:
 

CrackerJax

New Member
I think that's why they aim for her head Miss.


Honestly, you're on vacation in Iran (:lol:) soaking up the fresh air along a country bazaar and you come upon a stoning. You mean to tell me you wouldn't pick up a rock and just try it once? Most people say they will try anything once. How many chances do you get to stone a person without retribution? One of those instances you tell yourself you're going to throw it but aim high...and of course you get her smack in the noggin instead. the people erupt with pleasure at your timely "bullseye" and carry you off for hummus and tea with pine nuts (my fav). No?........



out. :blsmoke:
 

ResistanceIsFertile

Well-Known Member
I think that's why they aim for her head Miss.


Honestly, you're on vacation in Iran (:lol:) soaking up the fresh air along a country bazaar and you come upon a stoning. You mean to tell me you wouldn't pick up a rock and just try it once? Most people say they will try anything once. How many chances do you get to stone a person without retribution? One of those instances you tell yourself you're going to throw it but aim high...and of course you get her smack in the noggin instead. the people erupt with pleasure at your timely "bullseye" and carry you off for hummus and tea with pine nuts (my fav). No?........



out. :blsmoke:
Everybody loves throwing rocks. That's why riot cops wear ninja turtles suits. Nothing like see the glee in the face of a sorority girl throwing her first rock a the phalanx during a sports riot.
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
I don't see myself going on vacation in Iran. I'm thinking of Canada as an exotic vacation spot these days. Lax weed laws, we can drive it so no planes.

But yeah, I'd probably chuck a rock or two, have a few "miss throws" and hit other people.... :wink:
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Yah, I think they figured out NOT to encircle the victim completely...it leads to multiple crowd injuries... :lol:


out. :blsmoke:
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
LOL, you must have been thinking the same thing.


I notice when I turn on the news, I feel doom and gloom.

When I look in my flower closet, I feel hope.

I guess it depends what you are looking at. bongsmilie
 
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